mightyspur
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Because he died after 1 year and 1 day from his injuries so his death was not part of the charge.
Hillsborough inquests
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Spurrific
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TheChosenOne
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Ohhh, I did not know that. That's rough.
suppose I could've read the article...
Colin Andrew Sefton was the Tottenham fan who died, he was there on the day as a designated driver for his mates.
TheChosenOne
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Ohhh, I did not know that. That's rough
suppose I could've read the article...
The guy was on life support/brain dead unfortunately.
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Seems odd that we have a situation where unlawful killing has been acknowledged but feels like nobody is going to be bought to justice.
Not quite sure where they go on this now.
Not quite sure where they go on this now.
Great British establishment protecting their own. Scumbags. The judge’s behaviour has been an utter disgrace.
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What has the judge done?
How Duckenfield trial left Hillsborough families distraught again
Victims’ relatives again left to face claims that Liverpool fans contributed to tragedy at 1989 FA Cup semi-final
www.theguardian.com
Unbelievable behaviour
Pellshek
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Correct decision today. A conviction would've been revenge, not justice. Holding one man responsible for decades of mistakes by countless people - legislators, architects, safety officers, higher police command, local authorities, football clubs - would've been a travesty; it would've made an ass of the law.
The loss is unimaginable, and I still find myself getting upset by the whole thing, even today. Same with Heysel. If you're old enough to remember those days, they really were a fucking nightmare.
The loss is unimaginable, and I still find myself getting upset by the whole thing, even today. Same with Heysel. If you're old enough to remember those days, they really were a fucking nightmare.
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How Duckenfield trial left Hillsborough families distraught again
Victims’ relatives again left to face claims that Liverpool fans contributed to tragedy at 1989 FA Cup semi-final
Unbelievable behaviour
That is an incredibly jaundiced article to be fair.
Perhaps, rightly so? Perhaps. Look at what the judge said and how he behaved. Ridiculous. His summing up was ridiculous.
I don’t agree that he should carry the can for 95 deaths, single handedly. So much contributed to that day. I do believe he should serve time for his role and for the lies he told. I also believe those that put him in charge should be held to account too.
It’s a very emotive subject of course. It feels like those families are still being put through the wringer 30 years on. The establishment has a hideously dark side when the surface is scratched. Hillsborough is a great example.
If this was an Establishment thing they would have thrown Him to the wolves without a moments thought. Unfortunately it is just an unhappy outcome to a case which was only brought to placate the relatives and friends of those that died.
Possibly the most insensitive post I have ever seen on here.
Recycling long exposed media and police myths.
Your sickness of the event is hardly comparable to the sickness of the Hillsborough families
and you would have been better to have kept your opinion to yourself.
96 football fans killed in a crush, including many youngsters, directly attributable to an inexperienced match commander
who lied to cover up his own complicity.
Shame on you.
I haven't read the whole thread so I might have missed your apology.
Friends who were there have never quite recovered from the scenes they witnessed
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Spurger King
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That was posted 3.5 years ago.
My opinion has softened to some extent, but spare me the moral outrage, especially when delivered in your weird and awful attempts at poetic composition.
Poor sentence-structure isn’t poetry.
Sorry if.
Saying some fans.
Share some of the burden.
Of.
Responsibility.
stonecolddeanaustin
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FFS, all of the allegations of the fans behaviour having any impact have been put to bed. Stop repeating these myths.
Five Hillsborough myths dispelled by inquests jury
The alleged behaviour of fans lay at the heart of the myths rejected by the Hillsborough inquests. How were they perpetuated?
www.bbc.co.uk
The exact same thing nearly happened to spurs eight years earlier. Would you be saying the same about us if it did? How they never learnt any lessons from that is beyond me and someone really should've gone down for it.
And Jimmy can write however the fuck he wants.
aliyid
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To be fair to SK he’s not blaming the legitimate ticket holders who died but there should be recognition that there were a hell of a lot of fans without tickets who forced their way into the ground causing the crush.
This was a common thing at the time as they didn’t have anywhere near the same level of policing or H&S regulations as we do now. You just need to look back at some of the coverage and it’s shocking the risks some fans would take to get in without a ticket.
As an example 3 years earlier at Wembley
it was a tragedy and should never have happened but there’s no way the blame can or should be placed solely on his head as there were far too many factors involved
This was a common thing at the time as they didn’t have anywhere near the same level of policing or H&S regulations as we do now. You just need to look back at some of the coverage and it’s shocking the risks some fans would take to get in without a ticket.
As an example 3 years earlier at Wembley
it was a tragedy and should never have happened but there’s no way the blame can or should be placed solely on his head as there were far too many factors involved
dontcallme
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Five Hillsborough myths dispelled by inquests jury
The alleged behaviour of fans lay at the heart of the myths rejected by the Hillsborough inquests. How were they perpetuated?
www.bbc.co.uk
The inquest found differently. The inquest found a small number of fans got in without tickets but the crushing was caused by police opening one gate so all fans went through one gate instead of being spread out.
That was the cause of the deaths. The amount of fans with tickets going through one gate was enough to cause the incident.
Even the latest trial admits the cause of death to be due to police negligence but not solely at the feet of Duckenfield. So why are we continuing the narrative that the fans were to blame?
aliyid
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This is something I’ve never quite understood about the (many) inquests. They all seem to focus on not enough gates or single gates being opened.Five Hillsborough myths dispelled by inquests jury
The alleged behaviour of fans lay at the heart of the myths rejected by the Hillsborough inquests. How were they perpetuated?www.bbc.co.uk
The inquest found differently. The inquest found a small number of fans got in without tickets but the crushing was caused by police opening one gate so all fans went through one gate instead of being spread out.
That was the cause of the deaths. The amount of fans with tickets going through one gate was enough to cause the incident.
Even the latest trial admits the cause of death to be due to police negligence but not solely at the feet of Duckenfield. So why are we continuing the narrative that the fans were to blame?
The crush that caused the disaster was inside the ground and not at the gates so genuine question (not fishing for bites):
- Did they sell far too many tickets
or - Did everybody go into one area leaving other parts of the ground empty
dontcallme
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The point was that people went through into one section. People buying tickets simply had standing tickets so were not for one specific area.
So with only one gate open a huge amount of fans went into one section. This eventually resulted in too many fans in one section and people at the front getting crushed into the gates.
It was not a sign that too many fans were going into the ground full stop. Just that too high a proportion were going into one section but this is where the police were putting them.
wakefieldyid
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As is so often the case, the bigger issue was the shameful attempts by SY Police and Duckenfield to cover their tracks at the original Hillsborough enquiry. This specific court case was all about Duckenfield's perceived criminal responsible for the unlawful deaths, rather than his deceit and obfuscation at the original Hillsborough enquiry. He is clearly a deeply loathesome individual, but that isn't what this court case was addressing.
