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Juande will, he just hasn't had the oppurtunity yet. Roll on January.
Jenas vs Mackay
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Juande will, he just hasn't had the oppurtunity yet. Roll on January.
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It is thanks to JJ and Zok that we are in Europe in the first place. They were the main pairing for most of last season.
SpurSince57
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No, he's not, but by the same token he's not as good as he could, and should, be. He has all the attributes to be a top-drawer midfielder, but something's missing. Self-belief, maybe? You just don't get the sense that he is going to step up and really boss the midfield, and someone who will do that is what we need. Hopefully, Ramos will succeed in pulling that out of him.
yiddotilidie
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Great point. So many people on here dont understand the game or have never played the game. JJ does the bits and pieces role and the non-fancy stuff, so those that dont understand dont get how improtant he has been to us.
Zokora is supposed to be our hard man and defensive midfielder, so perhaps compare Mackay to him.
joey55
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But we averaged more points when they weren't playing than when they were. When Zokora didn't feature, we didn't lose a single game last season.
worcestersauce
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Caan't go along with your sentiment SS57
Using Roberts to make the point is totally unjustfied.
Mentioning Roberts in the same sentence as Dave Mackay is an insult.
Dave Mackay didn't kick people 6 feet up in the air he was hard as nails so when he tackled them they stayed tackled but he was not a thug.
pablo73
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that's a fair point, I think it is largely a generation thing. I still don't think it should be too much to ask that every player who pulls on a Tottenham shirt gives it their absolute all, and I just don't think you can say that for a lot of our players at the moment, be it Jenas, Chimbonda, Berbatov or whoever.
orkneyspur
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I blame it all their names.
After all, in the days when we used to win things, we had Dave's and Bill's and Bobby's and Jimmy's in the team.
Good solid, working class names, with grit.
Now it's full of Jermain(e)'s, Aaron's and Darren's. Should all be in media study groups or on big brother, or lost in the fcuking jungle or something.
Bloody kids of today, no get up and go in any of 'em. :evil:
After all, in the days when we used to win things, we had Dave's and Bill's and Bobby's and Jimmy's in the team.
Good solid, working class names, with grit.
Now it's full of Jermain(e)'s, Aaron's and Darren's. Should all be in media study groups or on big brother, or lost in the fcuking jungle or something.
Bloody kids of today, no get up and go in any of 'em. :evil:
miles_64
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I find it odd how their are two sides who claim that they watch JJ's performances but come up with polar arguments. One group says his work rate is great while the other completely denies that he has any use. I deliberately watch JJ's and Zokora's performances because I believe that this is where the team's problems lie and I feel that both are pretty useless! JJ CAN run but often his application is lacking; I can't forget his performance against Newcastle, especially the moment when Zokora won the ball for a counter attack and JJ stood 2 yards away from him, not moving (he also passed the ball into touch 3 times that night - despite the lack of pressure on him). As for Zokora, Jol said it to one of our fellow SC members at the puma kit launch: he can't pass, he can't tackle and he can't shoot. Spot on, especially the passing bit. Bring in Tainio and Steed, both of whom can tackle.
Steed is playing so well at the moment, I hope everyone appreciates his efforts.
Steed is playing so well at the moment, I hope everyone appreciates his efforts.
joey55
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Who did he say this to?
WhiteHart4Ever
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read my mind. jenas at his best for Spurs (& for N'castle) is a brilliant footballer, but we havnt seen much of that lately, have we? Hopefullt some good coaching can release his tremendous pontential...
At the moment, I would actually fancy the idea of Steed playing with some real midfield general aside/behind him, and Bale on the left hand side. Dont think jenas is doing much to deserve his place at the moment...
After what I've seen of the two, Adel would be a more useful replacement than Boateng - who looked uninterested an slow yesterday. But obviously Boateng is rated higher, possibly cause of his psychical presence - he could scare the shit out of Vinnie Jones, real gansta'style.... But there must be some reason for Taarabt, despite his obvious talents, not getting a go in the team. team spirit, work rate and maturity, perhaps? think he'll really shine some day, though...
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onthetwo
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You're bloody right....its so obvious when you think about it.
sparx100
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:bang::bang::bang: I just dont understand why people do not accept that Jenas is average at best. Our entire midfield (bar Bale, Steed and Lennon (sometimes)) is distinctively average. Lets call a spade a spade and stop hoping that someone who was promising about 5 years ago will ever realise his potential. Jenas should dictate games, but he goes hiding. Does my head in. Our midfield is simply not good enough and is the reason we are where we are.
AngerManagement
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I would say it is not a lack of self-belief but a lack of desire and total determination.
Yeah , Prince really let himself go around the time he crashed that Mercedes .
phil
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No, it's despite JJ and Zokora that we are in Europe.
I think that JJ will improve as a player under Ramos.
I don't see issues with JJ's application, I see it more in his decision making and sometimes in his ability to deliver. But more than anything I have seen issues in his partners that have really affected his game.
He is still the only CM we have who has the desire and the know how to get beyond our front 2 and I don't think that this should be forgotten.
I don't see issues with JJ's application, I see it more in his decision making and sometimes in his ability to deliver. But more than anything I have seen issues in his partners that have really affected his game.
He is still the only CM we have who has the desire and the know how to get beyond our front 2 and I don't think that this should be forgotten.
phil
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I am old enough to have seen Mackay in his prime and he is my favourite player of all time. The comparison with Jenas, however, is not really fair.
The game has changed a lot since the 60s. Dave Mackay (or Chopper Harris or Norman Hunter) would not get through a match in the modern game without a card. Tackles from behind and shoulder-barging keepers were still legal in the 60s. Sendings off for foul play was almost unheard off. Today's game is also a lot faster and whatever you think of Jenas, he is a wonderful athlete.
I have never rated Jenas (I was against buying him in the first place) but the comparison with the great Dave is not fair.
The game has changed a lot since the 60s. Dave Mackay (or Chopper Harris or Norman Hunter) would not get through a match in the modern game without a card. Tackles from behind and shoulder-barging keepers were still legal in the 60s. Sendings off for foul play was almost unheard off. Today's game is also a lot faster and whatever you think of Jenas, he is a wonderful athlete.
I have never rated Jenas (I was against buying him in the first place) but the comparison with the great Dave is not fair.
