Liverpool are they better than us?

[KingKay]

 

[Shadydan]

With investment in the summer and growing evidence of Klopps influence on their game plan, they could be a real threat next year. And could arguably become better than us next season. That just isn't known. But its silly and naive to scoff at the suggestion that we will have more challengers next year, including Liverpool.

They have more to do than us, we have a settled team with another year's experience which will require minor tweaks, they still have question marks if they can keep their best striker fit and problems in their defence. Klopp will have to strengthen the weak areas whilst the players who he gets in need to settle and at the same time get rid of the deadwood.

No-one is suggesting that they will not challenge us, they probably will and that's fine however people are scoffing at the suggestion that Liverpool are better than us at the moment, they aren't and seemingly think they can overtake us at the drop of a hat, I don't see it.

I'm looking at our team more than our rivals and it looks to me that we have the highest potential out of all them at the moment.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

No

 

[SpartanSpur]

It's funny, because what I have been seeing all over is oppos fans gloating before the event because they still haven't grasped what is going on with our youth set-up, and still simply believe Poch will leave and we will sell anyone that the very top tier clubs want, this summer, and become a mid-table team in time for next season. And that is still, of course, showing the ignorance of not appreciating that we have been 5th or 4th for the best part of the last decade, and not even sixth. Should we be worried by Liverpool? No. And that is what is funny...our rivals should be fearing us right now, and, for the most part, they are still too complacent to realise that. I am looking forward to next season because I can only see us improving and that should wipe the smiles off a lot of smug faces.

This is by far the most exciting thing going forward, but is also uncharted territory for us and therefore you can't really blame people for thinking otherwise. Personally I think people are right to consider Liverpool a big threat, because if they get it right they will be. That said we are really on to something here and if we keep Poch and all the key players and add a couple (Witsel and Batshauyi in the news sound perfect) we should be looking forward rather than back, regardless of what the rest of the league are up to. Assuming we avoid full meltdown and tie up CL things are looking very bright...

 

[Mullers]

Liverpool just showed us exactly how to play against Dortmund.

They also played very well against us at Anfield at the weekend.

Klopp seems to be really getting them in a good shape and he hasn't even bought any players yet!

Is Klopp a better manager than Potch or does he just know how to play against his old team and are they a better team than us tactically under Klopp?

Discuss...

I was just getting ready to ask your opinion on the game, well you already know I said Liverpool would beat them over the two legs, I dont think Dortmund are as good as people made them out to be, we just threw the game with the selection and I was disappointed we did that. I dont think there is much to choose between the two sides but we are better because we are more consistant.

 

[Mullers]

Over the season they've not been better but right now I'd say they're looking worryingly good for the future. Them under Klopp + Man.City under Pep next year, going to be very tough for us.

I am not worried about Pep, premier league is a much, much different proposition to the la liga or the German League, his rep might be in pieces before his time in the PL is up.

 

[SugarRay]

It's not Pep I am worried about, it's a fully fit Kevin De Bruyne! I think he will go on to become the best player in the league.

Liverpool? Of course they are a massive threat. Big club with lots of pulling power and a top class coach. Anyone saying different is saying it out of hope more than anything imo.

If we keep hold of Poch and ad a couple of quality signings then I am very confident we will not only maintain but improve next term.

Ever so slightly worried about Poch though. Effing United

 

[Ionman34]

They are where we were at this point in MP's first season. Able to match the best sides in one off games, but unable to perform consistently even against weaker teams. Everyone knows Klopp is a good manager but his squad is a long way from what he'd like, and he faces a Summer of struggling to move over paid players on, and trying to pull his targets in without CL and possibly without European competition at all. Then he has to settle a squad full of changes, and hope they all adapt to the Prem. Same with Pep this season at least. I think we are in very good shape for next season having a very settled young and improving squad, and we are actually along with the Scum the only top side who are in this fortunate position.

Absofuckinglutely. Klopp appears to be getting the best out of Lovren, who was good against us. His other CB's range from ordinary to poor so he has his work cut out just to get them anywhere near on a par with us. They're weak at fullback imo as Moreno is pretty ordinary. Clyne is decent and will get back to his best under Klopp. Flanagan the jury is out on for me, but after that they are weaker than us there even with Can, who is erratic. In midfield they have an ageing Lucas, who I think is again ordinary and not suited to the press, whilst Henderson blows hot and cold. He's not really a DM and is inferior to Alli as an attacking mf player too. Coutinho and Firminho look the real deal and they have been fairly reliant on them to produce this season.
Up front, they have real quality in Sturridge, but he's been unreliable over a full season for them, whilst Benteke is just pants. Even at Villa he would disappear for more than a few games and, when he's not scoring, is detrimental to the team. Origi has looked really ordinary in the limited times I've seen him whilst Lallana, as skilled as he is, just doesn't impose himself on games at all.

Klopp has a huge amount of work ahead of him to improve this team significantly. They will be in transition, needing quite a few buys of sufficient quality to compete just for top 4. This at a time when City, Chelsea, Utd and even the goons will be looking to upgrade in similar areas. Liverpool don't appear to have a pool of young prospects, of sufficient quality, to advance to 1st team status and achieve what they expect, so they're in between a rock and a hard place as I see it. Their lack of CL will also be a factor if they're challenging for quality additions and, as you say, he'll be trying to offload a lot of journeymen too. The likelihood is that 'pool will be taking some hard financial hits with losses on these players whilst struggling to get ideal replacements. Not to mention that any replacements will still need to bed in.

Mind you, I thought spam would struggle to avoid relegation this year, after their European debacle, so what do I know?

 

[Danfunkel]

No, they just wanted the win more than we did. They weren't in second and well inside the top 4 like us at the time.

 

[Rod101]

I think that Liverpool could easily become a huge threat next year. Klopp is a great coach, they have a huge history, more money than Spurs and some top quality players already. But, they have to get it right and they haven't really done that over the last few years and are nowhere as consistent as we are in their league positions. Perhaps Klopp will be the difference.

I think the other thing to bear in mind is that they face the issue of holding on to their best players. Coutinho could easily become a target for Barca or Madrid and perhaps that as he's Brazilian, he has less affinity with the club and country to keep him there. Sturridge has huge injury problems, so there's no guarantee that he'll be able to replicate his previous performances. I think Emre Can will be superb for them in the coming years. But essentially they face the same issue as us in breaking into regular CL season after season.

 

[yido_number1]

Liverpool look like us last year. Klopp knows what he is doing and they will improve greatly next year. On the flip side Poch is delivering a consistent improvement in the squad and mentality and I think we will also be better next year.

Question is what will Conte do at Chavski, Pep do at City, Jose do at UTD and who ever else comes to the party like Leicester have. The thing in our favour is our squad are young and should naturally improve. Chavski, City Arse are fairly mature in comparison.

Oh and Wet Spam shouldn't be ruled out. If they beat Arse on the weekend and start pushing for Champs league they could be a real rival next year.

 

[Shadydan]

It's not Pep I am worried about, it's a fully fit Kevin De Bruyne! I think he will go on to become the best player in the league.

Liverpool? Of course they are a massive threat. Big club with lots of pulling power and a top class coach. Anyone saying different is saying it out of hope more than anything imo.

If we keep hold of Poch and ad a couple of quality signings then I am very confident we will not only maintain but improve next term.

Ever so slightly worried about Poch though. Effing United

You look at other players and rightly so there is natural cause for concern however we have 3 possibly 4 potential world class players in our ranks in Kane, Alli Dier and Alderweireld not to mention Eriksen who I think will get there or there abouts, none of these players are injury prone and they represent the spine of the team, not to mention an established world class goalie as well.

I just think as fans we tend to look past what we have and envy at other teams too much when in truth we are the ones that everyone should now be looking at, everything is in place at Spurs for us to seriously dominate if we manage to keep the players here and the manager.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

IMHO, both teams are about on par right now. We prloritised to challenge the league title, while pool going hard to win the Europa and qualify for UCL. I mentioned before that our First XI is on par with Dortmund's.

 

[dontcallme]

IMHO, both teams are about on par right now. We prloritised to challenge the league title, while pool going hard to win the Europa and qualify for UCL. I mentioned before that our First XI is on par with Dortmund's.

I don't see how you have come to that conclusion.

I don't think Pool's league position has been affected by their EL campaign anymore than ours has.

We started in a strong way and improved throughout the season. Liverpool are only recently starting to show any improvement under Klopp. Hence we are 17 points ahead of them.

Next season might be a different story but we've certainly been better than them this season.

 

[kaz Hirai]

IMHO, both teams are about on par right now. We prloritised to challenge the league title, while pool going hard to win the Europa and qualify for UCL. I mentioned before that our First XI is on par with Dortmund's.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

I don't see how you have come to that conclusion.

I don't think Pool's league position has been affected by their EL campaign anymore than ours has.

We started in a strong way and improved throughout the season. Liverpool are only recently starting to show any improvement under Klopp. Hence we are 17 points ahead of them.

Next season might be a different story but we've certainly been better than them this season.

"IMHO, both teams are about on par right now. We prloritised to challenge the league title, while pool going hard to win the Europa and qualify for UCL. I mentioned before that our First XI is on par with Dortmund's."

Yes agree, this season we are better.

 

[dontcallme]

"IMHO, both teams are about on par right now. We prloritised to challenge the league title, while pool going hard to win the Europa and qualify for UCL. I mentioned before that our First XI is on par with Dortmund's."

Yes agree, this season we are better.

Right now I don't think they have improved sufficiently to be on par with us. Our form is better and we were the better team at their ground.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

Right now I don't think they have improved sufficiently to be on par with us. Our form is better and we were the better team at their ground.

ok

 

[HildoSpur]

Liverpool have improved a little bit but are still largely kinda rubbish and horribly inconsistent - we are a much better team at the moment imo. Klopp's record so far is comparable to Rodgers before he was sacked (rubbish) They will be better next year (may be floating around top 6) but I do not think they will be realistic title challengers until the year after next at least. The OP is totally ignoring the fact we played our reserves against Dortmond and Liverpool didn't.

 

[Kingellesar]

Watching Sakho defend is pretty funny stuff. Hard to believe he was the next big thing, always used to turn out great on FM.

He is Skrtel Mk 2. If I were a Liverpool fan I'd run behind the sofa everytime he got the ball anywhere near the goal, either goal.