Player watch: Danny Rose

[Dirty Ewok]

I thought Modric said he wanted to leave Spurs to go to chelsea because they are a big club, basically as I remember it what he said was just about the worst thing any Spurs player has ever said about us when trying to force a move but if you choose to forget all that fair enough.
I'm not even sure Danny Rose is trying to get a transfer this summer, what he said could just as easily be read as a warning to the club that they can't go on as they are.

I never said that what Modders or Bale or Adebayor (or whichever player you want to list) have said wasn't bad.

I was referring to this:

“As a starting 11 we have one of the best in the league, without a shadow of a doubt, but after that . . .

Maybe it was a waning, and it may be an accurate a statement (or not), but he has just called out his teammates in public.

Modirc criticised the club, i think Bale may have i know Adebayor did..they questioned the commitment of the club, of the club ownership and of the leadership. They may have called out the manager. But they didn't call out their teammates, at least not publicly.

A player being a t*** is nothing new. A player agitating for a move is something we have seen before. But through the sales we have witnessed before (and we have seen a few) it is exceedingly rare to see a player throw his teammates in front of a bus even to make a point.

Considering that our squad on the pitch has been reliant not only on their individual skill but the collective belief in each other and the strategy set out by Poch i have an issue with any player potentially upsetting the squad (top to bottom) morale in public.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

He can fuck off now. He was crap until Poch came. Get over 50 million, buy someone better and younger.

I don't know what games you've been watchinig but he's the best left back in the country the same as Walker was the best right back. We've lost one we don't want to lose another. I suppose if Ali and Dier go you will say they were shit aswell and we don't need them ?

 

[SPURSLIFE]

But why go to The Sun with it? His position gains absolutely nothing from it, except making him hated. He could just say to the club pay me more and sign better players or I'm leaving. But do it behind closed doors. What he's done is counter productive for himself and puts the club in crisis 2 days before the season. He's either incredibly badly advised, or really, truly stupid.

I think he may already have said it to Poch and possibly Levy. It's not new he said more or less the same a couple of months ago. He's right of course.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

It doesn't matter if he's right. As I said above he's just undone a lot of the team bonding work that was done in Pre-season. Does he need to name names? Do you think the players won't know who he's talking about? He also said that the club couldn't cope without Kane, a center back and Dele against one of the big teams, so he's clearly talking about Janssen, Wimmer and a few others. How do you think those players are going to feel when they go into training today?

And it's not just Tottenham fans that think it's a stupid thing to say. Gary Neville for one has said it's totally unprofessional and it's his team that will probably sign Rose.

Who's to say he's only saying what the players have already discussed amongst themselves. Do you think they don't talk to each other when training. He may even be the spoksmen for the players. Somebody had to say it and it was him.

 

[Mustard]

Out injured for 8 months and he's shooting his mouth off like this?

Disappointing to say the least.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Anyone defending him has totally lost the plot.

Yes, our transfer window has been a complete shambles and rather pathetic. But going to the Sun with it 2 days before the season starts is actively disrupting our season before it's even begun.

He's a disgrace.

 

[Colston]

He was injured half of last season, someone's been tooting his own horn on his time off.

Our best season ever, and he only played the worst half of it. He can say what he wants, sell him if we get an acceptable offer.

 

[chinaman]

The club is strangely quiet. Is the upper echelon not unanimous of what action to take?

 

[SixtyFour]

I´m not even sure his own logic stands up to scrutiny
1. I´m good enough to win major trophies and should be paid as such
2. Spurs, myself included, are not good enough to win major trophies
3. Unless we sign superstars x and y

Which boils down to, it´s actually superstars x and y that are worth the trophy-winning pay off.

 

[jurgen]

He was injured half of last season, someone's been tooting his own horn on his time off.

Our best season ever, and he only played the worst half of it. He can say what he wants, sell him if we get an acceptable offer.

And buy who? Do you really fancy us to properly replace him at this late stage? I certainly don't.

Acting like a twat is a time honoured method of getting a move and unfortunately the club has already set a precedent this summer, we will sell first XI players to close rivals, and at quite reasonable fees given the current market.

 

[double0]

Well it looks like Rose has been clearly instructed by his agent to come out with these statements. I have tough skin with all players nowadays imo if any player including Harry Kane or Alli sees fit to leave our Club to better themselves financially and or other wise I personally wish them luck...and hope Totthenham get settled the amount required and both parties move on amicably. There no point getting upset imo...I just hope players respect the club and put all into training games and club engagements.



NO PLAYER IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB.

 

[Colston]

And buy who? Do you really fancy us to properly replace him at this late stage? I certainly don't.

Acting like a twat is a time honoured method of getting a move and unfortunately the club has already set a precedent this summer, we will sell first XI players to close rivals, and at quite reasonable fees given the current market.

I don't fancy us to replace Rose, I fancy us to find a backup to Ben Davies.

Toby and Jan will keep our defense tight like they have for the last two seasons and Danny Rose gets to retire in the Serie A, Bundesliga or La Liga.

 

[danielneeds]

This is where Poch has to earn his corn and prove he's not just a good manager, he can be a great one.

The easy thing would be to bomb Rose out of the club, and give him exactly what he wants - and then we've got another £50m in the bank, but have lost another key player, and will find it as hard to get a quality replacement as we currently are for Walker.

Poch has to be more sanguine though. He's currently got two massive things on his favour - one, Rose is currently injured until the window closes, so there will not be any of that "his mind isn't right to play" bullshit and, two, it's a World Cup year.

Isolate Rose until the window shuts, privately tell him you're sympathetic to his wage desire, but also tell him he's got to apologise to the squad for the disrespect, if he wants to play in a World Cup year.

A season can be a long time in football and the situation can be reassessed next summer.

 

[chinaman]

This is where Poch has to earn his corn and prove he's not just a good manager, he can be a great one.

The easy thing would be to bomb Rose out of the club, and give him exactly what he wants - and then we've got another £50m in the bank, but have lost another key player, and will find it as hard to get a quality replacement as we currently are for Walker.

Poch has to be more sanguine though. He's currently got two massive things on his favour - one, Rose is currently injured until the window closes, so there will not be any of that "his mind isn't right to play" bullshit and, two, it's a World Cup year.

Isolate Rose until the window shuts, privately tell him you're sympathetic to his wage desire, but also tell him he's got to apologise to the squad for the disrespect, if he wants to play in a World Cup year.

A season can be a long time in football and the situation can be reassessed next summer.

Agree with you; but Poch can only do so if Baldy can resist 60 million pounds.

 

[danielneeds]

Agree with you; but Poch can only do so if Baldy can resist 60 million pounds.

Well the noise is no-one is sold without Poch's blessing - as was the case with Walker.

Ultimately Poch puts a lot of faith in cultivating a togetherness, a band of brothers group. But he needs to be realistic, and not burn all bridges.

 

[Hazelton]

This is exactly why I was against selling Walker, we should have stood firm and not sold him regardless of price. When you allow one of your key players to leave to another Premier League team, it sends out a negative message to the league and to your other players. If it wasn't bad enough that we've removed a piece of the league's best defence and weakened our team, the move also makes it look like we're behind City in the pecking order. As if, no matter how good we become, the bigger, richer clubs can cherry pick our players whenever they like. We justify it with huge fees and pat ourselves on the back, but really that's just wrong. Is Walker worth £50m? Absolutely not. Can he be replaced? Who knows, it depends on a number of factors. That's why it's not worth the risk, especially when we haven't invested the money back in to the team (that may change, admittedly).

If I'm a Spurs player and I see Walker moan and then be allowed to leave, the message I'm receiving is firstly that City have more ambition than us, and secondly that if I want more money or I'm not happy, I can ask to leave and that's that, they'll allow it. To another Premier League team, no less. Fantastic, won't even have to learn another language.

Selling Walker will become a pivotal moment in the future of the club, in my opinion. It was an opportunity to stand firm and show that we're now one of the big guns, but instead it showed that if the money's right, everyone's for sale. No matter how close we are to something special or how much progress we've made over the last few years. Don't get me wrong, I like Trippier, but anybody who doesn't see that he is a significant downgrade on Walker is deluded. Our team is weaker than it was at the end of last season, when we fell short, and the rest of the teams around us have strengthened, so why wouldn't players start to worry about our chances of winning things? It's common sense.

That said, Rose should be keeping this to himself or voicing his concerns privately with the club. Massively disappointed with him for doing this just days before the start of the season, if at all.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Wow. We are such an oversensitive group of fans. DR is just being honest. I would like to think he's just ramping up pressure on Daniel Levy with regard to new signings, rather than agitating for a new contract or angling for a move. I posted this (below) on another site. Go on, shoot me down ...

I can't see anything wrong with any aspect of Rose's statement (as a lifelong Spurs fan). Danny Rose is not a Spurs fan, merely a well-paid employee of the club. He sees himself playing up north at the end of his career - no surprise there, and no slight to THFC. He wants a shot at one last big contract - of course he does. Who wouldn't? Seems to me that could easily be at Spurs, if the purse strings are loosened a little when the new stadium revenue comes onstream. If Levy continues to keep things as tight as they are now it will be no surprise if one or two players leave for more money elsewhere. Timing? - again, seems perfectly reasonable to me. This could be viewed as Rose attempting to apply a bit of pressure to Levy and the other Tottenham paymasters.

Sure he wants a few big names through the door. Why not? (sdo most fans) It doesn't have to be Bale or Messi. But I don't think the likes of Barklay, Mahrez or Balde are particularly unrealistic. Get two of them, and we massively increase our attacking options. And the likes of Danny Rose would be quietly pleased that his statement has had the desired effect.

Then it's just down to trophies. A couple of major trophies over the next two or three seasons will keep most of the players happy, I think (if combined with realistic, and well-earned, pay rises). This is where it gets a little more complicated - it's ultimately up to the players to keep raising their game to ensure we do win trophies. Sometimes it appears they don't understand that. Or view a switch to a 'bigger' club as the quicker, easier way of achieving it.

I generally don't get all bent out of shape about players being honest or realistic about stuff, but this is a pretty crass diatribe for a player who we've been paying to do fuck all for months.

There's ways you can say things without slagging off the club and alienating sensible fans, then there's shit like this which is just going to piss off his employer, his manager and most fans, who see footballers already massive wages as a personal affront.

The whole "I want paying what I'm worth and none of my team mates are being payed their worth" is just a completely unnecessary bit of club bashing for a club which has been patient and made you the player you are.

It's one thing thinking stuff like that, it's another thing saying it to your mates, friends and family, it's just fucking crass, conceited and unnecessary to go to the Sun and announce it to the world.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

This is exactly why I was against selling Walker, we should have stood firm and not sold him regardless of price. When you allow one of your key players to leave to another Premier League team, it sends out a negative message to the league and to your other players. If it wasn't bad enough that we've removed a piece of the league's best defence and weakened our team, the move also makes it look like we're behind City in the pecking order. As if, no matter how good we become, the bigger, richer clubs can cherry pick our players whenever they like. We justify it with huge fees and pat ourselves on the back, but really that's just wrong. Is Walker worth £50m? Absolutely not. Can he be replaced? Who knows, it depends on a number of factors. That's why it's not worth the risk, especially when we haven't invested the money back in to the team (that may change, admittedly).

If I'm a Spurs player and I see Walker moan and then be allowed to leave, the message I'm receiving is firstly that City have more ambition than us, and secondly that if I want more money or I'm not happy, I can ask to leave and that's that, they'll allow it. To another Premier League team, no less. Fantastic, won't even have to learn another language.

Selling Walker will become a pivotal moment in the future of the club, in my opinion. It was an opportunity to stand firm and show that we're now one of the big guns, but instead it showed that if the money's right, everyone's for sale. No matter how close we are to something special or how much progress we've made over the last few years. Don't get me wrong, I like Trippier, but anybody who doesn't see that he is a significant downgrade on Walker is deluded. Our team is weaker than it was at the end of last season, when we fell short, and the rest of the teams around us have strengthened, so why wouldn't players start to worry about our chances of winning things? It's common sense.

That said, Rose should be keeping this to himself or voicing his concerns privately with the club. Massively disappointed with him for doing this just days before the start of the season, if at all.

The fact that this already happened with Walker kind of disproves that. This is not unique, all our players will be well aware that they could earn more elsewhere, you don't need chippy fucking Rose, all ansty because he's been sat doing fuck all for 6 months, announcing this to the fucking Sun for our players to know this.

Selling Walker is much less pivotal (and certainly no more) than selling Carrick, Berbatov, Modric and Bale. We survived (and flourished) all.

 

[rich75]

Anyone defending him has totally lost the plot.

Yes, our transfer window has been a complete shambles and rather pathetic. But going to the Sun with it 2 days before the season starts is actively disrupting our season before it's even begun.

He's a disgrace.

Wow, our players must be properly delicate. Imagine that someone implying that Janssen, Wimmer and Walker-Peters might not be the top quality strength in depth a team aiming to win the title needs can upset the little darlings so much.

 

[DCSPUR]

ok, there are now two danny rose threads and an itk one....is there any real itk news from today about the danny?