Player Watch: Erik Lamela

[dudu]

Funny how people see the same game so differently.

Being a staunch defender of Erik, I was surprised to see just how pleased people were with his performance yesterday.

Strangely enough, I feel this was one of his weaker performances we have seen. He had a few nice touches and got a fortuitous goal but his overall game was somewhat off (especially defensively). People seemed to be happier given he wasn't losing the ball but for me he was just playing even safer than he has been, I hope we aren't stifling his creativity which is his main strength.

For what it's worth, I thought his second half performance vs Newcastle was better... Different opinions n' all.

I agree - he wasnt bad but certainly wasnt great - average performance really - again mostly just saw his lack of pace and his inability to kick the ball hard when the pass dictates it needed.

 

[Sir Henry]

i have decided to post no further comments on the lamela thread hes player that inspires a great reverence amongst his fans and while this is in theory a free speech forum as in the real world its often easier to only say what does not incite retribution from those who dont agree with what you say i have acquired 20 additional nasty red ratings in the last few days solely from giving my honest opinion of lamela or trying to defend myself so and im sure im not alone in this belief this thread is probably best left to this particular group of fans to agree with themselves over the relative merits of lamela

PS: id like to add i will not further comment to any replies or quotes to this thread i cannot win yet again im called a troll and someone has spam rated my psot when all ive done is given reasoned arguments why i dont rate lamela and been villified for it i will use the rest of the site and will not take grudges with me from here or revenge negative rating anyone that is against my belief system

Just seek them out, and hit them with a few negatives of your own. Its fun, passes the time and I almost get a boner out of it.

 

[Romspur 1962]

I think Lamela overall has worked out OK. We've overpaid for him, but he is now a consistentish starter for a manager who don't think twice about shutting the door on players he doesn't like. He is one of our best players this season, obviously behind Kane & Rose, on par w/ Eriksen & Bentaleb, he is trying to take on board the gaffers approach, and he will finally have a full preseason after having gained some real PL experience. He isn't great at this point, but certainly quite decent.

THIS WAS MEANT TO BE A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER USER.I COCKED IT UP!!



Sorry but he's had 1 or 2 games where he did OK and maybe 1 where he was the best player, the rest have been a complete car crash. If you really believe he's one of our best players then we are watching different games. He has to go at the end of the season as much for his sake as he will never make it in the premiership

 

[UpTownSpur]

Just seek them out, and hit them with a few negatives of your own. Its fun, passes the time and I almost get a boner out of it.

I found that unsatisfying personally and removed all the revenge negatives I gave - I don't intend to ever give any negative ratings on this site. Negativity of any kind can detrimentally effect your health. To be honest, the negative ratings didn't bother me that much. I can be a little mellow dramatic sometimes. I rather fancy myself as a Shakespearean actor. I'd play a good Prospero I think: Raging against the injustices he's been subjected to, making a tempest to exact his revenge, but finding peace and forgiving everyone in the end.

In truth I was rather disappointed with quality of debate offered by some - but not all - of the Lamela fans.

The "What about Ronaldo and Bale and his Rabona... you don't agree? You're a troll and a spammer!" kind of attitude.

It's a little bit like talking to religious fanatics. You can have a reasonable discussion with them while they think they can bring you around to their beliefs, but as soon as they realise they can't they can become a little hostile and say "Well burn in hell fire then you Satan worshipper!" (sometimes, but not always of course).

And to be be brutally honest, I've made up my mind about Lamela, so it's probably unfair for to me continue to engage in a discussion about him.

 

[Col_M]

If he's been OK then David Bentley must have been SUPERB

 

[prawnsandwich]

I'd play a good Prospero I think: Raging against the injustices he's been subjected, making a tempest to exact his revenge, but finding peace and forgiving everyone in the end.
It's a little bit like talking to religious fanatics.
And to be be brutally honest, I've made up my mind about Lamela, so it's probably unfair for to me to continue to engage in a discussion about him.

Great post.
So many precious people here with zero sense of humour.
Keep making these comebacks. Sinatra prospered by them.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I found that unsatisfying personally and removed all the revenge negatives I gave - I don't intend to ever give any negative ratings on this site. Negativity of any kind can detrimentally effect your health. To be honest, the negative ratings didn't bother me that much. I can be a little mellow dramatic sometimes. I rather fancy myself as a Shakespearean actor. I'd play a good Prospero I think: Raging against the injustices he's been subjected, making a tempest to exact his revenge, but finding peace and forgiving everyone in the end.

In truth I was rather disappointed with quality of debate offered by some - but not all - of the Lamela fans.

The "What about Ronaldo and Bale and his Rabona... you don't agree? You're a troll and a spammer!" kind of attitude.

It's a little bit like talking to religious fanatics. You can have a reasonable discussion with them while they think they can bring you around to their beliefs, but as soon as they realise they can't they can become a little hostile and say "Well burn in hell fire then you Satan worshipper!" (sometimes, but not always of course).

And to be be brutally honest, I've made up my mind about Lamela, so it's probably unfair for to me continue to engage in a discussion about him.

I'd say that many who 'defend' Lamela offer a more balanced view than you have over the last couple of weeks. You have proven yourself unable to be objective and then criticise others for the same thing.

You don't like negativity? You should probably avoid your posting history then. It's almost been a diatribe towards Lamela.

 

[prawnsandwich]

I'd say that many who 'defend' Lamela offer a more balanced view than you have over the last couple of weeks. You have proven yourself unable to be objective and then criticise others for the same thing.

You don't like negativity? You should probably avoid your posting history then. It's almost been a diatribe towards Lamela.

Your posting history is 100% pro Lamela.
What's the big deal? You like him, others don't.
Just list all the great things he does and you will win the argument.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Your posting history is 100% pro Lamela.
What's the big deal? You like him, others don't.
Just list all the great things he does and you will win the argument.

I like all Spurs players because they are wearing the shirt of the team I love. It's quite a good approach for a supporter.

(That's right, i'm going all sanctimonious on your arse.)

I just rate the ability of some more than others.

 

[SpursDave88]

@faze_coys a word of comfort, if your ratings are perfect, you are doing it wrong.

I think Lamela overall has worked out OK. We've overpaid for him, but he is now a consistentish starter for a manager who don't think twice about shutting the door on players he doesn't like. He is one of our best players this season, obviously behind Kane & Rose, on par w/ Eriksen & Bentaleb, he is trying to take on board the gaffers approach, and he will finally have a full preseason after having gained some real PL experience. He isn't great at this point, but certainly quite decent.

I'm sorry...we must be watching a different team...in what world has Lamela been on par with Eriksen or even Bentaleb this year? Eriksen has won us a number of games single handedly, getting us out of trouble on a number of occasions with winning goals and free kicks. Lamela has not even had close to the impact that Eriksen has and to claim as such is frankly bizarre.

 

[prawnsandwich]

I like all Spurs players because they are wearing the shirt of the team I love. It's quite a good approach for a supporter.

(That's right, i'm going all sanctimonious on your arse.)

I just rate the ability of some more than others.

I like all Spurs players more than you.
I am here to express my opinion. I think Lamela is not suited to the EPL and has flopped.
It doesn't make much of a difference. The manager does not make his selections after checking what we think on SC.

 

[UpTownSpur]

I like all Spurs players because they are wearing the shirt of the team I love. It's quite a good approach for a supporter.

(That's right, i'm going all sanctimonious on your arse.)

I just rate the ability of some more than others.

But "The Crest on the front of the shirt will always be bigger than any name on the back.''

The club and fans are permanent but players come and go. Some develop a genuine affinity for the club and deserve to be almost above reproach (such as Ledley King) but some are just here for the pay day or to use the club as a stepping stone. Do you think that if Lamela had been successful here, he wouldn't by now be angling for a move to Barcelona or Real Madrid?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

But "The Crest on the front of the shirt will always be bigger than any name on the back.''

The club and fans are permanent but players come and go. Some develop a genuine affinity for the club and deserve to be almost above reproach (such as Ledley King) but some are just here for the pay day or to use the club as a stepping stone. Do you think that if Lamela had been successful here, he wouldn't by now be angling for a move to Barcelona or Real Madrid?

Oh come on mate, in modern football, nearly every player would want to go to one of those two clubs, regardless of the connection they have to their current club.

 

[jezz]

I'm sorry...we must be watching a different team...in what world has Lamela been on par with Eriksen or even Bentaleb this year? Eriksen has won us a number of games single handedly, getting us out of trouble on a number of occasions with winning goals and free kicks. Lamela has not even had close to the impact that Eriksen has and to claim as such is frankly bizarre.

I would say the opposite is true on current form and at the beginning of the season.
Yes of course Eriksen has scored more goals and won us more points.
But when he isn't on form he becomes a passenger.
The opposite is true of Lamela.
When he's not creating or scoring he works his arse of for the team And this is where Lamela's input is undervalued.
Eriksen and Chadli should take a leaf from Lamela here.

 

[jezz]

I like all Spurs players more than you.
I am here to express my opinion. I think Lamela is not suited to the EPL and has flopped.
It doesn't make much of a difference. The manager does not make his selections after checking what we think on SC.

See you were missing in the match thread when Lamela scored.
Funnily enough you're always about if he missplaces a pass.
just an observation.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Lamela hasn't been god awful but neither has he been a success.

His attitude is good and he does show relatively regular glimpses of quality, enough to suggest that there's a really talented player waiting to come to fruition, but he also screws up simple things far too regularly. Personally, I'd have seen him play more this second half of the season as Townsend has been overused and very poor, and consistent starts might have helped bring Lamela on, but as it stands he is the current incumbent of by far our weakest position. I think there is a good player there but I won't be devastated if we cut our losses. I don't judge him by his large fee, or by the man he replaced. I judge him by Eriksen and Chadli, who signed at the same time. They may be inconsistent still, but they've overall produced the goods. Lamela hasn't.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I'm sorry...we must be watching a different team...in what world has Lamela been on par with Eriksen or even Bentaleb this year? Eriksen has won us a number of games single handedly, getting us out of trouble on a number of occasions with winning goals and free kicks. Lamela has not even had close to the impact that Eriksen has and to claim as such is frankly bizarre.

As I move on to explain, in subsequent posts, I think there are a handful of players battling to be the 4th, 5th, 6th best Spurs player of the season, and Lamela is in that bracket. As is Eriksen, as is Bentaleb. Yes, they all haven't produced the exact same stat, but from a birds eye view, that's how the season looks like to me.

 

[Sarsipius]

But "The Crest on the front of the shirt will always be bigger than any name on the back.''

The club and fans are permanent but players come and go. Some develop a genuine affinity for the club and deserve to be almost above reproach (such as Ledley King) but some are just here for the pay day or to use the club as a stepping stone. Do you think that if Lamela had been successful here, he wouldn't by now be angling for a move to Barcelona or Real Madrid?

Be honest. If Ledley hadn't ruined his knees there's no chance he would have stayed with us his whole career.

 

[Sarsipius]

This has probably been said a million times in this thread already, but I'd like to see Lamela given a fair crack at the #10.

He preference to cut inside continually and lack of pace means he never stretches the opposing fullback enough, plus he's got the quick feet and close control needed to create a yard of space for a through ball or shot.

Eriksen seems better from the left anyhow and Chadli can do a job from the right as per his goal in the last game.

At least make them rotate every 15-20 mins.

 

[SpursDave88]

I would say the opposite is true on current form and at the beginning of the season.
Yes of course Eriksen has scored more goals and won us more points.
But when he isn't on form he becomes a passenger.
The opposite is true of Lamela.
When he's not creating or scoring he works his arse of for the team And this is where Lamela's input is undervalued.
Eriksen and Chadli should take a leaf from Lamela here.

So you take two specific examples, small sections of the season, like the first three and most recent three games and give those more weight in your analysis than the much larger sample of all our other matches in which Eriksen has been so much more valuable that to even make such a comparison is laughable.