players rating vs Wigan pls ?

[double0]

However atm he is as productive in the final 3rd as Zokora is, difference is though Zokora is not meant to provide assists/goals where as Steed is. We can't afford two unproductive midfielders in the same team and it is hurting us down the left.

Get off Zokora's case-the man was playing as a centre back against Wigan.

 

[DC_Boy]

Hi Alamo, what Gilzean said he looked bright as a button yesterday - and of course the all important end product - an assist

tho he did have a good chance to score - but it was a god save so that''s football

Berbs MOTM in Telegraph BTW - more confirmation my rating him as second best today for us not just a case of my pro Berbs bias

here's steve Bruce on the game

I was pleased with the point because Tottenham, particularly in the first half hour - and Berbatov in particular - were excellent," added Bruce.
"It's possibly the best anybody has played against us of late given the way the pitch has been playing.
"I thought they were very good, especially in the forward areas, which shows good players can still play on a bad pitch because he (Berbatov) caused us all sorts of problems.

my bold of course

oh have I mentioned that for me Berbs is our player of the season

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

Get off Zokora's case-the man was playing as a centre back against Wigan.

huh :roll:

if you read what I am saying I am actually defending him in a way, in saying he doesn't have to score provide assists etc where as Steed does, it is Steed I am critical of geez

we bought Steed as a 'creative' attacking midfielder, not just to be a better version of Michael Brown

my comments had nothing at all to do with him playing at the back last night, anyway if I don't expect him to provide assists/goals in a defensive midfield position, why the heck would I expect him to do that when playing at the back ?

you CLEARLY didn't read my comments right :wink:

 

[There's always next year]

I went and the only players who can honestly stare Ramos in the face were

Hutton, Jenas, Lennon and Berbatov.

O'Hara, Malbranque, Dawson and Huddlestone ain't good enough - end of

Zokora, Keane are inconsistant. Keane needs a rest and Zokora needs to stick to one position

Cerny is on loan for next three games and will be moved on, so I don't see any need to judge, albeit he's more mobile than Robbo, but can't kick for toffees

 

[DC_Boy]

I went and the only players who can honestly stare Ramos in the face were

Hutton, Jenas, Lennon and Berbatov.

well said -pretty much exactly the best 4 players on the pitch I would have chosen

 

[the_king]

Zokora was terrible.

Lennon was probably our best attacking player, Berbatov was very hot cold yesterday.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I only saw FF so can't realy comment in depth. Lennon seemed to be busy. Don't understand why Ohara was put at left back again when he clearly struggles there. Zokora isn't a CB either. Rocha & Gilberto on the bench ??? If these games mattered I wouldn't be terribly impressed with Mr Ramos's logic on these. I hate seeing players out of position needlessly. It rarely produces good performances.
Keane did SFA except waste good positions. Berbatov seemed to be quite busy.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

Zokora was terrible.

Lennon was probably our best attacking player, Berbatov was very hot cold yesterday.

Zokora should have been closer to his man and would easily have stopped the shot had he been due to the poor control by Heskey, but he shouldn't be blamed.

If anyone has to take blame for that, it is Ramos as he had other fit CD's to pick from yet decided to play someone out of position there, he surely would have known we were likely to be without Woody

I don't know if he is injured or not, but Kaboul should be getting games, he needs them and as far as I am concerned he should still have a future at Spurs, I don't know why he wasn't playing :shrug:

 

[There's always next year]

I'm a little concerned that Ramos has Jol's risk adverse nature. Surely, a new manager with players he doesn't know would use the remaining games to have a look and you never know, maybe pleasently surprised.

I would like to see an opportunity for Taarbat, Kaboul, Gilberto, Pekart and Bent.

I know it's far to soon to judge Ramos, but if he fails to deliver improvements next year, then I expect the impatienance to begin at a fast speed of knots

 

[dannythomas]

I only saw FF so can't realy comment in depth. Lennon seemed to be busy. Don't understand why Ohara was put at left back again when he clearly struggles there. Zokora isn't a CB either. Rocha & Gilberto on the bench ??? If these games mattered I wouldn't be terribly impressed with Mr Ramos's logic on these. I hate seeing players out of position needlessly. It rarely produces good performances.

100% agree. I think Zokora has a clause in his contract that he must never be left out. I did think the midfield looked better with him out of it. But unfortunately the defence looked all at sea against the deadly Heskey- Marcus Bent duo.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Cerny 6- does not give me confidence
hutton 6- quiet game from him
Dawson 6 - steady
zokora 5 - wernt impressed with him today
O'Hara 6 - Gets A Six just about because of a thunderous tackle in the game that i enjoyed
Lennon 8 - Brilliant Great Runing Gazza Esque Run At On Point
Huddlestone 5 - Was He on the pitch?
Jenas 7 - Done Well
Malbraque - 5 Not a good game
Keane 4 - Terrible
Berbatov 7 - Good Looked Intrested

 

[DC_Boy]

Hi agrdavidsfan yep like the marks - you saw pretty much what I saw -

I was beginning to doubt if my view that Keane deserved the lowest mark was a correct one - tho to be fair I would give a 5 - but he was ineffectual - tho it's fair to say we didn't improve when he was subbed, maybe even deterioated - but it's a different way of playing when Bent comes on so no surprise in one way

 

[guy]

I dont know how ohara can get more games at LB, he is terrible there. He gets caught out of position or ball watching all day.

Rocha mustve done something seriously bad in training to get overlooked for zokora in central defence, WTF is that about?

Ramos 4/10 for picking that defence with kaboul, rocha, gilberto and lee all fit?!?!?!

 

[fortworthspur]

Maybe LB is OHara's only chance of staying at Spurs.

 

[SelbYido]

Maybe LB is OHara's only chance of staying at Spurs.

No, his best position is CM & I think he'll stay as a back-up CM with the potential to improve to be a starter, as well as perhaps acting as an emergency utility player when needed.

Note: that doesn't mean he will become a starter, just that I think he may have the potential to do so & that I doubt he'll leave this summer unless a substantial bid comes in for him.

 

[Netty]

I'd also agree with most that Lennon was MOTM, he done really well going forward, but he is one lazy ****, if he got tackled & lost the ball, he just stopped and walked back. This is one area he needs to improve on, I know the game didn't really mean that much but he should be at least trying to win the ball back.
Keane just didn't turn up.
Huddlestone made some cracking balls, his passing is top notch (he did waste a few though).

 

[fozzi44]

i just cant believe that newcastle are level on points with us. Look at the goals they have shipped.

 

[PYiddy]

Zokora should have been closer to his man and would easily have stopped the shot had he been due to the poor control by Heskey, but he shouldn't be blamed.

If anyone has to take blame for that, it is Ramos as he had other fit CD's to pick from yet decided to play someone out of position there, he surely would have known we were likely to be without Woody

I don't know if he is injured or not, but Kaboul should be getting games, he needs them and as far as I am concerned he should still have a future at Spurs, I don't know why he wasn't playing :shrug:

I see your point with zokora needing to have been tighter with Heskey for the goal, but if O'hara had gone in to the tackle with his right foot, instead of his left, he would have got to the ball, or at least cut off that particular pathway to goal. so sixes and two-threes for me.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

I see your point with zokora needing to have been tighter with Heskey for the goal, but if O'hara had gone in to the tackle with his right foot, instead of his left, he would have got to the ball, or at least cut off that particular pathway to goal. so sixes and two-threes for me.

yeah, thats the trouble though when you play not one, but two players out of position at the back, we were just asking for a goal like that to happen

I know it may not be liked, but Ramos has to take blame for that, it is not like we have not got any other fit CD's or LB'S to pick from, playing people out of position at the back should be a last option. I can imagine how the likes of Kaboul, Rocha, Lee and Gilberto would feel about having midfielders played in their natural positions, I would be starting to think I have no future under this manager if he has that low a confidence in me

As I said though, even though they were at fault, I will not criticise them as they shouldn't have been played there in the first place. If O'Hara is going to be played, he should be played at LM, in place of an out of form Steed and IMO Kaboul has the potential to be a top defender and needs games, he should have played ( if fit ), he is young, still adapting to the EPL and still has time to improve just like Lennon with his final ball. Kaboul is only 22, defenders do not reach their prime that young

I really hope Ramos hasn't already judged Kaboul, he should be starting the last three games to get more experience in games that have little meaning, I can't see why, not unless he is injured :shrug:

 

[TheBlueRooster]

I'd also agree with most that Lennon was MOTM, he done really well going forward, but he is one lazy ****, if he got tackled & lost the ball, he just stopped and walked back. This is one area he needs to improve on, I know the game didn't really mean that much but he should be at least trying to win the ball back.

If we say that about Berbatov, we get slated & told he shouldn't have to do it.

Every player in the team that loses the ball should try to get it back.