Ratings vs Arsenal

[Adam456]

Ade didn't have a great game but the hatred towards him is over the top.

Why is it that so many people on this board - and most places these days - only see things in black and white, i.e. if a player isn't amazing he must be sh*t.

At the moment it seems a lot of people are saying Ade is a waste of space. He, quite clearly, is not. Haven't you watched football long enough to know all players go through good and bad period of form, sometimes things work, sometimes they don't and it really isn't as reductionist as that.

Ade is a good player. I'm backing him to come good.

Not sure if you are deliberately misunderstanding people's comments about him. Nobody is disputing that he is at least a 'good' player. It's his attitude. I'll say that one more time. It's his fckn ridiculous attitude. Ok sorted. No need to thank me.

 

[jezz]

Wowsers, the slack this guy gets cut is incredible...on his performances this season (writing off last year to fitness/settling in), he lacks the strength, pace and composure to come even close to justifying his price tag (and starting place). He presses, sure, but then that should be a given. Someone provide a suitably objective appraisal of what he offers...

Turn on you tv and watch the games, would be a good start.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Couldn't disagree more.

Last season we went there and had more possession but created absolutely nothing - bar in the last ten minutes when Soldado, IIRC, had a chance.

Yesterday, had we actually taken more care with our counter attacking we could of scored three - and that's no exaggeration.

We created far more attacking situations yesterday compared to last season, the fact they came on the counter shouldn't diminish that fact.

I find it so frustrating that some are dismissing it because its not their 'preferred style of football'. And then try and portray it as a terrible performance because of that, its just bollox to be honest.

The fact of the matter is, and is proven to be the case - and not just by us, its a very effective way to play against Arsenal.

We're early in our development under Pochettion, were under a bit of pressure leading up to the game. I think it was completely the prudent and sensible thing to do. Set up in a way that has been Arsenal's undoing over the years on many occasions.

And it worked a treat and, like I said, had we taken more care on the counter, we could of won the game, maybe convincingly to.

I measure games on terms of what we create and how much we threaten - not on possession were a large amount of it doesn't produce any threatening moments whatsoever.

That's not having the better of the game in my book.

Absolutely spot on. As you've nailed it here Mr P, it's about what people have a fixed idea of, not what actually happens during the 90 minutes. How anybody could rate our performance there last season when we were utterly toothless as better/more enjoyable than yesterday is beyond belief.

We should have taken advantage of the counter attack chances that we created, but we seemed to fluff our lines when it mattered, which was a shame. But at least we had those opportunities, and I have no real problem with us playing that way away from home against the better sides, Lloris played well, but it's not like he turned in a 'Joe Hart against Munich' performance.

I'm just over the moon that Poch had a suit on.

 

[alfie103]

Maybe it is the Arsenal connection, maybe the residual AVB man-crush, but Ade is one of those players whom a depressing number on here are desperate to see fail.

Tbh, I would rather Kane play than Adebayor. He would show more willingness and is on decent form.

 

[walton]

Turn on you tv and watch the games, would be a good start.

You tv, is that like YouTube?

Thank you for you considered and well-informed response though, it certainly furthered my understanding.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Couldn't disagree more.

Last season we went there and had more possession but created absolutely nothing - bar in the last ten minutes when Soldado, IIRC, had a chance.

Yesterday, had we actually taken more care with our counter attacking we could of scored three - and that's no exaggeration.

We created far more attacking situations yesterday compared to last season, the fact they came on the counter shouldn't diminish that fact.

I find it so frustrating that some are dismissing it because its not their 'preferred style of football'. And then try and portray it as a terrible performance because of that, its just bollox to be honest.

The fact of the matter is, and is proven to be the case - and not just by us, its a very effective way to play against Arsenal.

We're early in our development under Pochettion, were under a bit of pressure leading up to the game. I think it was completely the prudent and sensible thing to do. Set up in a way that has been Arsenal's undoing over the years on many occasions.

And it worked a treat and, like I said, had we taken more care on the counter, we could of won the game, maybe convincingly to.

I measure games on terms of what we create and how much we threaten - not on possession were a large amount of it doesn't produce any threatening moments whatsoever.

That's not having the better of the game in my book.

I honestly couldn't see Arsenal scoring. Even the goal wasn't really worked. More an individual error from us. My opinion of the manager went up massively yesterday. The football intellects on here that drone on about philosophies, methodologies and that all the best managers have one way of playing is a load of cobblers. Imo the best managers adapt a way of playing to suit the players at the club or who he's playing against. I was worried on Wednesday when he played inverted wingers who rarely make the right choices when driving infield coupled with full backs who dont provide width and a lone forward who's not really a focal point to play off of. Yesterday was different and he went about the game in the right way imo. Arsenal are not a team it's easy to press against anyway. There players are generally comfortable receiving the ball under pressure and can pass the ball in tight spaces. It was a much better performance than last year.

 

[mpickard2087]

Some of you really need to start sharing out all this bad criticism with some of your favourite players too, just imagine if that was Townsend who shanked his clearance for their goal and then didn't close down the player who was open and clearly going to receive the ball...

Good point.

 

[SlunkSoma]

A point on Poch: bringing on Lennon when he did was very smart and should have helped us see out the game. Lennon getting booked nigh on straight away meant he couldn't be as effective in disrupting the goons attack as he was meant to be. That's a shame but showed good thinking by our manager, and an understanding of the players at his disposal. Lennon is a two-fold impact sub: Tracks back when we are without the ball, and gives us a great outlet when we turn the ball over.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Wowsers, the slack this guy gets cut is incredible...on his performances this season (writing off last year to fitness/settling in), he lacks the strength, pace and composure to come even close to justifying his price tag (and starting place). He presses, sure, but then that should be a given. Someone provide a suitably objective appraisal of what he offers...

who should start ahead of him? it's not like he's keeping robben and bale out of the side. he's started six league games so far and created three goals, the same amount lennon and townsend managed between them for the entirety of last season.

 

[walton]

His first proper season in the EPL has onyl really just begun. He's making assists and has developed a grit and tenacity - granted not always best applied - that was completely alien to him before he came here.

He's broken into the Argentinian international squad and looks much more settled than last season.

He's still trying too hard and is still anxious about his game and proving to people, like you, what he can do.

If he just relaxed and ignored the expectations of others and simplified his game and then built from there he'd sooner arrive back at the artistic, majestic place that got him his move here in the first place.

He needs a proper prem season to fully get to grips. He's not the first high priced player to come to the EPL and struggle with his game and he won't be the last.

People have faith in him because they are not blinded by his price-tag and don't expect the immediate justification for it in his play. They acknowledge it will take time for him to grow into this league.

Fair play for actually putting some thought into a response, but it doesn't really ease my concerns. I'm not talking about anyone else, so the whole 'he won't be the first player etc etc' line is irrelevant. I'm genuinely a little concerned at what he's going to be able to offer at the highest level. Maybe as you say, he'll calm down a little and stop trying so hard, and I'm certainly not giving up on him...at the moment though he's more an enigma than the artistry and majesty you speak (put it away, won't you!).

Also, he recalled to a very understrength Argentina squad, and made his debut a few years back so I wouldn't read too much into that.

 

[walton]

who should start ahead of him? it's not like he's keeping robben and bale out of the side. he's started six league games so far and created three goals, the same amount lennon and townsend managed between them for the entirety of last season.

I'd hope that any AM in our squad would be given a shot, especially in a system where Eriksen gets to play in his natural role. If there really is no sufficient competition for his place, then it should remedied ASAP.

 

[thinktank]

Fair play for actually putting some thought into a response, but it doesn't really ease my concerns. I'm not talking about anyone else, so the whole 'he won't be the first player etc etc' line is irrelevant. I'm genuinely a little concerned at what he's going to be able to offer at the highest level. Maybe as you say, he'll calm down a little and stop trying so hard, and I'm certainly not giving up on him...at the moment though he's more an enigma than the artistry and majesty you speak (put it away, won't you!).

Also, he recalled to a very understrength Argentina squad, and made his debut a few years back so I wouldn't read too much into that.

The glass is half full for me irt lamela.

Once he has players around him who are on his creative wavelength who are as aware and inventive as him, we'll see the best of him. He's miles ahead of most in the squad in this regard.

 

[Gedson100]

Couldn't disagree more.

Last season we went there and had more possession but created absolutely nothing - bar in the last ten minutes when Soldado, IIRC, had a chance.

Yesterday, had we actually taken more care with our counter attacking we could of scored three - and that's no exaggeration.

We created far more attacking situations yesterday compared to last season, the fact they came on the counter shouldn't diminish that fact.

I find it so frustrating that some are dismissing it because its not their 'preferred style of football'. And then try and portray it as a terrible performance because of that, its just bollox to be honest.

The fact of the matter is, and is proven to be the case - and not just by us, its a very effective way to play against Arsenal.

We're early in our development under Pochettion, were under a bit of pressure leading up to the game. I think it was completely the prudent and sensible thing to do. Set up in a way that has been Arsenal's undoing over the years on many occasions.

And it worked a treat and, like I said, had we taken more care on the counter, we could of won the game, maybe convincingly to.

I measure games in terms of what we create and how much we threaten - not on possession were a large amount of it doesn't produce any threatening moments whatsoever.

That's not having the better of the game in my book.

Pink, the day you're not positive is the day we all give up! Our problems recently haven't been with Arsenal and I just. feel disappointed we didn't match them and play with the intention of dominating.

 

[SydneySpur]

This hatred towards Ade is so sad.
Ade worked tirelessly yesterday.

I hope you are trolling or having a laugh?

 

[Marty]

I'm just over the moon that Poch had a suit on.

FINALLY someone's mentioned this. A manager should wear a suit.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Pink, the day you're not positive is the day we all give up! Our problems recently haven't been with Arsenal and I just. feel disappointed we didn't match them and play with the intention of dominating.

why does possession = domination though? i really blame pep guardiola was the way of thinking. did bayern dominate madrid last season when they went down 0-5 on aggregate with 69% and 72% possession? our stats under avb looked great, we had loads of possession and loads of shots, unfortunately most of that possession was utterly worthless(yes, there is such a thing bus) and we took a ridiculous amount of shots from equally ridiculous angles and distances. all i know is we looked far more secure defensively and more of a threat going forward with 31% possession yesterday than we did with 57% last season.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I actually thought ade weren't that bad he's just the scape goat because the love in spurs fans have with certain players who don't preform as well as they should be never get slated.

They way a lot of you are making out like he just stood still all game, he made some good runs and held the ball up well at times playing against probably two of the best defenders in the league. I do agree he can be playing better but I just don't think he's clicked yet with Lamela and Chadli as well as he did last season with Eriksen closer to him.

Some of you really need to start sharing out all this bad criticism with some of your favourite players too, just imagine if that was Townsend who shanked his clearance for their goal and then didn't close down the player who was open and clearly going to receive the ball...

Ade was woeful, and I am/have been a big fan of his but he did nothing all game. And when he did get a chance he completely fluffed his lines and made no attempt straight after to get into position for the cross that was about to come in. Watch that passage of play again if you get a chance, totally wasn't interested and needs to go on the bench for that alone.

And you could be right that Townsend may have got a bit more of a reaction than Lamela for the poor clearance but at least he played in Ade and Chaldi for our best chance and goal. Townsend would have shot into the crowd on both occasions.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Fair play for actually putting some thought into a response, but it doesn't really ease my concerns. I'm not talking about anyone else, so the whole 'he won't be the first player etc etc' line is irrelevant. I'm genuinely a little concerned at what he's going to be able to offer at the highest level. Maybe as you say, he'll calm down a little and stop trying so hard, and I'm certainly not giving up on him...at the moment though he's more an enigma than the artistry and majesty you speak (put it away, won't you!).

Also, he recalled to a very understrength Argentina squad, and made his debut a few years back so I wouldn't read too much into that.

You mean the understrength squad that contains Messi, Aguero, Di Maria, Higuain, Pastore, Mascherano, Zabaleta, Rojo and Musacchio ( )?

No Argentinian U22 player has more senior team caps than Lamela as of today.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Pink, the day you're not positive is the day we all give up! Our problems recently haven't been with Arsenal and I just. feel disappointed we didn't match them and play with the intention of dominating.

If we had tried to have gone toe to toe with Arsenal we would have lost. There are not many teams in the EPL that can take the game to Arsenal and beat them at their own stadium. Very unrealistic to expect us to do that at this stage in our development under the Poch regime imo.

 

[SteveH]

I hope you are trolling or having a laugh?

Oh your so mean