Ratings vs Arsenal

[stevenqoz]

Dalston Garage has reported one of it's buses missing - a 236. Runs from Hackney to Highbury last seen parked in the newly constructed Emirates Library grounds....

Lloris 8
Naughton 7
Kaboul 8.5
Vert 7.5
Rose 7
Lamella 6.5
Capoue 6
Mason 6
Chadli 6.5
Eriksen 5
Ade 5

Bentableb NET
Dier 6.5
Lennon 6

Porch 6 Still working out his best team line-up. This was depressing stuff today. Capoue not a bad player but lacks surge...Eriksen never got time on the ball today....needs to watch the Modric 101 video for help.....Vert needs an injection of GAF....he looks almost out. Ade was very ordinary today the ball never likely to stick with such lethargy...a big reason for our 39% possession stat

 

[jezz]

Watch the goal again. Eriksen didnt pass the ball to lamela. He stumbled when tackled back by flamini but lamela was near enough to get hold of the ball.

Now youre gonna say that their "closeness" to each other means they work well together?

If you had bothered to read this thread, you would have seen my reply to this question.
You didn't so I can't arsed to go back and find it.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

I mentioned this in the Team vs Arsenal thread. I do not think having both Adebayor or Eriksen will work in Poch set up. Eriksen struggled to play well in the little time he had in AVB team. He is struggling now as well. His workrate and pressing needs massive improvement. Ade, i have said, since the beginning that he only plays when he wants to prove a point. Enough said. The team cannot have 2 passengers, if they want to employ team pressing tactics (which the team played in a tweak pressing tactics in this game; team pressing hard when the probability is higher to gain something).

On a hindsight, giving Ade the V Captain and playing him in these early games might be a masterstroke by Poch. If Ade continues to play like he does now, he would have nothing to say against Poch and his influence in the dressing room will be very much diminished. If he does not improved his attitude, let him go in the Jan transfer window.

I hope to see a diamond 4 of Mason,Chadli, Lamela and Soldado (playing in front of Capoue or Stambouli) with Kane as the furthest forward player. They can start as 4-2-3-1 and then morph to 4-1-4-1 when attacking. With this team, only Soldado did not press relentlessly (so it is already a plus against that of having Ade and Eriksen in the same team), also Soldado and Lamela and Chadli seems to understand each other play better.....and Lamela, finding Kane the other night was pure class. If Eriksen adapt to the tactics and pace later, play him in the diamond 4 with Soldado as the furthest forward player. Soldado deserves to play in the longer haul, with Lamela, Chadli behind him....

Another thing i want to say is that with this Kaboul performance and Rose and Naughton "resurgence", isn't it better that we support most of our players instead of slagging them? I still think that Chiriches has good potential.....give him time to adapt. Fazio looks good.....needs time to adapt to the pace. I think we will have 4 really solid CB.....Make it 6 if we count Dier and Veljkovic (Future CBs).

 

[Flashspur]

True grit. It was a backs to the wall performance and a well deserved result.

I know the purists on here are going to rave on about the counter attacking game and how we were ineffective in implementing it for large parts of the match but we needed a gutsy performance like this.

I am sick of all this doom and gloom pussy shite I keep seeing on this Board. We need to get behind the team with some fight and pride and grit ourselves and stop this negative trend of willing ourselves into a depression about the state of the side like a bunch of weak f****** bastards.

After the Liverpool loss and and the abysmal showing against WBA we needed to retreat back into our shell and find our fighting selves again. To reconnect with the mojo. And that was the most pleasing thing. That the players played with courage and didn't let their heads drop. Yes I know the forward line didn't press effectively and there was a bit of the hope and pray at times in defense but we had a game plan and executed it well for the most part.

Our players needed a point out of this to vindicate themselves, to recover from recent embarrassments and stem the tide of losses. A great result when you think Arse blogs were predicting a cricket score all week. Yes they cut off our oxygen at times but we were resolute enough to fight all the way. A great performance of character at a crucial point in the season to raise self belief.

The back five were immense. A superb defensive performance.

Lloris - 9 MOM for me with some brilliant saves.

Naughton - 8 a very good game. Handled some enormous traffic down his flank and they tried hard to target him but he held firm.

Kaboul - 8.5 A great game from the big man. Showed he is back to his best.

Verts - 8 Solid. A return to form perhaps? We need consistency from the two CB's and I hope these two can form a useful partnership.

Rose - 8.5 Immense performance from a LB who has taken so much stick lately.

Capoue - 7.5 grafted hard and ran himself ragged, fading away badly towards the end but shielded the defense well.

Mason - 7 A good debut from the lad. He was not overawed and played economically and tried to start things as often as he could. Not as brilliant as some are making out but he did not disappoint and he will improve.

Lamela - 6.5 A mixed bag. Still one of the hardest working of the attacking midfield three. Ran as hard as he can. Was poor with some of his passing but he is always committed. A great assist for the goal. Love having him in the team as he can spot a pass for a goal so well. I think long term this lad is our No.10.

Eriksen - 5 Frustrating at time. He looks a luxury in the rough and tumble games even though his robbing of Flamini was key to the goal. He needs to get involved more and realise he is not just there to make things look pretty. I think he will click as he looks out of sorts right now. Poch seems prepared to give him time.

Chadli - 6 Didnt do much apart from the goal but you need an attacking player to be there for the opportunity and he has a keen eye for goal. His runs in from the flanks are getting better and he could well be a star for us this season.

Ade - 5 He was marshalled well today but he kept their defenders busy and occupied. He was not as bad as some are making out. He had a limited role under these tactics but did what he had to do.

Subs all came on and did their job.

Poch - 7.5 He knew that we could not afford to lose and lose badly. Good tactics. We had to graft out a result and we did and it shows he has the flexibility to make those decisions based on the opponent.

Arsenal - 7 They huffed and puffed but this was not a Rolls Royce performance but more of a economical class Mercedes trying to justify its class by pointing to the badge and saying - "..but I'm a Merc and I must be better than you. Aren't I...oops oh bugger." Their big game players didn't bring their A game with them and their Turkish opponents would have been smiling at how inept they were at times in getting past us. If anything, I think we paid them too much respect but looking at this from a psychological perspective, it was too early for us to come to the Emirates with a swagger after just getting off the mat ourselves. This is the softest looking Arse team in a while. I think we could beat them well at WHL in the return fixture if we can improve on our game and I know we will. COYS!

 

[EastLondonYid]

It's not just about possession v not possession Mr P. We were shit without the ball. watch what Dortmund did to Arsenal. I'm not expecting us to be that good, but we could have pressed them, and maybe caused them some problems and counter attacked without taking too many risks.. We had 11 touches of the ball in their fucking end.

If you're going to tell me you enjoyed that bollocks more than last season or think those tactics, if that's what they were, are more viable than even risk averse possession then you are a lost cause Mr P.

That today was the bottom level of tactical basics. Turn up, park and pray. Any **** can come up with that plan.

@Blake Griffin probably invented it in his bedroom on his 11th birthday.

How can any Spurs fan say they didn't enjoy not losing to the scum more than losing....which is what happened last season?
This was a game that came after a horrific loss and performance against WBA, this was a game we were all dreading all week, this was a game the scum thought they would pick up 3 easy points.Instead we were celebrating and they walked off gutted...for once a season that will do for me and YES I ENJOYED IT MUCH MORE THAN LAST SEASON when you walk out of the ground and see the scum celebrating and taking the fucking piss and then yesterday you see them all fucking moaning ... you can't go to many NLD to say you enjoyed last seasons defeat more.

You may be right on alot of the tactical shit your saying, but FFS can't you see this game was about not losing to the scum of the earth, we battled and put our bodies on the line(,except Ade), we showed our fans we didn't want to lose...that made me happy ....lets move on and hopefully Poch will build from the confidence we will get from this result.
I usually agree with your posts, but today, though i get some of your points, i think you should chill out and just enjoy the result and guts we showed.
Ask the fans who were there which game they enjoyed most?...

Our defence were monsters today....but just a thought, Kaboul was outstanding when we defended deeper, maybe his injuries over the last year don't allow him to play the high line??

 

[Mornstar]

Three of our front four simply didn't put a shift in today. There were a number of moves where the situation was crying for someone to bust a gut and make a run into the box but we saw eriksen, Ade and Pamela jogging about the middle of the park. Deeply dissapointed with eriksen in particular, it just seems as though he's disinterested this season. As for Ade the less said the better. We seriously need to start giving Kane more game time. If he doesn't get his chance now, he never will. I know some are crying for soldado but he's just Ade make 2 I.e. gutless.

 

[cliff jones]

Positives:

I would have taken a drawer before the match
We were not Beaten by a Top 5 team today
Kaboul looked like a Captain as lead by example - My MOM

Negatives:

No pressing
No pressing
Adebayor

I thought not pressing significantly reduced L'arse's opportunities to quickly play through our lines, which seemed to be a deliberate tactic deployed by poch and one which really frustrated wenger. We did press flamini well for the goal, and otherwise broke very well until after we scored. Annoying we didn't counter better after that because the spaces were there but we tired and poch was/felt forced into the subs he made. Would have loved ten mins of Andros against their tiring back five...

 

[Danny1]

Its great to hear the interview from Poch talking about executing the game plan almost to perfection. Had we been more clinical in the final third then we could have been 3 or 4 nil up by the time they really started to pressure us. We broke with pace and determination and I personally thought that every time we went forward we looked dangerous.

I think its great to finally have a manager who implements a game plan game by game. Mourinho did it against Man City the other day and got a draw, they played extremely deep and broke with pace trying to catch the team on the break. Fair play to the players and fair play to Poch.

Lloris 8 - What a great save, what a great keeper. For me, the best in the league with Courtios.
Rose 8 - Great game today, the Ox didn't really have a sniff against him (apart from the goal). Shame he got the injury.
Kaboul 9 - MOM, back to his best.
Vertonghen 7 - Good game from Verts, hope he can recapture his great form.
Naughton 7 - Steady eddy, good game from him. Sanchez & Ozil against him and neither got any joy.
Capoue 7 - Very solid, for me he is getting better every game.
Mason 7 - Good debut from the lad, has a good pass and good movement. Encouraging and hopefully he can get a lot of games this year.
Eriksen 6 - Still not at his best but is working hard for the team and was a big part of the goal.
Chadli 7 - If he can get on the ball more and start to make more of a difference he really could become a big player for us. Took his goal well but should have done better with the previous chance.
Lamela 7 - Works so hard and has a great eye for a pass, should have had two assists today if it wasnt for Ade being on his toes.
Adebayor 5 - Another poor game, he just doesnt contribute at all.

 

[jonnyp]

Lloris - 9 - A couple of amazing saves kept us in the game.
Rose - 8 - Good game. Looks like he's really trying this season.
Kaboul - 9 - Cleared and blocked everything pretty much
Vertonghen - 7.5 - Good game
Naughton - 7 - Solid for the most part, but did little going forward.
Capoue - 6 - Just think he's too slow and static
Mason - 6 - Did nothing wrong but don't really understand the plaudits. We had way less possession, mainly because of our CMs
Lamela - 5 - Good assist for ours and for theirs unfortunately.
Eriksen - 5 - An incredibly inconsistent player. And his corners are shambolic
Chadli - 6.5 - Good finish but had a quiet game overall
Adebayor - 2 - Don't know what's going on with him but he's been extremely poor as of late.


Lennon - 2 - Doesn't track back like he used to. Seems to not care anymore now that he's not an automatic starter. Just there to pick up his pay check it seems.


Thought our pressing and movement was lackluster. Poor ball-retention and over-run in midfield because of it. We're not playing as a proper team with movement to give team mates passing options. I thought this was one of the pillars of MP's footballing philosophy. So far I've only seen glimpses of it in certain matches.

 

[dondo]

Definitely Yes. Part of getting service is to make yourself available to receive it, something that Adebayor was not doing.

Or soldado has ever done for us

 

[weststandvoice]

Fucking hell, you're unbelievable. You probably fucking expect us to outplay Arsenal, which is never ever going to happen at this moment in time.


For all your long posts and supposed knowledge/tactical genius, I actually think I know more about football than you.

Crazy stuff.

I'm surprised you didn't say "For all your long posts and supposed knowledge/tactical genius, and fancy London ways..."

 

[ethanedwards]

How can any Spurs fan say they didn't enjoy not losing to the scum more than losing....which is what happened last season?
This was a game that came after a horrific loss and performance against WBA, this was a game we were all dreading all week, this was a game the scum thought they would pick up 3 easy points.Instead we were celebrating and they walked off gutted...for once a season that will do for me and YES I ENJOYED IT MUCH MORE THAN LAST SEASON when you walk out of the ground and see the scum celebrating and taking the fucking piss and then yesterday you see them all fucking moaning ... you can't go to many NLD to say you enjoyed last seasons defeat more.

You may be right on alot of the tactical shit your saying, but FFS can't you see this game was about not losing to the scum of the earth, we battled and put our bodies on the line(,except Ade), we showed our fans we didn't want to lose...that made me happy ....lets move on and hopefully Poch will build from the confidence we will get from this result.
I usually agree with your posts, but today though i get some of your points i think you should chill out and just enjoy the result and guts we showed.
Ask the fans who were there which game they enjoyed most?...

Our defence were monsters today....but just a thought, Kaboul was outstanding when we defended deeper, maybe his injuries over the last year don't allow him to play the high line??

Get your drift, football comes second to all the tribal stuff, silly boy.

 

[Shadydan]

Positives:

I would have taken a drawer before the match
We were not Beaten by a Top 5 team today
Kaboul looked like a Captain as lead by example - My MOM

Negatives:

No pressing
No pressing
Adebayor

Our goal came from a result of pressing did it not?

Also we played deeper, you can't expect intense pressing if we're not playing a high line because it leaves too much space between the defence and midfield.

Anyway Kaboul MOTM followed by Lloris and Rose and the Capoue.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Before the match I was on about horses for courses and saying Poch was looking inflexible and a bit rigid in his setting out of the team . I was saying Mourinho , for instance adapts his team to the situation .

Poch (8) threw that back in my face , he does have other plans ,other strings to his bow. What a delight to do to somebody else what is so often done to us at home . To hear the frustrated moan from other team's fans ...particularly Arse fans .

By every measure you care to name we are a smaller club than Arse . We were also smashed at home by Pool ,lost abjectly to West Brom , couldn't break through vs Foerest for 70 miserable minutes . The posters here wringing their hands that we didn't put in a performance vs Arse like imperial phase Barca , must be suffering some kind of mental breakdown .

Do they really think that our continually poor forward line needed to be emphasised yesterday ,because yesterday was the one day where the evidence of our eyes was going to be reversed and they were about to rip Arse to bits ?(while suddenly learning to press!)
Wild dreams . Poch went pragmatic , excellent news , cos y'know getting results is more important than displaying
a philosophy , crazy thing to say I know . Delighted to see Poch show a different side . At least oppo's analysing us will start to wonder how we're going to set up . Roll on this approach away to City Pool and Chelsea . Mebbe we've got an answer to our string of top4 catastrophes .

Eriksen (4) has himself said he's in poor form , he was poor for Denmark . This has fuck all to do with the various egghead pronouncements on here that he should be played in a diff position and all would be well.

Ade (3) was pretty useless , but I had to laugh at the poster saying we should have played Soldado 'to hassle' Arse defence. Soldado doesn't hassle defences , he never has since arriving, he has skills but 'hassling' a defence is glaringly not one of them . Its particularly baffling to see this posted a few times in this thread ...when we have someone who yes , does hassle defences . KANE .

Anyway a relief to see us perform like yesterday...suddenly trips to top 4 could be faced with less trepidation .Getting results ugly has to be an option for a misfiring outfit like us still adapting to a new manager .

 

[dynamoSpurs]

I just know that there will be idiots on here calling that a tactical master class. I call that a tactical apology scribbled on a post it note and stuck on a fridge door.

Glenn Roeder could have come up with that. In fact he probably did. Fuck knows every other shit **** with zero ambition has come up with the same plan.

That's assuming it was "a plan".

Yay, we went away to Arsenal, parked a bus, skanked a goal and then parked it some more, then lost a goal, then parked it some more. I can hardly contain myself.

West Brom showed much more ambition and tactical nous against us last week. As did West Ham against Liverpool.

We weren't even great without the ball. Just because you want to contain and sit a bit deeper doesn't mean you don't press the football. In fact, if you want to play counter attacking football, it's fucking obligatory.

Chadli and Eriksen were ambling around engaging no fucker, and Adebayor needs a fucking PCP suppository. The bloke just walked around like it he was at a garden party at the imperial Togalise majesty's summer residence. How the fuck is Pochettino picking him right now. I'd rather Kane up front right now.

The only time Eriksen actually tackled anyone it resulted in a goal. If only we'd actually tried that more often ?

As a result of Chadli, Adebayor ad Eriksen's ten yard walking exclusion zone, Arsenal found it piss easy to walz through the the lines and this put extreme pressure on Capoue and Mason, neither were great, but Mason in a CM2 in this game was stupider than what Sherwood did in his first game last season. The boy spent most of the game chasing his tail and rarely finding it. This isn't a outright criticism of Mason, I hope he has a role to play in easier games, better tactically organised, but he wasn't great today - no one was.

Lamela was like an Argentine Townsend for the first half. He clearly has ability, and his tenacity and willingness to try and engage the opposition when he hasn't got the ball is commendable, but he's really got to compose himself at times and do the fucking simple thing. Lay a simple ball off to someone in a good position. Don't commit a stupid foul after the ref has just warned you about totting up. Credit for his work off the ball today and setting up another goal, but he's still got some learning to do.

Mind boggling to me was when we were hanging on for dear life did Pochettino not take off one of the forward players and put Bentaleb in. Try and shore up the midfield and cut off the supply that was continually pumping at us and inevitably led to a goal. I didn't mind Eriksen going off so much, but the straight swap for Lennon was tactically moribund.

Vertonghen and, particularly, Kaboul did what you want CB's to do on days like today, which is throw themselves at everything. That's great but I wouldn't expect a pair of CB's to do any less really. I was probably more impressed by the performance of Rose, who's energy and chippy tenacity was about the only thing you could call "positive". He refused to let Oxlade-Chamberlin have an easy day.

The three of four times we found ourselves in their half we looked like pub footballers, wasting the simplest chances to do something vaguely constructive. All bar once.

Individual stuff

Lloris - World class save that earned us a point.

Naughton - Decent performance on the back foot.

Kaboul - Strong.

Vertonghen - Decent game.

Rose - Good game.

Capoue - Pass of the game (on either side) for Chadli. Fighting fires the rest of the game. OK

Mason - Tough baptism. I don't think he was the right choice for this game, and didn't really have much influence on it, but hopefully he'll get easier chances to shine.

Eriksen - Ironic that the only time he engaged anyone it ended up with a goal. Shame he (and we) didn't do it more. Largely very disappointing in every other way.

Chadli - Fucked his first great chance horribly. Took his second one well. Was a passenger for the most part apart from those two moments.

Lamela - The boy's got talent, and he does produce something of quality nearly every time he plays, but he needs to do simple things sometimes too. Good effort off the ball.

Adebayor - Has Defoe performed some kind of Voodoo and got in his body ?

Subs - Who cares.


Early days, blah blah fucking blah.

I've yet to see this Lamela talent that everyone on here keeps banging on about :/

 

[Matthew Wyatt]

I have to agree with BeeCee to a certain extent. It is obvious now to me that the tactics was to soak up the pressure by defending which the back 5 and 2 CMs did superbly. then counter on the break where the front 4 were poor. IMO you have to have an element of pressing in order to counter, which was virtually non existent' A team of almost two halves!

I agree. With those tactics a Gareth Bale would have won us this game quite comfortably. We don't have anyone like that though -- a good footballer with pace.

 

[Japhet]

True grit. It was a backs to the wall performance and a well deserved result.

I know the purists on here are going to rave on about the counter attacking game and how we were ineffective in implementing it for large parts of the match but we needed a gutsy performance like this.

I am sick of all this doom and gloom pussy shite I keep seeing on this Board. We need to get behind the team with some fight and pride and grit ourselves and stop this negative trend of willing ourselves into a depression about the state of the side like a bunch of weak f****** bastards.

After the Liverpool loss and and the abysmal showing against WBA we needed to retreat back into our shell and find our fighting selves again. To reconnect with the mojo. And that was the most pleasing thing. That the players played with courage and didn't let their heads drop. Yes I know the forward line didn't press effectively and there was a bit of the hope and pray at times in defense but we had a game plan and executed it well for the most part.

Our players needed a point out of this to vindicate themselves, to recover from recent embarrassments and stem the tide of losses. A great result when you think Arse blogs were predicting a cricket score all week. Yes they cut off our oxygen at times but we were resolute enough to fight all the way. A great performance of character at a crucial point in the season to raise self belief.

The back five were immense. A superb defensive performance.


Pretty much spot on with the ratings IMO. Ade for me was a 4 because he sauntered about right from the off and a senior player should be setting the tone. I'd also mention Dier who dealt very well with a lot of stuff in the short time he was on the pitch

Lloris - 9 MOM for me with some brilliant saves.

Naughton - 8 a very good game. Handled some enormous traffic down his flank and they tried hard to target him but he held firm.

Kaboul - 8.5 A great game from the big man. Showed he is back to his best.

Verts - 8 Solid. A return to form perhaps? We need consistency from the two CB's and I hope these two can form a useful partnership.

Rose - 8.5 Immense performance from a LB who has taken so much stick lately.

Capoue - 7.5 grafted hard and ran himself ragged, fading away badly towards the end but shielded the defense well.

Mason - 7 A good debut from the lad. He was not overawed and played economically and tried to start things as often as he could. Not as brilliant as some are making out but he did not disappoint and he will improve.

Lamela - 6.5 A mixed bag. Still one of the hardest working of the attacking midfield three. Ran as hard as he can. Was poor with some of his passing but he is always committed. A great assist for the goal. Love having him in the team as he can spot a pass for a goal so well. I think long term this lad is our No.10.

Eriksen - 5 Frustrating at time. He looks a luxury in the rough and tumble games even though his robbing of Flamini was key to the goal. He needs to get involved more and realise he is not just there to make things look pretty. I think he will click as he looks out of sorts right now. Poch seems prepared to give him time.

Chadli - 6 Didnt do much apart from the goal but you need an attacking player to be there for the opportunity and he has a keen eye for goal. His runs in from the flanks are getting better and he could well be a star for us this season.

Ade - 5 He was marshalled well today but he kept their defenders busy and occupied. He was not as bad as some are making out. He had a limited role under these tactics but did what he had to do.

Subs all came on and did their job.

Poch - 7.5 He knew that we could not afford to lose and lose badly. Good tactics. We had to graft out a result and we did and it shows he has the flexibility to make those decisions based on the opponent.

Arsenal - 7 They huffed and puffed but this was not a Rolls Royce performance but more of a economical class Mercedes trying to justify its class by pointing to the badge and saying - "..but I'm a Merc and I must be better than you. Aren't I...oops oh bugger." Their big game players didn't bring their A game with them and their Turkish opponents would have been smiling at how inept they were at times in getting past us. If anything, I think we paid them too much respect but looking at this from a psychological perspective, it was too early for us to come to the Emirates with a swagger after just getting off the mat ourselves. This is the softest looking Arse team in a while. I think we could beat them well at WHL in the return fixture if we can improve on our game and I know we will. COYS!

Good ratings there mate. Kaboul above Lloris for MOM for me and I'd put Ade at a 4 because he sauntered about right from the off and a Vice Captain should be setting the tone. I'd also mention Dier (8) who dealt extremely well with a load of stuff in a short space of time when he came on. Also Michael Oliver gets a 3 for getting completely carried away with his yellow card which was not necessary.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

The biggest revele

Before the match I was on about horses for courses and saying Poch was looking inflexible and a bit rigid in his setting out of the team . I was saying Mourinho , for instance adapts his team to the situation .

Poch (8) threw that back in my face , he does have other plans ,other strings to his bow. What a delight to do to somebody else what is so often done to us at home . To hear the frustrated moan from other team's fans ...particularly Arse fans .

That was the biggest revelation yesterday. Poch isn;t just another rigid AVB clone.. he can adapt and change to the situation... we have to give this man time

 

[jezz]

I've yet to see this Lamela talent that everyone on here keeps banging on about :/

Yeah them 6 assists were flukes.
Get your self to specspacers, it might help.

 

[eddiebailey]

Suspect it is not coincidence that our defenders look more comfortable playing counter-attacking game and this particular group of forwards more uncomfortable. Would have been a good game to have had some pace on the pitch, and someone who can hold the ball up.