Ratings vs Arsenal

[Bus-Conductor]

You love to exaggerate things for affect don't you.

The net result was anything but a shambles. They had 70% of the ball and we had the better clear cut chances, that's the long and short of it.

They struggled to play through us, that's just a fact. Stop debating the minutia and accept the fact that sometimes sitting a bit deeper, be it by design or not, can frustrate Arsenal and quick counter attacks can expose them.

We can go round and circles all day on this as to whether it was by design or not but answer me one question - did we have better clear cut openings in this game or last season's corresponding fixture? A simple answer, which game?

Why do you keep avoiding the point. It isn't about what our game plan was, it was how we implemented it. We had two clear cut chances. 3 shots on target. How the hell are you building a case about 90 minutes of football based on two events that lasted about 10 seconds ?

That's reductionism even by BG's "he has the most chances is the better team" standard. The pair of you might as well not bother watching whole games, you might as well just watch MOTD and decide who was the better team. It seems that nothing that happens in between either six yard box matters to you two.

 

[Mr Pink]

Why do you keep avoiding the point. It isn't about what our game plan was, it was how we implemented it. We had two clear cut chances. 3 shots on target. How the hell are you building a case about 90 minutes of football based on two events that lasted about 10 seconds ?

That's reductionism even by BG's "he has the most chances is the better team" standard. The pair of you might as well not bother watching whole games, you might as well just watch MOTD and decide who was the better team. It seems that nothing that happens in between either six yard box matters to you two.

I don't agree it was implemented in a piss poor manner, like you keep saying, because I believe it was part of the plan to sit deep, keeping a deep and compact shape to frustrate them. Which we did for large spells of the game. It wasn't perfect but it was effective in terms of denying them working real openings.

And MOTD beats a wet stat book by the way.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

And MOTD beats a wet stat book by the way.

Shots fired.

 

[Blake Griffin]

don't make me dig out the bc flow chart.

 

[Mr Pink]

don't make me dig out the bc flow chart.

Never saw that!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Never saw that!

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ratings-vs-man-utd.105485/page-14#post-3790321

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm just watching monday night football now and they showed their goal. Can someone explain the logic that Rose applies when deciding to leave Oxlade-Ch and instead stand on the line ?

 

[Mr Pink]

I'm just watching monday night football now and they showed their goal. Can someone explain the logic that Rose applies when deciding to leave Oxlade-Ch and instead stand on the line ?

Because he thinks Welbeck is going to strike it, so he darts to the line. Welbeck misses it of course and Oxlade is then free to smash it in.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ratings-vs-man-utd.105485/page-14#post-3790321

The BG football philosophy party political broadcast:


http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ratings-vs-man-utd.105485/page-14#post-3790336

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Because he thinks Welbeck is going to strike it, so he darts to the line. Welbeck misses it of course and Oxlade is then free to smash it in.

He makes the decision as Welbeck is already swinging at the ball, he's three yards from the line as Welbeck swings and misses.

I singled him out for praise, and generally I think he's shown good application this season so far, but I cannot figure out why he'd leave his man, who could be dangerous to go stand on the line when Welbeck was already swinging.

It's a daft decision.

 

[Mr Pink]

He makes the decision as Welbeck is already swinging at the ball, he's three yards front he line as Welbeck swings and misses.

I singled him out for praise, and generally I think he's shown good application this season so far, but I cannot figure out why he'd leave his man, who could be dangerous to go stand on the line when Welbeck was already swinging.

It's a daft decision.

Just looked like he was anticipating a Welbeck shot and darted to cover that part of the goal. Welbeck misses it spectacularly and OC is free to smash it in.

I really don't think I will look at it again though, we'll probably disagree to be honest!

 

[Disconosebleed]

He makes the decision as Welbeck is already swinging at the ball, he's three yards from the line as Welbeck swings and misses.

I singled him out for praise, and generally I think he's shown good application this season so far, but I cannot figure out why he'd leave his man, who could be dangerous to go stand on the line when Welbeck was already swinging.

It's a daft decision.

No it isn't, it's EXACTLY what he should have been doing in that situation.

https://t.co/Z3EoRN0Lsh

At the exact point Welbeck pulls his foot back to hit it, Rose darts back onto the line to cover the side of the goal Lloris can't get to, giving himself a decent chance at blocking or clearing it if it comes his way. You cannot possibly criticise him for not anticipating the unlikely sequence of events leading to Chamberlain receiving the ball.

Rose can only assume that Welbeck is going to make contact, what with him being a professional footballer, so staying on Chamberlain in case it came to him would have been a pretty stupid thing to do. It just so happened that due to a weird set of circumstances, it would have worked in this instance.

 

[Mr Pink]

No it isn't, it's EXACTLY what he should have been doing.

https://t.co/Z3EoRN0Lsh

At the exact point Welbeck pulls his foot back to hit it, Rose darts back onto the line to cover the side of the goal Lloris can't get to, giving himself a decent chance at clearing it if it comes his way. You cannot possibly criticise him for not anticipating the unlikely sequence of events leading to Chamberlain receiving the ball.

That's exactly how I recalled it.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Saw a few of our boys out last night in a club called libertine...Danny rose and Lennon completely smashed, did we have a day off today I wonder. Probably with game thurs.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

No it isn't, it's EXACTLY what he should have been doing in that situation.

https://t.co/Z3EoRN0Lsh

At the exact point Welbeck pulls his foot back to hit it, Rose darts back onto the line to cover the side of the goal Lloris can't get to, giving himself a decent chance at blocking or clearing it if it comes his way. You cannot possibly criticise him for not anticipating the unlikely sequence of events leading to Chamberlain receiving the ball.

Rose can only assume that Welbeck is going to make contact, what with him being a professional footballer, so staying on Chamberlain in case it came to him would have been a pretty stupid thing to do. It just so happened that due to a weird set of circumstances, it would have worked in this instance.

I don't agree, Vertonghen in marking Welbeck it's almost impossible for Welbeck to hit it toward the side of the goal Rose tries to cover, if Rose just marks his man there's no goal. And he isn't getting back to line in time to do anything about Welbeck's shot.

I agree it's an instinctive action I just don't think it was the right one.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Saw a few of our boys out last night in a club called libertine...Danny rose and Lennon completely smashed, did we have a day off today I wonder. Probably with game thurs.

Had the day off saturday most of them.

 

[beats1]

Saw a few of our boys out last night in a club called libertine...Danny rose and Lennon completely smashed, did we have a day off today I wonder. Probably with game thurs.

Footballers always have the day after the game, off as a rest day

 

[mpickard2087]

No way Rose deserves blame for the goal.

Individually Lamela is the one who does two bad things. The clearance and then he gets sucked in towards the ball when Naughton is already there, he needs to be occupying the space on the corner of the box to either block off the pass back inside or to be another barrier for the shot/cross that did come in. The whole team was pretty exhausted and had dropped really deep at that point though.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

No way Rose deserves blame for the goal.

Individually Lamela is the one who does two bad things. The clearance and then he gets sucked in towards the ball when Naughton is already there, he needs to be occupying the space on the corner of the box to either block off the pass back inside or to be another barrier for the shot/cross that did come in. The whole team was pretty exhausted and had dropped really deep at that point though.

I'm not absolving others from blame. But I find this happens a lot, Kaboul has done it on a couple of goals this season where instead of going to mark or tackle a man he's decided to take up a position to block a shot (Liverpool was one I think and he did it against West Brom but it wasn't finished).

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't agree, Vertonghen in marking Welbeck it's almost impossible for Welbeck to hit it toward the side of the goal Rose tries to cover, if Rose just marks his man there's no goal. And he isn't getting back to line in time to do anything about Welbeck's shot.

I agree it's an instinctive action I just don't think it was the right one.

BC, its ok to be wrong now and again you know.

That clip is about as conclusive as it gets. Why do you go to such extremes to prove you're not wrong about something all the time?