Ratings Vs QPR

MOM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dier

    Votes: 49 10.5%
  • Kaboul

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Verts

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Rose

    Votes: 11 2.4%
  • Bentaleb

    Votes: 3 0.6%
  • Capoue

    Votes: 43 9.2%
  • Chadli

    Votes: 93 19.9%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 12 2.6%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 245 52.4%
  • Adebayor

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Soldado

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    468

TaoistMonkey

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That's an amazingly obnoxious response to my critical-but-polite and considered post.

You really are an unpleasant, arrogant ****.

My disrespect for your mentality has now been joined by an intense dislike of you personally. Don't expect further politeness from me next time you open your big, self-justifying, monomanical, observation-averse, insight-free and long-winded gob.
I apologise for the music jibe. It was unnecessary.

But I stand by the rest. You're a pompous, sanctimonious, hypocritical windbag who likes to dish it out but can't take it.



Man I love "Hook". RIP RW.
 

Riandor

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Actually what I haven't read from anyone (though I didn't read the entire thread)... is no one seems to have stressed how good our team movement was AFTER we passed the ball.

The one thing I hated about us last few seasons and the England team, which I was highlighting to all and sundry during the WC... was the utter lack of movement from the person passing the ball.

Spurs and England were set up to pass the ball forward and then let that person do the same or to do something as an individual. All that results in is large gaps between the front, midfield and defence. Now the high line was supposed to mitigate this to some degree (with Spurs), but when the team had to defend it just ended up being stretched.

What the QPR game shows is a willingness by the whole team to pass and then MOVE into space, giving the person on the ball real options in multiple directions.

Mistakes will happen, sure, but by god it was what made Germany WC champions and is a philosophy that still seems to fall by the way side for so many teams. Pass and move as a whole team!!!

If we are going to play like that from now on, we will reap the rewards, i am sure of it.
 
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ClintEastwould

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Wow there Mr LG, lets wind back a little. Bale was not the best attacker outside Messi and Ronaldo before AVB got hold him. That is part of the point.



Where do you get 30 goals from, it was 24 ? yes, Dempsey had had a decent couple of season but in his three previous seasons having played 29,35 & 36 games had managed 6,7,7 league goals (which is what he did with us. Don't try and tell me Dempsey is a better footballer/forward than Lambert, because he isn't. Sigurdson scored 7. And he sure is shit isn't better than Lalana.



AVBdefinitely didn't get "prime" Adebayor, he got Adebayor with no pre-season, then injured, then with the hump because he was told off for wearing a hat.



He didn't have Lamela or Capoue for long did he ? And none of those players had kicked a ball in this country before, most were very young, this must be taken into account.


Ignoring all the what if's and but but but..the fact is we were interested in signing Lovren, Shaw, Lalana, Schneiderlin & Rodriguez. So they can't be too shabby.

Sure, Pochettino may have had a very positive influence on them, I wasn't out to do a hatchet job on the guy, I like his style (have some reservations but fundamentally like).

My over riding point was responding to a poster who said AVB was all about the negative risk aversion and Pochettino was pretty much the reverse.

I merely tried to demonstrate that this was not the case. That players these coach's often inherit, acquire or lose can drastically change this perspective and that there is clear evidence that AVB's goals and points tally (in the EPL with us but also Portugal) don't suggest this to be a truism. But I do believe he operated a more risk averse strategy than Pochettino, I just don't think this is necessarily a bad thing.
This a much better post than the 5/6 that preceded it. What was most infuriating about those posts was your attempts at severely downplaying Pochetinno's achievements while finding any excuse to firmly grasp onto the dwindling threads that were AVBs credibility.

Most people cant deny that AVB had some merits - on a results basis. But like has been said before, the football was boring at best, nauseatingly sleep inducing at worst. AVB couldn't produce an attacking display worth the tip of my pinky in 18 months compared to the QPR performance and Pochettino did it in 3 games. Of course results have a big say in the stake of claims, and I'm sure that is probably the be all and end all with you (probably didn't bat an eyelash at Dawson's transfer). But if you really believe that AVB's spurs and Pochetinno's saints had comparable squads, well then..
 

Khilari

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What's strange about this rather unpleasant thread is that both DM and BC make extremely valid points, which if you combine probably comes close to representing reality; a happy medium somewhere in between their relative positions.

AVB was not terrible, neither was he very good at Spurs. I was a fan of AVB after he was appointed (but didn't want him beforehand) hoping his tactical nous would help us adapt against different opposition. Sadly for him, he wasn't backed adequately in the transfer market and neither did his tactics adapt sufficiently to help us cope with teams enjoying their football.

I don't think any of the players regularly playing had a problem with AVB as a person but some seemed to have lost confidence in his ability to conceive a plan to win.

For a tasty meal, one needs most (if not all) of the ingredients and everything needs to be properly cooked. Our recent policy of semi-backing a manager has not worked. I hope with this 5-year contract award for MP, we will back him and trust in him even when it is seemingly not going to plan.
 

Gilzeanking

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Ooooff ... never seen BC so nasty , apologised , but still . A&C made right decision tho imo , we don't want to lose him.

I feel sorry for BC in a way . Its a question of where you live time wise. For me BC lives in the future in his ratings , he's firmly concentrating on our imperfections in the ongoing process of us becoming champions . Even tho we klonked QPR , he prioritises the defeat by Liverpool next match (in his imagination) . It may happen ,it may not , but surely we need to live in the present a leetle bit more and , like the football fans that we are , feel the pleasure and promise of a good performance vs QPR....rather than focussing on the differences between us and Barca in their imperial phase .

We're here for fun right ?


RE the AVB stuff , I agree with the mods and many here , mebbe it is a tad old ...or inappropriate for a Spurs-QPR match rating thread . Start a new thread on it is my advice .
 

CowInAComa

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Ooooff ... never seen BC so nasty , apologised , but still . A&C made right decision tho imo , we don't want to lose him.

I feel sorry for BC in a way . Its a question of where you live time wise. For me BC lives in the future in his ratings , he's firmly concentrating on our imperfections in the ongoing process of us becoming champions . Even tho we klonked QPR , he prioritises the defeat by Liverpool next match (in his imagination) . It may happen ,it may not , but surely we need to live in the present a leetle bit more and , like the football fans that we are , feel the pleasure and promise of a good performance vs QPR....rather than focussing on the differences between us and Barca in their imperial phase .

We're here for fun right ?


RE the AVB stuff , I agree with the mods and many here , mebbe it is a tad old ...or inappropriate for a Spurs-QPR match rating thread . Start a new thread on it is my advice .
Bruised ego due to his loudly stated convictions being royally and publicly wrecked in 3 games. Lashing out like a cornered mole.

Can we have no hold barred AvB fight thread for people to vent?
 

Dan Yeats

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AVB was not terrible, neither was he very good at Spurs. I was a fan of AVB after he was appointed (but didn't want him beforehand) hoping his tactical nous would help us adapt against different opposition. Sadly for him, he wasn't backed adequately in the transfer market and neither did his tactics adapt sufficiently to help us cope with teams enjoying their football.
I was also well behind AVB, way up to the point (and past it tbh...) when most had lost all confidence in him. But I don't think it was transfer backing that was his downfall, but his stubbornness when it came to tactics. He seemed to be totally deaf and blind to the tactical changes required, instead holding religiously to his imaginary model of the 'perfect' way of playing.

One of the encouraging things I've seen from Poch in the 1st outings is a bit more flexibility. He's touted as a manager that also wants high pressing, but against West Ham the team sat back a lot more than they would have under AVB - presumably because Poch recognised that the ball over the top was their biggest threat. I think AVB has a vision of a perfect strategy that will always work, whereas Poch (hopefully) understands that he needs to adapt the style depending on the opposition and the players at his disposal.
 

Khilari

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I was also well behind AVB, way up to the point (and past it tbh...) when most had lost all confidence in him. But I don't think it was transfer backing that was his downfall, but his stubbornness when it came to tactics. He seemed to be totally deaf and blind to the tactical changes required, instead holding religiously to his imaginary model of the 'perfect' way of playing.

One of the encouraging things I've seen from Poch in the 1st outings is a bit more flexibility. He's touted as a manager that also wants high pressing, but against West Ham the team sat back a lot more than they would have under AVB - presumably because Poch recognised that the ball over the top was their biggest threat. I think AVB has a vision of a perfect strategy that will always work, whereas Poch (hopefully) understands that he needs to adapt the style depending on the opposition and the players at his disposal.
And isn't that crazy? Because we went from Harry Redknapp 'gung-ho' 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 type wing play with little else as a plan b to AVB who was touted as a 'tactical technician', perhaps only in my mind.

I thought he would come with his notepad and complex diagrams of who should do what in every conceivable scenario, or his so-called 'situation based training'. But I saw no variation to his play, simply replacement of like-for-like players to see if they could make a difference.
 

Mr Pink

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Could be. I'm not pessimistic but Liverpool have some cracking players in Gerrard, Sterling, Coutinho and are likely to have a lot more possession than QPR...our defensive game which wasn't tested this week will be next week and our midfield will really have to put the work in...I think it'll be a close game but we can't get too carried away after Sunday and it won't surprise me if we come up a bit short...
I don't think anyone is getting carried away though.

And whilst Liverpool will be a much tougher test to come through, no matter the result, its still very early days.

Now I might be wrong about this, concerning your previous post and teams playing 3-5-2 against Stronger opposition are naive etc, but didn't Hull play 3-5-2 against us last season?

I can't remember if they did, but we played them twice at WHL which was 180 minutes of complete cack from our point of view.

All this down playing regarding QPR's formation and lack of pressure when we are on the ball...we still would not of seen that tempo and urgency, on and off the ball, the movement etc..last season under AVB.

So yes - QPR were poor. But the difference is we wern't poor as well - often the case last season in many of the respects I've cited.

There's a distinct difference there.

It stood out like a sore thumb.
 

Gilzeanking

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Gotta be honest I'm having loads of big laffs in this thread , this page in fact .

Bear with 'Its 10 am and we've all had a drink '

Then 'Who's better Poch or AvB (runs) '

Gif above from faymantary..

Great stuff :ROFLMAO:
 
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