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And the prosecution rests its case m’lord.
Match Ratings Ratings vs West Ham
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And the prosecution rests its case m’lord.
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You seem to stick in a blind mode when you dont fancy a player. How on earth can you say that Aurier didn't offer anything offensively when he was responsible for starting most of our chances which we squandered? The chances didnt seem tangible because our forwards fucked up!
matthew.absurdum
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Son is really amazing. His attitude is prefect when everyone else are dejected. Keep trying. Really want him to be with us with a longer time
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Bus-Conductor
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Forgive me Bullet, I must have missed the actual real chances of quality that Aurier created that our forwards fucked up, perhaps you could remind me?
BringBack_leGin
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Lamela got an assist
West Ham are a stain on football.
Ah a bit like when Carroll assisted Bale v West Ham then ha.
Yes, West Ham and their fans can fuck off.
BringBack_leGin
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The header across to Kane who’s first touch them deserted him?
mpickard2087
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Obviously it's a difficult task. We played just 48 hours ago, and we're faced with a team who had no interest in leaving their penalty area and had put the brick wall up. We did huff and puff, you cant really fault the effort of the players, I just don't think what we are doing in these types of games is enough to challenge teams across the 90 mins, ask enough questions, and create top quality chances. Even if we had won that say 2-0, I'd think the same.
In general our play needs to be sharper. As I said at half time... We aren't passing it well enough, we aren't moving well enough to offer options for the man on the ball, there's a lack of vision out there, players take too many touches - this is the real killer, even if they eventually do something good with the ball - and all this just leads to a lack of tempo and zip in our game. That happens and you do just go from side to side and struggle for any concerted pressure.
And as I also said in the match thread, I think this team really needs to evolve its attacking structures and pattern play which would help in these games. To go with the slight 'faults' I mentioned previously we lack a bit tactically with the ball - small groups of players for instance who are working in sync and interchanging and interlinking. Look at the flanks for instance, how many times did the ball get worked towards the left but both Son and Davies were inside and so no one was there to be slipped in on the overlap? But then on the right, frequently we try to work the ball to Aurier, but Sissoko has blindly charged out there, dragged a man over with him, and killed his team mates space... And they're just the most obvious examples I can give. I do think we need to strive to have better structures in place to fall back on and as a unit read the game better at times and work more harmoniously.
You can point the finger at individuals, but ultimately that tactical direction comes from Poch and it's on him to keep improving the team. I was also disappointed in him tonight how late he made the subs. He waited until he was forced into it, rather than being proactive and doing something about a cm2 that just wasn't working.
People might point to the stats, the bad luck of their strike out of the blue, and that we had enough scrappy chances to win.... But across 90 mins, I honestly don't think we produced enough real quality moments and so you're always asking for trouble when it comes to the result.
Lloris - First instinct for the goal was that no shot from any distance/angle should have crept past him inside the post.... I dunno. Made a decent save towards the end though.
Aurier - One of more competent performers.
Sanchez - A few dodgy moments and struggled a little to thread passes up pitch. Not helped by what was happening in front of him though.....
Vertonghen - Pretty solid game. Also struggled to move the ball up the pitch.
Davies - Meh.
Dier - 50% of the midfield black hole.
Sissoko - 50% of the midfield black hole.
Eriksen - The one light in amongst possession-ball mediocrity. The only one capable of finding space between the lines. The only one capable of threading passes through the lines. He cant do it all himself, every single time though.
Alli - Too many touches, too slow.
Son - Thanks for the goal, but too many touches and too slow.
Kane - Lets be honest, offered the square root of fuck all other than to pop up occasionally and barbecue a half chance.
Subs:
Wanyama - A bit rusty a couple of times.
Lamela - Ok.
Llorente - The usual. Came on, we largely refused to put any crosses in the box and thus he becomes redundant.
In general our play needs to be sharper. As I said at half time... We aren't passing it well enough, we aren't moving well enough to offer options for the man on the ball, there's a lack of vision out there, players take too many touches - this is the real killer, even if they eventually do something good with the ball - and all this just leads to a lack of tempo and zip in our game. That happens and you do just go from side to side and struggle for any concerted pressure.
And as I also said in the match thread, I think this team really needs to evolve its attacking structures and pattern play which would help in these games. To go with the slight 'faults' I mentioned previously we lack a bit tactically with the ball - small groups of players for instance who are working in sync and interchanging and interlinking. Look at the flanks for instance, how many times did the ball get worked towards the left but both Son and Davies were inside and so no one was there to be slipped in on the overlap? But then on the right, frequently we try to work the ball to Aurier, but Sissoko has blindly charged out there, dragged a man over with him, and killed his team mates space... And they're just the most obvious examples I can give. I do think we need to strive to have better structures in place to fall back on and as a unit read the game better at times and work more harmoniously.
You can point the finger at individuals, but ultimately that tactical direction comes from Poch and it's on him to keep improving the team. I was also disappointed in him tonight how late he made the subs. He waited until he was forced into it, rather than being proactive and doing something about a cm2 that just wasn't working.
People might point to the stats, the bad luck of their strike out of the blue, and that we had enough scrappy chances to win.... But across 90 mins, I honestly don't think we produced enough real quality moments and so you're always asking for trouble when it comes to the result.
Lloris - First instinct for the goal was that no shot from any distance/angle should have crept past him inside the post.... I dunno. Made a decent save towards the end though.
Aurier - One of more competent performers.
Sanchez - A few dodgy moments and struggled a little to thread passes up pitch. Not helped by what was happening in front of him though.....
Vertonghen - Pretty solid game. Also struggled to move the ball up the pitch.
Davies - Meh.
Dier - 50% of the midfield black hole.
Sissoko - 50% of the midfield black hole.
Eriksen - The one light in amongst possession-ball mediocrity. The only one capable of finding space between the lines. The only one capable of threading passes through the lines. He cant do it all himself, every single time though.
Alli - Too many touches, too slow.
Son - Thanks for the goal, but too many touches and too slow.
Kane - Lets be honest, offered the square root of fuck all other than to pop up occasionally and barbecue a half chance.
Subs:
Wanyama - A bit rusty a couple of times.
Lamela - Ok.
Llorente - The usual. Came on, we largely refused to put any crosses in the box and thus he becomes redundant.
Bus-Conductor
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The header across to Kane who’s first touch them deserted him?
pffttt...
yusrisafri
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Spot on regarding this. Very frustrating!!!
fortworthspur
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Id forgotten how boring Moyes is - I dont remember the last time I saw a team make so little effort to win a game. Im really upset with Sissoko - I forgot he was on the pitch for the first 20 minutes or so and his lackadaisical closing down allowed Obiang's strike. But really he should have been off at the half. I cant remember criticizing Poch before but Sissoko offered nothing today and that was evident early.
Everyone else was ok.
Everyone else was ok.
fortworthspur
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beautiful 50 yard ball from Verts or Dier on an Aurier run that Aurier headed across the box to Kane, who's first touch let him down. And Kane was unmarked.
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Somebody tell me what Poch was supposed to do today? Dembele, Winks and Wanyama weren’t fit to play the full 90. Rose was out. He played the best lineup he had available.
We didn’t play well but we didn’t play poorly either. We out shot them 31 to 3. Kane and Alli both had opportunities to score but bad first touches prevented them from doing so. Aurier put just a touch too much on a header or Kane scores. We had the ball ping pong around in their box about 57 times never falling our way. Any other day we score 3 or 4.
It wasn’t a “defensive masterclass” by Spam. We just got unlucky. It happens. Poch has gotten some things wrong this year but this match wasn’t one of them.
We didn’t play well but we didn’t play poorly either. We out shot them 31 to 3. Kane and Alli both had opportunities to score but bad first touches prevented them from doing so. Aurier put just a touch too much on a header or Kane scores. We had the ball ping pong around in their box about 57 times never falling our way. Any other day we score 3 or 4.
It wasn’t a “defensive masterclass” by Spam. We just got unlucky. It happens. Poch has gotten some things wrong this year but this match wasn’t one of them.
SpursSince1980
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Completely agree with this. It's incredibly frustrating to be a regular ol fan, and can tell, without a shadow of doubt, that the team he selected was awful. It was clear as day. David Moyes must have been so pleased to see a CM of Sissoko and Dier. And a team full of players likely exhausted from playing on a rain soaked field two days ago. All they had to do was sit back and defend against a very slow, tired team. Not for the first time this year, Poch has totally fucked up thenteam selection and in game management. Love, love, love him.... But today was oddly poor... Borderline stupid.
fortworthspur
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[QUOTE="ravenspurs, post: 5716005, member: 27855"]Somebody tell me what Poch was supposed to do today? Dembele, Winks and Wanyama weren’t fit to play the full 90. Rose was out. He played the best lineup he had available.
We didn’t play well but we didn’t play poorly either. We out shot them 31 to 3. Kane and Alli both had opportunities to score but bad first touches prevented them from doing so. Aurier put just a touch too much on a header or Kane scores. We had the ball ping pong around in their box about 57 times never falling our way. Any other day we score 3 or 4.
It wasn’t a “defensive masterclass” by Spam. We just got unlucky. It happens. Poch has gotten some things wrong this year but this match wasn’t one of them.[/QUOTE]
bring on Lamela for Sissoko at half time, instead of after they scored. Ive defended Sissoko plenty this year but he wasnt at the races today and ultimately culpable for their goal. I honestly believe the reason Sissoko was so deep is because Poch recognized this and pushed Dier a little forward. If you realize that why not put Lamela forward and keep Dier back?
We didn’t play well but we didn’t play poorly either. We out shot them 31 to 3. Kane and Alli both had opportunities to score but bad first touches prevented them from doing so. Aurier put just a touch too much on a header or Kane scores. We had the ball ping pong around in their box about 57 times never falling our way. Any other day we score 3 or 4.
It wasn’t a “defensive masterclass” by Spam. We just got unlucky. It happens. Poch has gotten some things wrong this year but this match wasn’t one of them.[/QUOTE]
bring on Lamela for Sissoko at half time, instead of after they scored. Ive defended Sissoko plenty this year but he wasnt at the races today and ultimately culpable for their goal. I honestly believe the reason Sissoko was so deep is because Poch recognized this and pushed Dier a little forward. If you realize that why not put Lamela forward and keep Dier back?
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