Simple Harry Vote - Yes or No?

[Jenko]

Er um, mmmm, lordy lordy, No. Just fancy a change is all, I think....

 

[Qualsonic]

Still an exact split at 141 to 141!

 

[StartingPrice]

Still an exact split at 141 to 141!

And I haven't cast my vote yet - does that mean I hold the balance of power?
I'm waiting to join the winning side

 

[JimmyG2]

And I haven't cast my vote yet - does that mean I hold the balance of power?
I'm waiting to join the winning side

I haven't voted yet. I am waiting for you to vote so that I can do the opposite.
Blink damn you.

 

[StartingPrice]

I haven't voted yet. I am waiting for you to vote so that I can do the opposite.
Blink damn you.

Pistols at dawn!

Though what Dawn has done, I don't kow...if I were her, I'd start running

 

[JimmyG2]

Pistols at dawn!

Though what Dawn has done, I don't kow...if I were her, I'd start running

Pistols? That's a bit over dramatic surely.
It is Shirley isn't it?
Can we make it best of five penalties?
I'll take mine against one of my grandchildren
in full Iker Casillas strip, he's eight and quite good
and let you know how I get on.

 

[StartingPrice]

Pistols? That's a bit over dramatic surely.
It is Shirley isn't it?
Can we make it best of five penalties?
I'll take mine against one of my grandchildren
in full Iker Casillas strip, he's eight and quite good
and let you know how I get on.

Can I take mine against Neuer and plant Bastian PigSticker into Club Jimmy as Fifth Column?

 

[sloth]

I think this thread is proof enough that there is no 'simple' yes or no to the Harry debate.

I would like to see a top manager with this group of players who are the best I've seen at Spurs and think are certainly comparable to City and United (Utd especially), and with the excellent way we are run I think the potential for our club is huge. With a new stadium in the pipeline, London based which is a huge draw, a fine history to look back on that has always kept our profile around Europe there even in dark times then I don't think it is particularly some rampant, blinding sense of entitlement to believe we should be aiming to take this club to the stars.

Now that's where I don't think Harry fits in I'm afraid, although it would be madness to suggest that he hasn't been generally a force for good at Spurs, I just think the higher we've crept the flaws in his approach have been magnified, the fine lines that top coaches and managers habitually find themselves on the better side of H doesn't. This isn't particularly a criticism, it's saying I think Redknapp has possibly reached the ceiling of his career that his approach was likely to take him, and leading an EPL team to the top 4 twice, the CL QFs, 2 Fa Cup Semis and a CC Final is testament to that. That's not bad, it's very good - most people on this forum will never make it the same level, comparatively, in their careers and many of those will consider that they have had a good career - which they probably have. We're talking about 'best' and 'next best' here, not 'great' and 'shit'.

And that's the dilemma, stick or twist. Stick with Harry and you know what you're going to get, twist and we could bomb, but we could also announce ourselves at the top table and stay there - although in the EPL you get the impression that a billionaire is required to help with that harsh reality that is money.

I agree with most of that, but not about his relative achievements in his career. His biggest hurdle was becoming a Pro-footballer, that's where he'll stand out compared to what any of us achieve in our careers. As a manager though he's basically been Mr Average. Ten years at a League One club, and he left them where he found them, with a single promotion and relegation along the way. After that he's enjoyed a promotion (as division champions), a relegation, and an FA Cup. He's alienated fans, colleagues, employers along the way. Shown himself to be a self-serving tit of the worst kind. Got his mates the sack. Decided that running a club in the way Wenger has with Arsenal where keeping an eye on the budget, and working with the chairman to do it, is not for him, better do use restraints as ways to get the excuses in early, and stick pressure on the employers with your mates in the media to over-spend. Basically he's never over-achieved in his life, not at a single club he's been at, at best he's been average, and sometimes he's been worse than that.

I actually think Rednapp needs a regular kick up the arse to keep him focused. The last thing he should be given is a long-term contract. Now that the England job is no longer an option THFC is probably the best option he has. I am of course assuming that Hodgson doesn't get sacked after the Euros and that Chelsea aren't interested. Stranger things have happened. Levy needs to make 'Arry sweat blood. Redknapp is an excellent manager. He just needs to be kept on a tight leash.

'Arry for one more season to steady the ship and finish top 4/CL, after which a 5 year plan with Lambert + Director of football. 'Arry doesn't do loyalty (to be fair no-one does) and he shouldn't be shown any.

I've not seen anything in Lambert's philosophy or method that suggests he can make it at the top level. He reminds me a lot of Pulis or Allardyce, in that he has a very detailed approach, but his teams are all about football by percentages. Lot's of long balls into dangerous areas, a focus on getting players up in support, lots of work on set-pieces, etc. etc. the point isn't that Lambert's shit, or even that he's only got this one way of playing, but that we've seen no sign yet that he can do it any other way. Villa would suit him, and we'll get a better idea of his talent when he's there, but my prediction is that he'l stick to the old-school long-ball approach.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Performance aside, i don't wnat him to be manager of Spurs due to his attitude and personality.

 

[brasil_spur]

I'm torn, but purely as i think we need a fresh approach to player transfers and training and because we have a great squad already in place that a new manager can work well with i'm going for the Harry out option. But i'm not going to be annoyed if he's still here come next season.

 

[Allen]

I'd be happy if he wasn't...

 

[DJS]

Grass ain't always greener...

 

[DJS]

Grass ain't always greener...

 

[SpurSince57]

161 people really do deserve to have Ramos back.

 

[Dare!]

Yes.

 

[StartingPrice]

161 people really do deserve to have Ramos back.

154 people really do deserve to see us getting within touching distance of cementing ourselves in the top 4 and then collapsing in the final third of the season AGAIN

 

[SpurSince57]

154 people really do deserve to see us getting within touching distance of cementing ourselves in the top 4 and then then collapsing in the final third of the season AGAIN

But never mind that we've achieved two of the five fourth places we've managed in our entire existence under Harry, and, I'm pretty sure, our fifth and sixth best points totals ever. As I've pointed out in a couple of other threads, this is as good as Spurs have been in the league since Nicholson's first five seasons, our second-best spell ever. But Jol and Harry just aren't flavour-of-the-month enough for some of our supporters, it seems.

 

[DuDe]

I think the 155th vote is from Brendan Rodgers.

 

[StartingPrice]

But never mind that we've achieved two of the five fourth places we've managed in our entire existence under Harry, and, I'm pretty sure, our fifth and sixth best points totals ever. As I've pointed out in a couple of other threads, this is as good as Spurs have been in the league since Nicholson's first five seasons, our second-best spell ever. But Jol and Harry just aren't flavour-of-the-month enough for some of our supporters, it seems.

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ, sense of humour bypass, much!
I haven't voted, for precisely the reasons you have given, and I am not fretting horribly at the idea of Mr Redknapp being in charge next season.

At the same time, the Redknapp loyalists who WILL NOT accept any criticism at all, are pathetic...PATHETIC! He took his eye off the ball, horribly, and it has really cost us (and I am talking multiples of ten million pounds and, in all likelihood losing at least one of our best players). And, being in the position we were in, it was quite realistic to up our expectations in January, and by that criterion, he failed - I know seeveral other posters have made several posts on this, previously, and it is hardly a difficult concept to grasp.

We are thankful for what he has achieved, but, FFS, get off your high horse, he isn't immune to criticism and, bluntly, he bluddy well deserves some for his performance in the final third of the season. He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

 

[SpurSince57]

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ, sense of humour bypass, much!
I haven't voted, for precisely the reasons you have given, and I am not fretting horribly at the idea of Mr Redknapp being in charge next season.

At the same time, the Redknapp loyalists who WILL NOT accept any criticism at all, are pathetic...PATHETIC! He took his eye off the ball, horribly, and it has really cost us (and I am talking multiples of ten million pounds and, in all likelihood losing at least one of our best players). And, being in the position we were in, it was quite realistic to up our expectations in January, and by that criterion, he failed - I know seeveral other posters have made several posts on this, previously, and it is hardly a difficult concept to grasp.

We are thankful for what he has achieved, but, FFS, get off your high horse, he isn't immune to criticism and, bluntly, he bluddy well deserves some for his performance in the final third of the season. He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

Really? That isn't the impression I get. And whoever said he was immune from criticism? Not I. We had a very poor nine-game run following the fiasco at the Immigrants, and whilst I think the players also need to hold up their hands, the buck stops with H. However, what's cost us the CL bonanza is Chelsea's fluking the bloody thing. We got fourth, which was probably our best realistic position at the start of the season, and achieved it with one of our best points totals ever. If some of our fans think that's a sacking matter, their wits are utterly fucked.