sunderland ditch martin o'neill...

[teok]

I think it just shines a light on football in this country.

There have been two players in the entire history of english football who have come out as being gay. One topped himself and the other quit.

This is in england which is supposedly a relatively progressive country in comparison to some places in europe.

The message given is that if you a fascist - well every one is entitled to their own beliefs, have a top management job. If you are gay - either don't come here or keep it quiet.

 

[dontcallme]

I think it just shines a light on football in this country.

There have been two players in the entire history of english football who have come out as being gay. One topped himself and the other quit.

This is in england which is supposedly a relatively progressive country in comparison to some places in europe.

The message given is that if you a fascist - well every one is entitled to their own beliefs, have a top management job. If you are gay - either don't come here or keep it quiet.

I hope you're joking.

Fashanu was 20 years ago and Rogers said he never came out as a player because he didn't want to be a pioneer for gay footballers. Never said he was abused or anything.

In football, as in most things there are laws and codes of conducts to follow.

Di Canio would not be allowed to racially abuse anyone, air controversial political views, have any race related policies etc. If his actions are inappropriate then he will be punished.

Don't want to live in a country where people aren't allowed beliefs that are different.

 

[teok]

I think you are missing my point. Do you think that those two were the only gay footballers ever to play in the english leagues? If not why haven't more come out?

You say "Don't want to live in a country where people aren't allowed beliefs that are different." But clearly being gay isn't accepted in the football community. This isn't an opinion it's a fact.

 

[dontcallme]

I think you are missing my point. Do you think that those two were the only gay footballers ever to play in the english leagues? If not why haven't more come out?

You say "Don't want to live in a country where people aren't allowed beliefs that are different." But clearly being gay isn't accepted in the football community. This isn't an opinion it's a fact.

Being gay isn't a belief. Believing in elements of fascism is. If someone wants to believe being gay is acceptable, fascism is the right way to govern a country, 9/11 was a conspiracy, the Jews control everything or whatever then I really don't care. As long as they conduct themselves in a suitable way then they are free to believe whatever they want.

 

[teok]

Being gay isn't a belief. Believing in elements of fascism is. If someone wants to believe being gay is acceptable, fascism is the right way to govern a country, 9/11 was a conspiracy, the Jews control everything or whatever then I really don't care. As long as they conduct themselves in a suitable way then they are free to believe whatever they want.

I'm not even sure what your point is here? "If someone wants to believe being gay is acceptable, fascism is the right way to govern a country, 9/11 was a conspiracy, the Jews control everything".

So believing being gay is acceptable is like saying 9/11 was a conspiracy or the jews control every thing?

 

[dontcallme]

I'm not even sure what your point is here? "If someone wants to believe being gay is acceptable, fascism is the right way to govern a country, 9/11 was a conspiracy, the Jews control everything".

So believing being gay is acceptable is like saying 9/11 was a conspiracy or the jews control every thing?

No I'm saying whatever your beliefs they are yours. We all have different life experiences and come to different conclusions about things. Simply having that belief is not a sackable offence.

Acting on these beliefs if they are deemed unacceptable is what makes them sackable offences.

As a manager Di Canio hasn't said or done anything that warrants the negative media attention he is getting.

But sadly people like you think simple beliefs are something to be sacked over.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

No I'm saying whatever your beliefs they are yours. We all have different life experiences and come to different conclusions about things. Simply having that belief is not a sackable offence.

Acting on these beliefs if they are deemed unacceptable is what makes them sackable offences.

As a manager Di Canio hasn't said or done anything that warrants the negative media attention he is getting.

But sadly people like you think simple beliefs are something to be sacked over.

wumming much? or just stupid?

 

[dontcallme]

wumming much? or just stupid?

Considering he's advocating for Di Canio to not have a job based on him saying he's a fascist 8 years ago I'd say it's a fair analysis of what he's arguing.

 

[teok]

No I'm saying whatever your beliefs they are yours. We all have different life experiences and come to different conclusions about things. Simply having that belief is not a sackable offence.

Acting on these beliefs if they are deemed unacceptable is what makes them sackable offences.

As a manager Di Canio hasn't said or done anything that warrants the negative media attention he is getting.

But sadly people like you think simple beliefs are something to be sacked over.

I've never said di canio should be sacked. He clearly is approved by the community by his appointment. Do you seriously not understand my points about being gay in football? You have completely side stepped and avoided any chat about this?

You say you "Don't want to live in a country where people aren't allowed beliefs that are different." Being gay is "different". Thinking that being gay is acceptable is "different". But clearly not shared by the football community.

 

[dontcallme]

wumming much? or just stupid?

Also, we've all had a good debate so far so don't fuck it up by starting to call others stupid.

 

[dontcallme]

I've never said di canio should be sacked. He clearly is approved by the community by his appointment. Do you seriously not understand my points about being gay in football? You have completely side stepped and avoided any chat about this?

You say you "Don't want to live in a country where people aren't allowed beliefs that are different." Being gay is "different". Thinking that being gay is acceptable is "different". But clearly not shared by the football community.

There's already a thread on homosexuality in football. This thread is about MON getting sacked by Sunderland and Di Canio being appointed. I don't want the thread to get too sidetracked.

 

[teok]

There's already a thread on homosexuality in football. This thread is about MON getting sacked by Sunderland and Di Canio being appointed. I don't want the thread to get too sidetracked.

Your silence speaks volumes.

 

[dontcallme]

Your silence speaks volumes.

Why? Because I want a thread to stay on topic?

If it is that important to you, however irrelevant then I will answer it.

I think you are missing my point. Do you think that those two were the only gay footballers ever to play in the english leagues? If not why haven't more come out?

You say "Don't want to live in a country where people aren't allowed beliefs that are different." But clearly being gay isn't accepted in the football community. This isn't an opinion it's a fact.

I doubt they are the only 2 footballers to ever be gay.

I fully sympathise with any player who is gay. It can't be easy. But then I can't blame the clubs either. They have banned racist and homophobic chanting but I can't imagine any player wanting to come out.

A gay player would be singled out and would be subjected to abuse on the pitch, in the streets, on the internet and God knows where else. The police can arrest people, clubs can ban abusive fans but you can't control people's actions to the level required.

I believe most players would be fine with a gay player at their club and even the ones who aren't would be sensible enough to act appropriately because they wouldn't care enough to hurt their career over it.

Many fans would be ok but many would be abusive and think up songs with a hidden meaning that they can't be punished for.

This isn't England specific and I believe our authorities would deal with offences more seriously than many other countries. It's a minefield and most gay players would rather just keep their sexuality to themselves. As Rogers said: "who needs the hassle."

WTF this has to do with Di Canio saying he's a fascist though is beyond me.

 

[Spursking]

If he doesn't want to play black players, that is just tragic. They will not see many interesting matches there anymore, then.

 

[LSUY]

As a manager Di Canio hasn't said or done anything that warrants the negative media attention he is getting.

But life doesn't work like that. What you say in public stays with you for the rest of your life. In his autobiography Di Canio states he believes Mussolini to have been a "very principled, ethical individual" who was "deeply misunderstood". As far as I'm concerned someone who thinks Mussolini was ethical and misunderstood is an idiot. Mussolini's Italy handed people over to the SS and performed ethnic cleansing on the Slovenian people, wh.

Granted, he shouldn't be prevented from being a manager because of his political views (as long as it doesn't affect his work) but if he's going to say those things about Mussolini or do Roman salutes in public then he deserves the negative media attention for being a moron.

Personally I feel for Sunderland fans. I doubt the owners realise that a lot of Sunderland fans are socialist, they sing the Red Flag at games. On top of that I can't see Di Canio keeping them up. Going from League One to a Premier League relegation fight is a massive step up.

 

[ripley]

If he doesn't want to play black players, that is just tragic. They will not see many interesting matches there anymore, then.

This is so WTF??? on so many levels it's hard to believe one could even post this...

a) Please produce any evidence that diCanio has ever not played any player based on bias or prejudice.
b) Please produce scientific data to prove that one's skin colour equates interesting football...(your sexual fantasies do not count as scientific data btw).

 

[King of Otters]

Imagine coming into work every day knowing Martin O Neil is going to be waiting for you in his Poundland specs and 1990's training shorts.

Fuck, that would be depressing.

 

[dontcallme]

This is so WTF??? on so many levels it's hard to believe one could even post this...

a) Please produce any evidence that diCanio has ever not played any player based on bias or prejudice.
b) Please produce scientific data to prove that one's skin colour equates interesting football...(your sexual fantasies do not count as scientific data btw).

You are aware of who you were responding to don't you?

 

[tobi]

Why has their been a sudden uproar now? He hasn't just started managing in this country.

 

[Misfit]

Nobody gives a shit about Swindon probably. They can sell the fish wrapping faster and fill more time endlessly looping this insignificant story on the 24 hr news channels now he's hit the bright lights of Sunderland.

You'd think Eichmann had just risen from the grave and plopped his old chap on Madge's forehead or something.

Still, I dunno, what is the equivalent over here? The EDL/BNP or whatever? Might be wrong there so forgive me, just trying to find a parallel. Were a manager who openly supported either of those parties/movements appointed a prem manager, it would be kind of a big deal also.