The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 28/29th July

[mil1lion]

but how can a deal get to 90% when he now says avb doesn't like him?

it would help if the sc itks were posting on sc rather than on twitter as it's not always clear what they're saying.

Could it be that AVB had several potential Modric replacements in mind with Sahin being one of them. But his prefered choice has given him the green light so now he is prepared to pull the plug on Sahin? I'm sure we have fingers in many pies so to speak and maybe Sahin was very close, but another target (possibly Moutinho) has become closer and therefore we've backed away from Sahin?

Just a thought. I'm sure there are many things going on behind the scenes. We could be closer to a Modric replacement than we know.

 

[jedimonkey]

but how can a deal get to 90% when he now says avb doesn't like him?

it would help if the sc itks were posting on sc rather than on twitter as it's not always clear what they're saying.

But JJ hasn't said that AVB doesn't like Sahin, that is what people are interpreting it as. IMO AVB no likey means he doesn't like that the deal died when it was almost complete.

Would be good if JJ could clarify this though.

 

[PrettyColors]

How so? If he'd done an adie and said 100% then I could understand it.

As you know, 90% isn't 100%, it isn't a 'done deal' and whatever number JJ put on it, but it isn't an exact science, just his excitement talking and he made a mistake which he almost immediately put his hands up to.

As I said, I think what happened is that JJ got over excited, jumped the gun and then his 10% happened and smashed his back doors in. Hopefully he won't put a number on anything like that again.

Yeah that's a logical and reasonable response to it but something doesn't add up for me. How could it be 90% done if AVB doesn't like him? One would certainly hope that the manager's preference is not the last thing we do when conducting transfers. I'm not claiming to know the intricacies of football transfers but if an ITK says a deal is 90% done that should mean the manager has agreed to it. It just seems like JJ's info on this deal is rather conflicting so that's why I made the post.

But I agree with what you said; numbers like 9/10 should be left out of ITK. Also I agree with Blake Griffin's suggestion above me that it would be helpful for them to clarify. When he says AVB doesn't likee there's a chance he meant he doesn't like that the deal is off. Obviously we're taking it as he doesn't like Sahin but it's not the first bit of ITK where we had to make an educated guess as to the point of the post.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

but how can a deal get to 90% when he now says avb doesn't like him?

it would help if the sc itks were posting on sc rather than on twitter as it's not always clear what they're saying.

I have no idea. What I do know is everything an ITK says gets put under the microscope far too much and taken way too literally. 10%, 50%, 90%........meh. That was JJ's opinion and JJ's mistake. Or maybe AVB wanted him but someone he thought better has been offered. Maybe Sahin was offered and however far down the informational food chain JJ assumed AVB would go for it big time and passed it on to JJ..................Or maybe AVB doesn't like the fact that the Sahin deal has fallen through, or maybe this, or maybe that.

I agree about Twitter though

 

[Blake Griffin]

But JJ hasn't said that AVB doesn't like Sahin, that is what people are interpreting it as. IMO AVB no likey means he doesn't like that the deal died when it was almost complete.

Would be good if JJ could clarify this though.

why would he need to put avb no like if the deal had died? it's a given that the manager wouldn't like it if a deal had fallen through. to me it's pretty clear he's saying avb isn't a fan of sahin, there's already been quotes in the media to suggest this also.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Yeah that's a logical and reasonable response to it but something doesn't add up for me. How could it be 90% done if AVB doesn't like him? One would certainly hope that the manager's preference is not the last thing we do when conducting transfers. I'm not claiming to know the intricacies of football transfers but if an ITK says a deal is 90% done that should mean the manager has agreed to it. It just seems like JJ's info on this deal is rather conflicting so that's why I made the post.

But I agree with what you said; numbers like 9/10 should be left out of ITK. Also I agree with Blake Griffin's suggestion above me that it would be helpful for them to clarify. When he says AVB doesn't likee there's a chance he meant he doesn't like that the deal is off. Obviously we're taking it as he doesn't like Sahin but it's not the first bit of ITK where we had to make an educated guess as to the point of the post.

Yeah, you're right, there's plenty of ITK that leaves us filling in some gaps, but to be fair, if it were any other way we'd be sitting on Levy's lap, pointing at the contracts and saying 'sign here, then here and finally there'. It's probably the nature of the beast.

 

[Gbspurs]

A+C talking sense!!? What sorcery is this. Please stop this and got back to wife jokes!

 

[Berbatonghen]

Hate to say it but i got a feeling above all our views and debates i think Sahin himself does not fancy a move to us.

Hope im wrong.

 

[Tiffers]

Don't know why everyone is so worked up about not getting Sahin. He hardly played for Real last season so we can judge on recent performances. Also AVB and JM are mates and they possibly/probably discussed Sahin before AVB became our coach and JM may have told AVB what he really thinks about Sahin which is why AVB doesn't want him now.
And, as so many have suggested, Moutinho is AVB's preferred choice.

 

[Spurger King]

Could it be that AVB had several potential Modric replacements in mind with Sahin being one of them. But his prefered choice has given him the green light so now he is prepared to pull the plug on Sahin? I'm sure we have fingers in many pies so to speak and maybe Sahin was very close, but another target (possibly Moutinho) has become closer and therefore we've backed away from Sahin?

Just a thought. I'm sure there are many things going on behind the scenes. We could be closer to a Modric replacement than we know.

That's what I'm thinking too. If the Moutinho deal is a goer (and given his enthusiasm for working with AVB there's every reason to think it might be) it's perfectly reasonable for him to pass over the chance to get Sahin.

 

[paulcumpstone]

Don't know why everyone is so worked up about not getting Sahin. He hardly played for Real last season so we can judge on recent performances. Also AVB and JM are mates and they possibly/probably discussed Sahin before AVB became our coach and JM may have told AVB what he really thinks about Sahin which is why AVB doesn't want him now.
And, as so many have suggested, Moutinho is AVB's preferred choice.

I think the problem is people are worried we are going to start the season with 2 from 3 of Hudd, Jenas and Livermore none of which inspire me with any confidence and i for one don't believe any of them are more than squad players for a side aspiring for a top 4 place, isn't really people rating Sahin or Moutinho over each other, just a strong possiblity we end up with neither/nobody.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I think the problem is people are worried we are going to start the season with 2 from 3 of Hudd, Jenas and Livermore none of which inspire me with any confidence and i for one don't believe any of them are more than squad players for a side aspiring for a top 4 place, isn't really people rating Sahin or Moutinho over each other, just a strong possiblity we end up with neither/nobody.

I see what you're saying, but in the one season that we did qualify for CL football, Huddlestone played in 33 of those league games & was a VERY important part of what we achieved. Most of that was him playing alongside Modric, with Kranjcar out on the LW (after signing in January). I think it's safe to say that there are now better players in the squad, which could well compliment Thudds game even better.

He may not be a world-beater, but Huddlestone is perhaps worthy of a slightly better opinion than you have of him?

 

[Indisguise]

Hate to say it but i got a feeling above all our views and debates i think Sahin himself does not fancy a move to us.

Hope im wrong.

Agreed. He really doesn't seem overly keen on us, which is a shame, but who really knows?

You can be sure that behind the scenes, Mourinho, a master of manipulation, is pulling the strings and leading everyone into a merry dance that will utlimately end up suiting Mourinho and Madrid. He's probably putting pressure on a relucantant Sahin in order to get Modric on the cheap. He knows full well that he can get Sahin back in a year's time; probably an even better player for having had a season in the PL. If the deal is £27m and Sahin for a year then that's not going to be attractive enough to another master manipulator I could mention. It probably doesn't suit AVB for any number of reasons. Who can blame him for wanting Moutinho.

 

[paulcumpstone]

I see what you're saying, but in the one season that we did qualify for CL football, Huddlestone played in 33 of those league games & was a VERY important part of what we achieved. Most of that was him playing alongside Modric, with Kranjcar out on the LW (after signing in January). I think it's safe to say that there are now better players in the squad, which could well compliment Thudds game even better.

He may not be a world-beater, but Huddlestone is perhaps worthy of a slightly better opinion than you have of him?

you maybe right mate, I don't think hes a bad player but i do think the league has got harder since then and is probably more a combination of any of them 2 rather than the 3 individuals.

 

[felmani26]

Hate to say it but i got a feeling above all our views and debates i think Sahin himself does not fancy a move to us.

Hope im wrong.

But then he's hardly issuing a 'come and get me' plea to Arsenal or any other potential suitors either.

End of the day, would you be clamouring to leave a club like Madrid when you know you're a talent and haven't been able to showcase your potential through injury?!

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Agreed. He really doesn't seem overly keen on us, which is a shame, but who really knows?

You can be sure that behind the scenes, Mourinho, a master of manipulation, is pulling the strings and leading everyone into a merry dance that will utlimately end up suiting Mourinho and Madrid. He's probably putting pressure on a relucantant Sahin in order to get Modric on the cheap. He knows full well that he can get Sahin back in a year's time; probably an even better player for having had a season in the PL. If the deal is £27m and Sahin for a year then that's not going to be attractive enough to another master manipulator I could mention. It probably doesn't suit AVB for any number of reasons. Who can blame him for wanting Moutinho.

Well IF the talk of the last day or so is true, ie Mourinho now taking over & dealing with Mr Levy personally in an attempt to sort out a deal for Modric, I don't think we'll have too much to worry about mate. It's more than reasonably well documented that Mourinho & Mr Levy have a very good relationship, so each will be fully aware of what to expect from the other. If anything, should the story about Mourinho taking over negotiations be true, it'll actually be better for us.

 

[Montasura]

What I find frightening is the sheer amount of armchair managers who are so skeptical with their trust of a qualified football manager recently appointed by a smart chairman. I, for one, am happy to sit back and see what the rest of the transfer window brings before beginning to cast judgement on AVB and/or Levy.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

akqayid ‏@akqayid
This isn't 100% but Sturridge could be a goer....

Posted 3 mins ago.

Not overly impressed with Sturridge.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

you maybe right mate, I don't think hes a bad player but i do think the league has got harder since then and is probably more a combination of any of them 2 rather than the 3 individuals.

Oh I agree with you in respect that the league is perhaps harder. But the likes of United & Liverpoo are arguably weaker, the Chavs just seem to be buying without any thought for systems or keeping players happy etc, and City are just going to go from strength to strength. So although the league may be harder overall, I think our direct competition, except for City, are not as far away from us as they were back in 09/10. Arseanal have lost Nasri & Fibreglass since that season, and Van Rapist may not be too far behind. Us on the other hand, well I believe we're quite a bit better than we were in 09/10, because we're a more mature bonded unit (unlike most of those clubs I just mentioned) and we've added the quality of Sigurdsson, Vertonghen, potentially Adebayor, and who knows what else Mr Boas has up his sleeve?

I'm basically saying that although the league is tougher than it was when Huddlestone was an integral part of the season in which we qualified for CL football, we are better, and Huddlestone could potentially be surrounded by even better quality players than the likes of Crouch (replaced with Ade), Kranjcar (replaced by any of VdV, Sigurdsson,), Corluka replaced by Walker, Palacios replaced by Parker etc etc. Those new players could compliment Huddlestone's game even better than the team in which he excelled.

 

[Indisguise]

Well IF the talk of the last day or so is true, ie Mourinho now taking over & dealing with Mr Levy personally in an attempt to sort out a deal for Modric, I don't think we'll have too much to worry about mate. It's more than reasonably well documented that Mourinho & Mr Levy have a very good relationship, so each will be fully aware of what to expect from the other. If anything, should the story about Mourinho taking over negotiations be true, it'll actually be better for us.

More than likely Coopsie, but it's pure entertainment to think that they'll still be trying to get one over each other, good natured or otherwise.