The Daily ITK Discussion thread January 16th 2012

[Only 1 Spurs]

Everything you say is true but if you look at the cold, hard facts we have had six or seven transfer windows since we sold Berbatov and in all that time have managed to bring in one decent striker, on loan. Regardless of whether we know the ins and outs of what has gone on, it's pretty poor.

:clap::clap::clap: Well said we cannot deny that Levy has had plenty of time to replace that much needed striker, whats worse we must face Man City with our existing bench warmers that are not fancied any other time except for a 10-20 min run out when we need to force the issue!! both want to leave throw GDS in the mix and we have 3 of our 4 recognized first team strikers that want out!!.

I know its not a simple process Transfers are a bitch!! but Levy has had a while Redknapp obviously knows we need a striker, but as some have said maybe/prob Levy wants commitment from Harry that Harry isn't willing to give. The problem can only mean we will not go all out in the transfer market we will not get the striker we all want And it could turn out to be our downfall for 3rd even 4th!! ( i obviously hope not ).

 

[sunnydelight786]

KJH went for sensible £ from Meeeelan to Schalke, as did Ricky Van Wolswinkle from Holland to Sporting.....

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Pazzini
Vucinic
Suarez
Matri
Remy
Gameiro
Schurrle
Huntelaar
Soldado
Negredo
Cavani

are just some strikers/talented youngsters/players who have gone for not too much money in the past 2-3 years, off the top of my head.. There are players about, whom we could've speculated on to improve our forward line, or freshen it up with younger players who can still improve further.

We speculated on Berbatov to try and find a well priced gem. I love the manager and board, but where has been the next speculation to try and improve us up front ?

Giroud
Jovetic
Papiss Demba Cisse ( seems to be continuing to score )
Derdiyok
Doumbia ( might cost too much )
Barrios

are just a few that I can think of who wouldn't cost the earth, and would definitely freshen us up, if we got rid of Pav. It shouldn't be impossible to replace and improve upon Pav with a more hungry striker who could develop further

 

[bubble07]

lets just get Ba for 10mil and have done with it

 

[Bobbins]

I can't see Harry signing anyone who isn't a proven Premiership performer already.

 

[Kingellesar]

I can't see Harry signing anyone who isn't a proven Premiership performer already.

I agree, which unfortunately leaves us with very little to go for.

Tevez is unrealistic, can't afford fee, can't afford wages and City I doubt would be very keen on selling to us.

Ba is away at ACN for the next several weeks, plus if we happened to buy Adebayor too, that would give us two African strikers, not a great situation if both their respective teams required them when we needed them.

Berbatov will likely go to Leverkusen or somewhere, I can't see Ferguson willing to sell to anyone in the premier league, particularly us.

Arsenal, Chelsea, United and Man City will most likely not sell to us.

Liverpool need a striker themselves, Newcastle fans also seem to think they do too. That leaves 13 clubs left to pick a striker from. None of which I would fancy us getting because no one really has a striker who could come in and do a job for us.

 

[andyp8080]

this is all making me feel quite depressed

i am so happy with where we are in the league, but i fear we will one day regret not taking the chance to kick on from here

 

[spurslenny]

We are either....

Skint - due to spending on stadium planning, training ground, CL wages

Indecisive - between H and Levy, can't decide who would suit.

Wages - assuming we're after a higher calibre of player, wages might be beyond us.

Content - with what we have.

Or a mixture of the above.


But the fact remains, that we only own 2 senior strikers (JD and Pav), and that's ,frankly, pathetic for a team in a title/CL race.

 

[StartingPrice]

Leandro talk? Do you know for sure what conversations have taken place between Levy and the Inter president/chairman?

Look I get your point but a lot of this is totally based on assumptions, Chineses whispers, lazy journalism and at the end of the day is all completely speculative until you see it on the OS.

Yes we obviously have an interest in Leandro, for example, but we have no way of knowing what stage its at, and if anything is going to be concluded, or when....why get your're knickers in a knot about something when you arn't privy to the process?

:shrug: Wedgies get his freak on, perhaps mg:

 

[Johnny_Hotspur]

We are either....

Skint - due to spending on stadium planning, training ground, CL wages

Indecisive - between H and Levy, can't decide who would suit.

Wages - assuming we're after a higher calibre of player, wages might be beyond us.

Content - with what we have.

Or a mixture of the above.


But the fact remains, that we only own 2 senior strikers (JD and Pav), and that's ,frankly, pathetic for a team in a title/CL race.

We're Indecisively content on the skint Wages :up:

 

[RJ1882]

I agree, which unfortunately leaves us with very little to go for.

Tevez is unrealistic, can't afford fee, can't afford wages and City I doubt would be very keen on selling to us.

Ba is away at ACN for the next several weeks, plus if we happened to buy Adebayor too, that would give us two African strikers, not a great situation if both their respective teams required them when we needed them.

Berbatov will likely go to Leverkusen or somewhere, I can't see Ferguson willing to sell to anyone in the premier league, particularly us.

Arsenal, Chelsea, United and Man City will most likely not sell to us.

Liverpool need a striker themselves, Newcastle fans also seem to think they do too. That leaves 13 clubs left to pick a striker from. None of which I would fancy us getting because no one really has a striker who could come in and do a job for us.

There are plenty of strikers who could do a job for us. There might not be world class strikers available to us in the league, but there are strikers who could do a very decent job if required. It was mentioned in the press yesterday and many will laugh at it but Stephen Fletcher would be a useful addition (Crouch was a useful squad player to have. Not first team starter, but could mix it up when needed) Fletcher & Shane Long would be ideal targets to have in our squad for the rest of the season if we cant get who we want. Back up striker, who can score goals andputs a shift in. We could so with a bit of 'Ugly' up front.

Though I know, deep down inside, that the signing of Falque is a sign that we will loan another player, probably a striker, rather than buy anyone this window. Maybe even a loan swap with Pav.

 

[Bobbins]

I wish Dean Ashton was still playing.

 

[BigStu]

Unfortunately it comes down to wages. Most of the names being mentioned on here are on over £100k a week - our wage cap is around £80k. Add this to the 50% tax bracket in this country and most "big name" strikers won't want to come to us.

Seeing as most of the other managers in the premiership would kill for a 20 goal a season striker and probably shag their daughters for one that they could get for less than £80k a week I think it's fair to say that we might have a hard job finding one.

At the moment we have Adebayor and Defoe proven premiership scorers so anyone coming in will have to be better than them or for the future. And with recent history proving that most players struggle to adapt within their first year to the prem then I feel we should be looking at signings now for next season and afterwards. Yes I want to win the prem ( and the squad we have has given us a shot) but I would also like to see us in the CL for the next 5 years

 

[ajspurs]

Can't believe all the panic here. Transfer windows are so much more less stressful when you're not refreshing the ITK thread every second :lol:

Dunno about anyone else but I won't be massively bothered if we don't sign anyone :shrug: It's not as easy as some may possibly think. Although it's easy to say this now, because the one person who I think we need back up to is currenly fit (Adebayor) so if he got injured in all honesty I'd probably look back on this window and say why the hell didn't we sign anyone for when this happens, but I'm sure we are trying.

 

[dvdhopeful]

We are either....

Skint - due to spending on stadium planning, training ground, CL wages

Indecisive - between H and Levy, can't decide who would suit.

Wages - assuming we're after a higher calibre of player, wages might be beyond us.

Content - with what we have.

Or a mixture of the above.


But the fact remains, that we only own 2 senior strikers (JD and Pav), and that's ,frankly, pathetic for a team in a title/CL race.

Skint and wages are the two I'd go for. I don't think skint is quite right as I assume there is money there just not in the amounts some are expecting, such as £20m+ on one striker. If you don't have unlimited funds and are not reckless, what are you supposed to do if clubs won't take the money offered? People must also remember that there is a great deal of difference between listing players you assume to be getable for a reasonable price and the reality when we enquire about said players. If a player is deemed good enough to improve our first team (Which is what I presume we are looking at), they are going to be quality and hence teams aren't going to just let them go for 'reasonable' money - especially not in January.

We are third in the league, Harry is right when he says it is hard to upgrade the first team, we are sitting in 3rd, comfortably I might add, so where do you upgrade realistically? Only place I see it is 'Goals From The Side'. If you can find a player who can get 'Goals From The Side', create chances for others and play alongside Ade or on their own upfront, you are talking a quality player, which brings us back to the start and being 'skint' and 'wages'. Tevez, Remy, Cavani? All three would be that player, bidding would surely start at £20m, wages also would start at about 80k and that is being optimistic. Best of luck Danny.

 

[eddiev14]

...We speculated on Berbatov to try and find a well priced gem. I love the manager and board, but where has been the next speculation to try and improve us up front ?

Giroud
Jovetic
Papiss Demba Cisse ( seems to be continuing to score )
Derdiyok
Doumbia ( might cost too much )
Barrios

are just a few that I can think of who wouldn't cost the earth, and would definitely freshen us up, if we got rid of Pav. It shouldn't be impossible to replace and improve upon Pav with a more hungry striker who could develop further

I'd like us to try for this guy. I have friends in Montpellier and they tell me that he has been phenomenal for them this season. Plus he looks like he could lead the line well, and really wants a move to England.

The club president recently valued him at 30 million, but I'm told it was more said in jest as a reaction to reporters saying that he could be sold for £7 million.

I agree with the point made though. If the guy we bring in is going to play second fiddle to Ade, then we could do with someone a bit untested who might be a revelation - like Berba was.

It seems that all the more established players want wages we can't afford to pay anyway.

 

[Riandor]

2 weeks to go people... plenty of time yet. No player purchased in Jan was going to be ready for City game...

The season is a marathon, not a sprint.

Uh anything else?

Nop, good, move along. I am sure we will do some business, but ONLY if it makes sense. Replacing Pav with another Pav makes no sense for example.

R.

 

[dvdhopeful]

There are plenty of strikers who could do a job for us. There might not be world class strikers available to us in the league, but there are strikers who could do a very decent job if required. It was mentioned in the press yesterday and many will laugh at it but Stephen Fletcher would be a useful addition (Crouch was a useful squad player to have. Not first team starter, but could mix it up when needed) Fletcher & Shane Long would be ideal targets to have in our squad for the rest of the season if we cant get who we want. Back up striker, who can score goals andputs a shift in. We could so with a bit of 'Ugly' up front.

Though I know, deep down inside, that the signing of Falque is a sign that we will loan another player, probably a striker, rather than buy anyone this window. Maybe even a loan swap with Pav.

The players suggested are good players, Doyle, Long, Fletcher, but they are decent, they are squad players, nothing more. Do you want to go into, for example, the City game minus Ade, plus Fletcher? Coming out next season at the Nou Camp with Fletcher spearheading our attack?

And that is the issue, it isn't about getting a 'decent' striker, it is about getting someone a cut above. Pav is 'decent', Defoe is 'decent+'.

 

[StartingPrice]

2 weeks to go people... plenty of time yet. No player purchased in Jan was going to be ready for City game...

The season is a marathon, not a sprint.

Uh anything else?

Nop, good, move along. I am sure we will do some business, but ONLY if it makes sense. Replacing Pav with another Pav makes no sense for example.

R.

What has got folk so worked up already (other than previous experience Eek), is that we know Adebayor will be ineligible for the Citeh, and doubt either Defoe or Pav will be fitting as a replacement (somehow).

Than and a piece of ITK at the beginning of the window claiming that Redknapp was absolutely insistent that all transfers deals be done early in the window.

Oh, and the fact that they are a bunch of excitable big girlies blouses :wink:

 

[Paolo10]

The question is do they offer more than Pav.

All Pav offers is the odd goal, he's liable to do nothing the entire match besides it. No fight, no fire, CRAP in the air for someone of his size and shows little in the way of technique besides the odd occasion when he does smash one into the onion bag.

There are a LOT of players who could offer more to us than Pav, a LOT.