The let's not fire our manager thread

[dudu]

Has AVB fixed our defence? It seems to me that the fact that we are not conceding is correlated to fact that we are not creating. If we were playing more expansively we would be conceding more.

We created enough clear cut chances against newcastle to beat them

 

[eddiebailey]

We created enough clear cut chances against newcastle to beat them

Once we went a goal behind. So long as we don't concede. We cling onto possession until the opposition wear themselves out chasing the ball and then try and nick it at the death.

 

[dudu]

Once we went a goal behind. So long as we don't concede. We cling onto possession until the opposition wear themselves out chasing the ball and then try and nick it at the death.

If thats what you see our tactics as then fair enough. Im not here to try and change you mind. I just know thats not what i have seen. Boring slow build up play at times yes, but not that.

 

[eddiebailey]

Yes tht was an oversimplification. Anyway for what it is worth here is an article setting out AVB's football philosophy from when he took over at Chelsea:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ndre-Villas-Boass-footballing-philosophy.html

 

[CowInAComa]

I told you where it is coming from in the last post.

At the end of the day i dont expect you to see what i see, we are different people with different eyes and different brains processing what it is we are witnessing.

I obviously need to borrow your eyes. Ive only seen 9 goals with mine. The rest must be in infrared or something.

 

[dudu]

Yes tht was an oversimplification. Anyway for what it is worth here is an article setting out AVB's football philosophy from when he took over at Chelsea:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ndre-Villas-Boass-footballing-philosophy.html

Ive read this before! Thanks for re-posting though. Its clear he is an intelligent guy and has a strong idea of what he wants to achieve and how he wants to achieve it. Hopefully he can adapt his philosophies to our strengths and away from our weaknesses. I feel liek he did to a degree last year - our strength being Bale

If he cant then im not going to be shouting for him to stay - i just think he deserves more of a chance to prove what he can do with this team.

 

[dudu]

I obviously need to borrow your eyes. Ive only seen 9 goals with mine. The rest must be in infrared or something.

Cows eye sight is notoriously bad anyway.

How does the team smell to you?

 

[jambreck]

Ithink it was mmore to do with us chasing the game and being desperate for a goal rather than a taste of things to come

We didn't actually change the way we played. We just played at a higher tempo.

Which suggests to me that it isn't the tactics per se which are the issue.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Circulation: the retention of possession by passing from player to player without taking risks.

Risks are necessary for creating goals

 

[mill]

uote="jambreck, post: 3699594, member: 25506"]We didn't actually change the way we played. We just played at a higher tempo.

Which suggests to me that it isn't the tactics per se which are the issue.[/quote]
Well it's in Avb's control go up the tempo from the start rather than wait until we're losing and we seem to approach every game at a ridiculously slow tempo

 

[jambreck]

Has AVB fixed our defence? It seems to me that the fact that we are not conceding is correlated to fact that we are not creating. If we were playing more expansively we would be conceding more.

I disagree.

The principal reason why we are conceding far fewer goals (and chances) is because we are dominating possession far more than we did last season.

Not dissimilar to the Barcelona philosophy on defending.

 

[ohtottenham!]

I obviously need to borrow your eyes. Ive only seen 9 goals with mine. The rest must be in infrared or something.

Cows eye sight is notoriously bad anyway.

How does the team smell to you?

like cow dudu

 

[mill]

[que="jambreck, post: 3699601, member: 25506"]I disagree.

The principal reason why we are conceding far fewer goals (and chances) is because we are dominating possession far more than we did last season.

Not dissimilar to the Barcelona philosophy on defending.[/quote]
Be nice if we adopted even a quater or their attacking philosophy

 

[jambreck]

Be nice if we adopted even a quater or their attacking philosophy

It would be nice if we had their quartet of attacking players!

P.S. Why are you so shit at quoting?

 

[Lighty64]

You make agood point, but no team scores on every opportunity. Let's be honest, we can find individual games or moments to prove any point.

The slow play and build up which makes most of our attacks turn into shots from outside the box, is down to AVB. I believe wh have had the highest number of shots this season, and almost the lowest goals! That is tactics and formation.

AVB needs to change something, and quick.

I read this so often on SC, and i'm trying to work out how playing faster against an 11 man defence will make any difference. the only thing playing faster would do is make us more error prone and put our high line under pressure.

what we need is to get our lucky break early on in a match. we have only scored in the EPL 3 goals in the 1st half, 2 of those games we went on to win 2-0.

we have had chances in every game, and the ops keepers have been a lot busier than Lloris most matches, and Krul's amazing game on another day could of been a mare.

I have also seen mentioned in threads that we are boring teams in to submission, it takes 2 to tango. the ops are the boring team for not trying to win a match, with exception of Arscum, Wet Spam whose 1st goal was a lucky break, and looks like we were hit on counter for the next 2, and Newcastle who took advantage of Friedel being our sweeper keeper.

as I said we need to get an early break on these teams that park the bus, then see if they give us the space to attack faster.

 

[hodsgod]

I read this so often on SC, and i'm trying to work out how playing faster against an 11 man defence will make any difference. the only thing playing faster would do is make us more error prone and put our high line under pressure.

what we need is to get our lucky break early on in a match. we have only scored in the EPL 3 goals in the 1st half, 2 of those games we went on to win 2-0.

we have had chances in every game, and the ops keepers have been a lot busier than Lloris most matches, and Krul's amazing game on another day could of been a mare.

I have also seen mentioned in threads that we are boring teams in to submission, it takes 2 to tango. the ops are the boring team for not trying to win a match, with exception of Arscum, Wet Spam whose 1st goal was a lucky break, and looks like we were hit on counter for the next 2, and Newcastle who took advantage of Friedel being our sweeper keeper.

as I said we need to get an early break on these teams that park the bus, then see if they give us the space to attack faster.

It's all about time, we play against eleven man defences because we give them time to get back. We are a superior passing team than most, but slow. We get the ball, slowly move it about and then we compress the attack by our wing players coming inside. Defenders all compress up, and you have a bus parked. We are creating the bus, we park it for them.

Get a midfield breaking a speed and you can get behind the defence, find the attackers etc. you will not play against an eleven man defence if you break quickly.

You said it yourself, West Ham got us on the break. It's what we were doing last season.

 

[Lighty64]

It's all about time, we play against eleven man defences because we give them time to get back. We are a superior passing team than most, but slow. We get the ball, slowly move it about and then we compress the attack by our wing players coming inside. Defenders all compress up, and you have a bus parked. We are creating the bus, we park it for them.

Get a midfield breaking a speed and you can get behind the defence, find the attackers etc. you will not play against an eleven man defence if you break quickly.

You said it yourself, West Ham got us on the break. It's what we were doing last season.

last season we had pace BALE

last season we were a threat at set pieces BALE

the only time these away teams commit more than 4 players in attack are at set pieces.

matches ive seen, only 1 live game though or on the radio

C Palace should of beaten them by more than 1 goal

Swansea was there should of beaten them by more than 1 goal, Vomm made 2 great saves in the 1st half.

Arscum we might of had more possession, but Wenger played as if they were the away team and hit us on the counter. a point would of been a fairer result, and their keeper still made a couple of good saves, as did Lloris

Cardiff only listened to it on the radio, we got lucky Lloris stayed on the pitch, but their keeper played a blinder

Chelscum on 1st half and when they went down to 10 men, we could of won, but overall draw was a fair result.

Wet Spam on radio and to be honest we never sounded as if we were at the races, and Allerdice got his tac-tics spot on.

A Villa we deserved 3pts and the score was about right even if we did get a lucky 1st goal, the 2nd was what will happen eventually if we can just get that lucky break early on

Everton we had them on the back foot most of the match, and wasn't too impressive in creating chances, but away too Everton who are doing ok i'd of taken a point before KO

Newcastle they took advantage of our weak high line with Friedel in goal, the MotM with 14 saves was Krul, the next best was Remy with a goal and being their 2nd best defender on the day.

what I see as a major problem is our set pieces, we either take them too quickly, or have just been absolutely crap with the delivery. I do believe we are the only team not to score from a set piece this season. to be totally honest, i'm not even sure we have actually created a chance from 1.

I also believe that AvB should of started with Lamela v Newcastle, and also wished he would just give Ade a chance.

 

[mill]

[qte="jambrthe upgrade, post: 369962qbere: 25506"]It would be nice if we had their quartet of attacking players!

P.S. Why are you so shit at quoting? [/quote]


Ever since the upgrade every time i quote on my phone the cursor jumps up into the quote, really annoying

 

[hodsgod]

last season we had pace BALE

last season we were a threat at set pieces BALE

the only time these away teams commit more than 4 players in attack are at set pieces.

matches ive seen, only 1 live game though or on the radio

C Palace should of beaten them by more than 1 goal

Swansea was there should of beaten them by more than 1 goal, Vomm made 2 great saves in the 1st half.

Arscum we might of had more possession, but Wenger played as if they were the away team and hit us on the counter. a point would of been a fairer result, and their keeper still made a couple of good saves, as did Lloris

Cardiff only listened to it on the radio, we got lucky Lloris stayed on the pitch, but their keeper played a blinder

Chelscum on 1st half and when they went down to 10 men, we could of won, but overall draw was a fair result.

Wet Spam on radio and to be honest we never sounded as if we were at the races, and Allerdice got his tac-tics spot on.

A Villa we deserved 3pts and the score was about right even if we did get a lucky 1st goal, the 2nd was what will happen eventually if we can just get that lucky break early on

Everton we had them on the back foot most of the match, and wasn't too impressive in creating chances, but away too Everton who are doing ok i'd of taken a point before KO

Newcastle they took advantage of our weak high line with Friedel in goal, the MotM with 14 saves was Krul, the next best was Remy with a goal and being their 2nd best defender on the day.

what I see as a major problem is our set pieces, we either take them too quickly, or have just been absolutely crap with the delivery. I do believe we are the only team not to score from a set piece this season. to be totally honest, i'm not even sure we have actually created a chance from 1.

I also believe that AvB should of started with Lamela v Newcastle, and also wished he would just give Ade a chance.

You are talking like a Liverpool fan last season, every keeper plays a blinder against us? No they don't, take krul, our best chances were straight at the keeper! he did make a couple of good saves but the bigger issue was poor finishing.

Th scum game you talk about, it's the same thing,myes we had posession, but it was all at the back, we barely trouble them. Why, because we were too slow getting forward.

You don't need Bales pace to get at teams, though it helps. You do however need to adopt the tactics of breaking quickly, we aren't doing it. Allardyce did nt get any tactics right, he had no strikers at all, it wasn't a choice.

Formation and tactics, we are too slow and our formation is too negative. We will win a lot of games because we do have a decent squad, but we won't be entertaining. In fact if we didn't get three penalties and only one was absolutely bang on, we may be six points lower than we are now.

 

[Lighty64]

You are talking like a Liverpool fan last season, every keeper plays a blinder against us? No they don't, take krul, our best chances were straight at the keeper! he did make a couple of good saves but the bigger issue was poor finishing.

Th scum game you talk about, it's the same thing,myes we had posession, but it was all at the back, we barely trouble them. Why, because we were too slow getting forward.

You don't need Bales pace to get at teams, though it helps. You do however need to adopt the tactics of breaking quickly, we aren't doing it. Allardyce did nt get any tactics right, he had no strikers at all, it wasn't a choice.

Formation and tactics, we are too slow and our formation is too negative. We will win a lot of games because we do have a decent squad, but we won't be entertaining. In fact if we didn't get three penalties and only one was absolutely bang on, we may be six points lower than we are now.

Kruls save with the sun in his face against Saldado and Paulinho were very good saves. the double save from the deflected free kick was very good saves, out of the other 10 saves he still has to save them.

if you really watch the games, please tell me when we have had counter attacking chances that we have moved so slow, we have allowed them back in place.

the reason why we have conceded 6 goals only so far + have conceded the least amount of attempts at our goal this season is that the teams are not attacking us, or are not getting past our last line. I thnk we have set more offside traps than others this season.

the only team that has really pushed us back this season, was Chelsea for 30 second half mins.

our build up play is slow, but after the last 3 to 4 seasons where we have been used to Bale and Lennon attacking with pace, all of a sudden we only have players that SHOULD be able to pass quick and move, but the games ive watched ive not seen us attack an opponents half without them having at least6 players against our 3 that start an attack, and by time the others join, the op gets back too, not because we are to slow in build up, but the ops players can run as quick as our other 3 attackers.

we play the high line so we don't invite other team players on to us to create them chances, cause we haven't got the pace to hurt teams on the counter anymore.