The let's not fire our manager thread

[dontcallme]

OK, so if those 5/6 chances, clear cut chances had been put away and we were 15 goals from 11 games with one other win under our belt would you feel more confident about the system progressing into something more fluid going forward?

But that is why we have debates on here. Some people simply think if the results are good then everything is great.

Some analyse a bit more and can see problems coming.

We have been defensively excellent but struggling to create good chances. We have been winning narrowly but those 1-0 victories can easily turn into nil-nils and narrow defeats.

How would this board be if we hadn't gotten the penalties in our opening 2 games? The what if game works both ways.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

But that is why we have debates on here. Some people simply think if the results are good then everything is great.

Some analyse a bit more and can see problems coming.

We have been defensively excellent but struggling to create good chances. We have been winning narrowly but those 1-0 victories can easily turn into nil-nils and narrow defeats.

How would this board be if we hadn't gotten the penalties in our opening 2 games? The what if game works both ways.

but by the same token those 1-0 victories could have easily been 3-0 or 4-0 victories if players had finished their chances.

 

[mill]

[quo="dudu, post: 3699044, member: 19927"]I dont disagree, I thought the second half against newcastle was A taste of things to come..... at least i hope it was.[/quote]


Ithink it was mmore to do with us chasing the game and being desperate for a goal rather than a taste of things to come

 

[jezz]

but by the same token those 1-0 victories could have easily been 3-0 or 4-0 victories if players had finished their chances.

And by he same token if the oppo had taken there chances we could have lost.

 

[dontcallme]

but by the same token those 1-0 victories could have easily been 3-0 or 4-0 victories if players had finished their chances.

I don't agree. Newcastle aside I don't think we've created anything like enough chances to hammer anyone.

 

[midoNdefoe]

If we are in the same boat this time next season, i may start to agree that we should think about a change. But as far as i'm concerned, we seem to be one good result away from 'clicking' and all those chances/ half chances starting to go in.

To call for AVB's head is stupid. Its absolute nonsense. We have had a bit of a squad overhaul in the summer and these things do take time to come together. Everyone seemed pretty happy with the calibre of player coming in, yet half the people have no patience to see it come to fruition.

I despair at how short-sighted some are on here, like they are only happy when they have something to moan about.

 

[dudu]

But that is why we have debates on here. Some people simply think if the results are good then everything is great.

Some analyse a bit more and can see problems coming.

We have been defensively excellent but struggling to create good chances. We have been winning narrowly but those 1-0 victories can easily turn into nil-nils and narrow defeats.

How would this board be if we hadn't gotten the penalties in our opening 2 games? The what if game works both ways.

I know. My view is balanced. We have had some pretty shit displays of football put in front of us this season. We have also had some decent ones and some rare excellent football.

Some analyse even more and attribute the problems on the pitch to things that have happened time and time again with teams full of new players, learning a new system.

Our defense was not as good last year as it was this correct?

Did AVB fix it in a week? 2 weeks? maybe 2 months? No - it took the good part of a season, and now with mostly the same players that we used last year, who know the system and know each other we have a more consistent back 4 than we ever had.

This season offensively we are more new than we are old. Perhaps it will take more than 10/11 games to implement a complicated system, one which if tweaked and ends up working could see us challenging more than just arsenal for 4th spot.

Im not saying it will, and im not saying it wont, im just saying i am satisfied with my reasoning for why we are having problems and i am comfortable enough with what i have seen from our last 2 games to think that we have it in us to turn the corner and start scoring and winning games more convincingly.

 

[dudu]

I don't agree. Newcastle aside I don't think we've created anything like enough chances to hammer anyone.

Swansea (first half) , Cardiff, Norwich?

 

[dontcallme]

Swansea (first half) , Cardiff, Norwich?

The quality of chances created against them was never going to produce a hammering.

It's funny how we defend Soldado by saying we're not creating for him then try to claim we are creating enough to hammer teams, we're not.

We might in the future but we haven't so far.

 

[dudu]

Footballers miss good chances every game. And score lesser chances. You cant play the whatif game, whatif townsend hadnt have fluked the goal against villa, what if we hadnt been given the unjust penalty against hull etc.

Ive watched every game we have played this season. We have scored about as many goals as our play deserves i would say over the course of the season.

At the end of the day, youve watched it with your own eyes. Our lack if invention has been a consistent feature of our play for months. Its not a quirk of statistics or a run of bad luck. There must be something fundamentally wrong when we struggle to hit the net almost every single week

why not call it like it is? Something is lacking in our attacking play and its not looking like being solved any time soon.

Were our last two performances better than the 2 previously?

Im not saying something isnt missing, im saying i believe from what i have seen that we are capable of turning into a team that can score more goals.

 

[jezz]

Swansea (first half) , Cardiff, Norwich?

Hull, West Ham, Newcasle

 

[mill]

If we are in the same boat this time next season, i may start to agree that we should think about a change. But as far as i'm concerned, we seem to be one good result away from 'clicking' and all those chances/ half chances starting to go in.

To call for AVB's head is stupid. Its absolute nonsense. We have had a bit of a squad overhaul in the summer and these things do take time to come together. Everyone seemed pretty happy with the calibre of player coming in, yet half the people have no patience to see it come to fruition.

I despair at how short-sighted some are on here, like they are only happy when they have something to moan about.

'All those chances' what chances? That's the problem

 

[jezz]

Were our last two performances better than the 2 previously?

Im not saying something isnt missing, im saying i believe from what i have seen that we are capable of turning into a team that can score more goals.

Against Everton we controlled the first half,without scoring, our new shiny 28 million pound striker looked visibly frustrated.
Against Newcastle second half we were chasing the game and had no choice and we still didnt score.
AVB picked the wrong line up and wrong subs. If he keeps doing this and we keep losing, he could be in for a heavy amount of pressure, criticism and rightly so.
On the other hand we may well smash all before us and we will look like idiots.

 

[dudu]

Against Everton we controlled the first half,without scoring, our new shiny 28 million pound striker looked visibly frustrated.
Against Newcastle second half we were chasing the game and had no choice and we still didnt score.
AVB picked the wrong line up and wrong subs. If he keeps doing this and we keep losing, he could be in for a heavy amount of pressure, criticism and rightly so.
On the other hand we may well smash all before us and we will look like idiots.

not sure if that answered my question

 

[dudu]

Hull, West Ham, Newcasle

I have no idea what your point is.

i was responding to this

"Newcastle aside I don't think we've created anything like enough chances to hammer anyone"

 

[dudu]

The quality of chances created against them was never going to produce a hammering.

It's funny how we defend Soldado by saying we're not creating for him then try to claim we are creating enough to hammer teams, we're not.

We might in the future but we haven't so far.

Swansea game we could have won 4/5 - 1 we had plenty of clear cut chances in the box. or are you talking about an 8-0 hammering?

Go back and watch the highlights at least

 

[CowInAComa]

Were our last two performances better than the 2 previously?

Im not saying something isnt missing, im saying i believe from what i have seen that we are capable of turning into a team that can score more goals.

Weve drawn and lost the last 2... Thats not progress.

If anything our play looked far more promising the first few games and has gone downhill.


We arent clicking, we're far from clicking and we dont even know what our first choice side is yet.. Im not sure where your belief is coming from.. seems a bit wishful thinking to me.

 

[jezz]

not sure if that answered my question

We have controlled both games at some point and we still cant find the net.
In my book thats very worrying and in need of change.
We dont create enough for the amount of possession we have.
We have now lost of creative hub in erickson.
Im not going to be confident with lennon siggy and townsend as our AM 3 are you?
im sure Soldado wont be thinking great im going to fill my boots here.
More like i will be watching shots fly in from all over the place.

 

[eddiebailey]

Our defense was not as good last year as it was this correct?

Did AVB fix it in a week? 2 weeks? maybe 2 months? No - it took the good part of a season, and now with mostly the same players that we used last year, who know the system and know each other we have a more consistent back 4 than we ever had.

Has AVB fixed our defence? It seems to me that the fact that we are not conceding is correlated to fact that we are not creating. If we were playing more expansively we would be conceding more.

 

[dudu]

Weve drawn and lost the last 2... Thats not progress.

If anything our play looked far more promising the first few games and has gone downhill.


We arent clicking, we're far from clicking and we dont even know what our first choice side is yet.. Im not sure where your belief is coming from.. seems a bit wishful thinking to me.

I told you where it is coming from in the last post.

At the end of the day i dont expect you to see what i see, we are different people with different eyes and different brains processing what it is we are witnessing.