The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Archibald&Crooks]

Well if the manager isn't capable of getting the players he wants then you have to ask what is the point of that manager. It's also fair to challenge the statement, are all our buys so bad that a good manager can't get some decent football out of them and how did the previous players managers manage it?

Barry, the previous managers all got pretty much the same stick as the current one is getting, with a tweak here or there…..so i'm not sure they did.

 

[Styopa]

It is totally unfair for people to suggest this is a knee jerk reaction to the last 3 games. Since that big win against Arsenal in Feb which proved to be something of a turning point, we have won 6 out of 17 league games. 17 games - that's almost half a season. If we keep that kind of form up, and taking into account draws, we'll finish the season around 10th and provide little in the way of entertainment along the way. Now, if people are satisfied with that fair enough, but I don't think I'm being hysterical in saying I expect a little bit more from this team.

 

[hellava_tough]

Barry, the previous managers all got pretty much the same stick as the current one is getting, with a tweak here or there…..so i'm not sure they did.

Well these are the points totals from the first 10 games of the season, in years past:

2014/15 – 14pts
2013/14 – 20pts
2012/13 – 17pts
2011/12 – 22pts
2010/11 – 15pts
2009/10 – 19pts
2008/09 – 9pts
2007/08 – 7pts
2006/07 – 15pts
2005/06 – 20pts

Around 20 points from 10 games is an average that'll get you European football, most of the seasons over the last 10 years, we've started quite well.

 

[NEVILLEB]

I definitely don't agree with that, no matter how many times you press copy & paste.
I think we had a decent squad last season, as I said early on, probably the fifth best squad in the league.
Not more than we can expect, really. Now, for this season, I guess we have the sixth best squad. Maybe. The key is, we have started uphill, underperforming. Will that continue or not?

This is a carbon copy post for every Manager we've had for the last 10 years.

 

[NEVILLEB]

When a Manager tries to stand up to Levy you criticise him for talking out.

When he's silent and we sign crap, you blame him for us having a shit team.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Did you drive to Leicester to watch it because I did? It was rubbish and boring as we have been for some time now. I think we're entitled to feel a little disappointed at this stage with the quality of football and the fact that it feels as though we're going backwards

We went backwards a LONG time ago.

Unless you weren't paying attention when we replaced VDV with Sigs, Modric with Dembele, Bale with Lamela, etc.

Blaming Poch is a joke as this started with the calamitous appointment of AVB.

 

[mpickard2087]

We went backwards a LONG time ago.

Unless you weren't paying attention when we replaced VDV with Sigs, Modric with Dembele, Bale with Lamela, etc.

Blaming Poch is a joke as this started with the calamitous appointment of AVB.

The thing that annoys me most about Poch is that I feel he is stalling. He's had what 60-65 games in charge and we've had barely a handful where you can say we have looked anything like you would imagine we would be playing like. Take the pressing game for instance, I don't see who is to blame for the failure of this but him. I'd much rather watch us go all out, press high and get cut apart and say that it isn't working but at least we were putting things into practice. Right now in terms of style of play we seem to be doing, well, nothing. I'd be able to accept if we weren't the finished article in terms of our work with the ball and still looked a bit stunted, but in terms of what we are doing off the ball I believe that hard work, coordinated pressing as a unit and tactical discipline should really be being shown on a consistent basis. It isn't though, these important foundations are very shaky, maybe non-existent.

 

[NEVILLEB]

1. What effect do you think having 4 Managers in 4 years would have?

2. If the Managers were so important then why does everyone slate the Manager who brought us beautiful football and a Champions League run? You can't have it both ways.

3. The current squad is mostly AVB's. We've been playing boring football since he took over.

4. If you keep doing the same thing and getting the same result don't you think it's time to re-evaluate where the problem lies?

 

[NEVILLEB]

The thing that annoys me most about Poch is that I feel he is stalling. He's had what 60-65 games in charge and we've had barely a handful where you can say we have looked anything like you would imagine we would be playing like. Take the pressing game for instance, I don't see who is to blame for the failure of this but him. I'd much rather watch us go all out, press high and get cut apart and say that it isn't working but at least we were putting things into practice. Right now in terms of style of play we seem to be doing, well, nothing. I'd be able to accept if we weren't the finished article in terms of our work with the ball and still looked a bit stunted, but in terms of what we are doing off the ball I believe that hard work, coordinated pressing as a unit and tactical discipline should really be being shown on a consistent basis. It isn't though, these important foundations are very shaky, maybe non-existent.

This is the same you could say of Ramos, AVB, Sherwood or Poch.

Before we change the Manager again we need to change things above them.

There's no point otherwise.

 

[theShiznit]

I think Poch is punking Levy.

Playing Dier in CM, classic Poch prank.

DL will surely get a real DM in now...

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

This is a carbon copy post for every Manager we've had for the last 10 years.

Maybe it is. Maybe not.

When a Manager tries to stand up to Levy you criticise him for talking out.

When he's silent and we sign crap, you blame him for us having a shit team.

I for one actually complimented Pochettino in a post only today for being publicly very loyal. Arguments like this one are maybe my rhetoric pet peeve if they are not back up with actual statistics showing that it is in fact the same posters who complain about both sides of the coin.

1. What effect do you think having 4 Managers in 4 years would have?

Sticking with 1 manager simply because he succeeding a line of bad managerial decisions isn't necessarily any better.

2. If the Managers were so important then why does everyone slate the Manager who brought us beautiful football and a Champions League run? You can't have it both ways.

A manager is important. Look at SAF vs. Moyes. And again, are you sure that the same posters complain equally about both?

3. The current squad is mostly AVB's. We've been playing boring football since he took over.

I don't buy that. After 3 windows, Pochettino has the players he wants. At the very least, he will have them when the window closes. This is not anybody else's squad but his.

4. If you keep doing the same thing and getting the same result don't you think it's time to re-evaluate where the problem lies?

Try saying that to Pochettino himself.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Commenting on the appointment Chairman Daniel Levy said:

"In Mauricio I believe we have a Head Coach who, with his high energy, attacking football, will embrace the style of play we associate with our Club. He has a proven ability to develop each player as an individual, whilst building great team spirit and a winning mentality.

"We have a talented squad that Mauricio is excited to be coaching next season."

 

[NEVILLEB]

We've started the season with one striker and you guys lay into the Manager.

It's ridiculous.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

We've started the season with one striker and you guys lay into the Manager.

It's ridiculous.

.... the manager as I recall said something along the lines of ' I am not bothered we have a number of options who can fill the striking role' think he mentioned Chadli and Lamela. This is also the manager who said Soldado was still in his plans.
You have to face it he is the 'don't rock the boat option' Levy has been seeking.

 

[beats1]

Can people stop saying we play a defender in midfield? Dier started out as a midfielder and played for sporting as both cb and dm.

I checked, he only played 2 games at Sporting as a DM

At everton he only played as a CB or LB
At Sporting he played 10 matches as a DM/CM out of 48

So ten matches isn't much. He mostly played as a LB or CB surprisingly

 

[yido_number1]

Need to let him have more than 1 season and a couple of games to get his point across. You only need to look at how many players from the "1st team squad" have gone in this window and the last to see he doesn't think much of the players. If you look at preseason you can see the younger more moldable players all looked better than the more established ones. Hopefully we can get in two or three more signings and watch the squad develop through the season.

 

[thinktank]

Need to let him have more than 1 season and a couple of games to get his point across. You only need to look at how many players from the "1st team squad" have gone in this window and the last to see he doesn't think much of the players. If you look at preseason you can see the younger more moldable players all looked better than the more established ones. Hopefully we can get in two or three more signings and watch the squad develop through the season.

YES.

 

[Lilbaz]

I checked, he only played 2 games at Sporting as a DM

At everton he only played as a CB or LB
At Sporting he played 10 matches as a DM/CM out of 48

So ten matches isn't much. He mostly played as a LB or CB surprisingly

He has experience playing there. I just it's unfair on both poch and dier when everyone writes him off as unable to play there after only a couple of games.

He might not be suited, but give him a chance. They did the same with kane saying he couldn't play up front on his own. Not saying that he will be great, just give him more than a couple of games before making your minds up.

 

[Jimmyjimmyo]

Need to let him have more than 1 season and a couple of games to get his point across. You only need to look at how many players from the "1st team squad" have gone in this window and the last to see he doesn't think much of the players. If you look at preseason you can see the younger more moldable players all looked better than the more established ones. Hopefully we can get in two or three more signings and watch the squad develop through the season.

He cannot have it both ways, he was heralded as a man who could get existing players to play way above their abilities but that has proven to be bullshit as virtually to a man we have regressed, If the young moldable players are so amazing and in tune with his "Philosophy" then why did we look tired and poor all preseason and where are these great young players? oh he doesn't play them he still prefers square pegs.

The squad was supposed to be developing LAST season while we were served up shit with the odd piece of sugar so far it has been all shit this season with the expectation that we won't see good football for ANOTHER 12 months or after he has another 3 or 4 of his players,

Another poor project coach who cannot even get the basics right

 

[yido_number1]

He cannot have it both ways, he was heralded as a man who could get existing players to play way above their abilities but that has proven to be bullshit as virtually to a man we have regressed, If the young moldable players are so amazing and in tune with his "Philosophy" then why did we look tired and poor all preseason and where are these great young players? oh he doesn't play them he still prefers square pegs.

The squad was supposed to be developing LAST season while we were served up shit with the odd piece of sugar so far it has been all shit this season with the expectation that we won't see good football for ANOTHER 12 months or after he has another 3 or 4 of his players,

Another poor project coach who cannot even get the basics right

Thats bullshit... Still achieved 5th last year which is as good as most managers have in the 20 years. At the same time we got to a cup final and improved a number of the players at his disposal:

Kane
Mason
Bentaleb
Rose
Eriksen
Chadli

Half the first team squad were quickly deemed not good enough or fitting for his style of play and are now out of the club. Getting what he did out of the squad considering we had one striker that performed and at times last year a CB playing RB and a couple of young kids playing cm should be seen as an achievement. Personally I'll judge him once we have the squad assembled and he has successfully integrated more of the younger players that look likely to get a shot this year.

Some people just love to moan and call for a managers head. No doubt you wanted Jol and Redknapp gone as well thinking there was better out there. Seeing what Poch got out of the Southampton squad that actually had some pace about them I'm looking forwards to seeing us introduce players like N'Jie and hopefully Berahino.