The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[THFCSPURS19]

This is a comment from a Saints fan that frightened me a lot:

"I like the passing football that Pochettino has brought to the team and the possession tactics but he has struggled to turn possession into goals, which does seem to be a coaching issue."

Reminds me of AVB. That's scary shit right there.

 

[recklessyido]

This is a comment from a Saints fan that frightened me a lot:

"I like the passing football that Pochettino has brought to the team and the possession tactics but he has struggled to turn possession into goals, which does seem to be a coaching issue."

Reminds me of AVB. That's scary shit right there.

Yep agree. He's a less successful AVB, don't see why he's the option.

 

[thinktank]

A couple of things I found interesting from the Sid Low article on Pochettino.

Pochettino had warned that there would be no favouritism. "It doesn't matter who the person is," he said when he took over. "As a player I was demanding; as a manager I will be too."
He was true to his word. He would turn up hours before everyone and leave hours after. "That makes it easier for players to accept the demands," one member of the staff says. "They think: 'Hell, if he's doing it …'"

Sessions were intense and innovative. Players' shirts were fitted with GPS devices and connected to a programme that monitored their every move. A camera filming the game on a wide angle linked directly to an iPad on the manager's bench. He would not just tell players what had gone wrong, he would show them.

Sessions were carried out with movements co-ordinated exactly. Pochettino recalled the time he scored a header as a player but Bielsa tore into him for being in the wrong place at the time. Pochettino, too, liked to control every detail but Planes insists that he did not reach the point of obsession. "Mauricio gives players the freedom to express themselves. You might see Jay Rodriguez on the other wing and that's no problem. He sets clear parameters but, unlike some coaches, gives them freedom. He gets on very well with the players; he takes the pressure off them and makes them feel free. He's not a policeman."

"The most important thing is to defend well and build a structure from there," Flores says, "but despite being a defender Pochettino wants his teams to attack. In a way, I think that's normal: you try to perfect the things that as a player you lacked. As a defender you know what kind of attack you hated facing and you try to apply that."

Hurtado says: "He wanted the centre-backs to open out and the midfielder to drop between them to receive the ball. He wanted us to play."

Pep Guardiola once said that he identified with Espanyol's football.

Planes adds: "Mauricio always wanted his teams to treat the ball well, to be very proactive, not just to wait for the opposition. He wanted his teams to be dynamic, brave and attacking – and that's still his approach. He wanted the pace to be high and for the team to really press." He insists, though, that Pochettino is not a disciple of Bielsa. "I spoke to him about football a lot and I don't think he had one single model."

Above all, the demands were huge. "Tell me how you train and I'll tell you how you play is a Spanish phrase," Flores says. "Well, Pochettino the player and Pochettino the manager took that to heart." His players talk about "hierarchy", "intensity", "effort", "seriousness" and "discipline"; exactly the qualities that define the manager and always have – right back to that bedroom in Murphy.

Daniel Pablo Osvaldo played with Pochettino at Espanyol and joined him again at Southampton. "He makes you suffer like a dog," the forward once joked. "And at the time you hate him for it but by the Sunday you're

I implore doubters to read that a few times and let it sink in.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Yep agree. He's a less successful AVB, don't see why he's the option.

He's better than AVB.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Yep agree. He's a less successful AVB, don't see why he's the option.

Levy likes a company man he wants a coach who doesn't talk too much to the media and unfortunately FDB talked where as Poch didn't and I really think that is the reason he is ahead and maybe be had a good interview.

 

[thinktank]

This is a comment from a Saints fan that frightened me a lot:

"I like the passing football that Pochettino has brought to the team and the possession tactics but he has struggled to turn possession into goals, which does seem to be a coaching issue."

Reminds me of AVB. That's scary shit right there.

Some said that about arsenal in their uber tippy-tappy phase when they looked for the perfect goal every time. There has been some overplaying at times with s'ton but that only happened because the combination play and movement around the box was so good it allowed them to work intricate situations. It's been part of their evolution, the key thing is the chances being made by the system.

The only other teams that have had better combination play and movement in advanced areas this season have been liverpool and scum imo. City won the league but I don't think they played the best football per se, they just had extra quality where it counts.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Yep agree. He's a less successful AVB, don't see why he's the option.

You do realise that AVB, FDB and Poch share quite a few tactical philosophies don't you? It is a legitimate concern for both of them managerial choices. While Benitez doesn't share as many philosophies there are also a different set of concerns about his style of play on a week by week basis.

 

[THFC 1882]

Simon Peach @SimonPeach · 11 min
Spoken to people at #SaintsFC & #THFC today, but both clubs keeping schtum on managerial situation.

 

[Franchise60]

This is a comment from a Saints fan that frightened me a lot:

"I like the passing football that Pochettino has brought to the team and the possession tactics but he has struggled to turn possession into goals, which does seem to be a coaching issue."

Reminds me of AVB. That's scary shit right there.

Southampton's attack looked nothing like ours under AVB this season. There are different ways of using possession. Southampton were far more direct and entertaining.

Southampton scored the 8th most goals in the league (1 less than us) with the 18th highest wage bill. And we want to blame coaching for the amount of goals they scored?

 

[yawa]

This is a comment from a Saints fan that frightened me a lot:

"I like the passing football that Pochettino has brought to the team and the possession tactics but he has struggled to turn possession into goals, which does seem to be a coaching issue."

Reminds me of AVB. That's scary shit right there.

Seems more like the thing you say when you know someone is leaving. Well hes not that good really so we wont miss him.

 

[recklessyido]

You do realise that AVB, FDB and Poch share quite a few tactical philosophies don't you? It is a legitimate concern for both of them managerial choices. While Benitez doesn't share as many philosophies there are also a different set of concerns about his style of play on a week by week basis.

Just screams to me Levy going cheap again and will sack Poch for not getting top four next season. Take Benitez over him as he's a proven winner and has more experience than Poch. Ill say it again, I don't dislike Poch but he's a cheap easy option and we'll be back here again soon if he's appointed. He should stay put for his own sake as the Spurs fans and board won't be patient with him.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

18th highest wage bill.

This is important for those of you who think Southampton should have finished 8th by default.

 

[Franchise60]

Find it funny only negative comments I'm seeing to the idea of us appointing Poch is from Spurs and Southampton fans

I just don't understand how everyone has facepalmed us not signing Martinez and Rodgers all season and then so many don't want Poch when you can make a pretty good case he is a better candidate than both of them were when we hired AVB.

We aren't going to get a Martinez or Rodgers AFTER they have success with a big club in England and it seems like people forget that.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Simon Peach @SimonPeach · 11 min
Spoken to people at #SaintsFC & #THFC today, but both clubs keeping schtum on managerial situation.

Has to go down as one of the more pointless tweets of all time.

"I tried to find out something. I found out nothing. More later in the day...although probably not."

 

[thinktank]

Regarding the ability to change matches, I wonder how much squad depth plays a part. Beyond Lambert and Rodriguez (who is now injured), I don't know enough of Southampton as a squad to see how Pochettino would/could make changes. With a bigger squad, ie ours, would he have more scope to change things with a strong bench.

It's crucial and is the absolute difference. Like I said, if he had more quality in depth they'd have finished above us (and possibly everton), no doubt in my mind.

The system is demanding and that with injuries, requires you have a quality squad throughout.

This is why people need to gain some knowledge of him and how s'ton have played and transplant that model here with the players/squad we have (including 2/3 possible new additions and youngsters he'd certainly bring through).

Then it will begin to become clear to them.

The reason he's willing to come is he knows they won't keep or invest enough in players to allow him to do that at s'ton next season.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Just screams to me Levy going cheap again and will sack Poch for not getting top four next season. Take Benitez over him as he's a proven winner and has more experience than Poch. Ill say it again, I don't dislike Poch but he's a cheap easy option and we'll be back here again soon if he's appointed. He should stay put for his own sake as the Spurs fans and board won't be patient with him.

Fair enough, I have said before Rafa is a pretty logical choice as we haven't hired someone of that stature and experience before. However the reason I don't think it'll happen is that he is almost certain to be divisive with the fans here even if he does well unfortunately (IMO).

 

[recklessyido]

Fair enough, I have said before Rafa is a pretty logical choice as we haven't hired someone of that stature and experience before. However the reason I don't think it'll happen is that he is almost certain to be divisive with the fans here even if he does well unfortunately (IMO).

Yeah fans should forget he loves Liverpool and support him if appointed. He's the logical choice like you said, the most successful and experienced choice. We all want success right? He's the best option we have in my opinion.

 

[thinktank]

You could criticise him for not successfully getting Gaston Ramirez at least up to that role of impact sub but as you say it's mainly due to the limitations of his squad. He hasn't had somebody like Lewis Holtby or Roberto Soldado to bring on who should really change the game. Sam Gallagher and James Ward-Prowse are good young players but Pochettino's inability to use them to change games shouldn't been seen as a major blot against his record IMO.

He's persevered with giving Gallagher a shot but the boy's a dud imo. He will give fledglings a good old chance for sure. Ward-prowse is decent player and will come good.

 

[thinktank]

As Tottenham fans, we have always had a sensibility towards those that reflect our footballing philosophy. In this instance, that's Frank De Boer. It's his career, the football he played, the teams he played for and the way he has played and managed the game.

Poch would be underwhelming. I'm not sure the players would be inspired/forced to change/become better. If he were to be hired, I'd expect to see something similar to what we had with Martin Jol, nice football at times, but soft in the centre.

With FDB, I'd anticipate wholescale changes. The implementation of a philosophy. I think that's what we need. Nothing against Poch, but I'm yet to be convinced.

Sorry dude, you couldn't have got it more wrong. Your post relates to Tino irt those points more than FDB.

 

[DannySafer]

Don't agree with the Laudrup comparisons.


And as for Danny Safer's post...you do realise that's more of an argument for Poch than against him right? He made them a settled squad, and through his coaching the likes of Lallana, Rodriguez and Lambert really started to shine (none of the three were anywhere near the England squad before he took over). You seem to be suggesting that actually Southampton should have finished above us which is ludicrous.

Don't agree with the Laudrup comparisons.

To start with Laudrup was inheriting a team that already played in a certain way. He didn't change a lot and that kept them going, but then when he tried to tinker it all went a bit tits up (plus it sounds like he was a bit of a dick behind the scenes).

Poch took a team that, whilst doing okay, wasn't really going anywhere and made them a very good collective with a style of play that was coached well so that the players bought into it and could apply it...something that we desperately need at Spurs.

And as for Danny Safer's post...you do realise that's more of an argument for Poch than against him right? He made them a settled squad, and through his coaching the likes of Lallana, Rodriguez and Lambert really started to shine (none of the three were anywhere near the England squad before he took over). You seem to be suggesting that actually Southampton should have finished above us which is ludicrous.

I respect that you want to defend your man but I don't agree with your argument. Southampton already had the players when he arrived they were settled before, we had 7 new players to incorporate. That's what I mean. He didn't "make" them settled. These are good players who have kept Southampton in the PL. Poch introduced a style and system that suited and improved them. He is a good coach I have already stated that but FDB is a good coach, you can point at Verts and Eriksen who he made "shine". If Poch is that good as a manager why did he finish so far behind us? Where was his cup runs? I don't want just a good coach I want a good manager who will take us forward and I personally do not think he is the man at the moment. You cannot just dismiss Laudrup like you have because your comments are your opinion you do not know whether it was because he actually tried to tinker or whether it was because he had key players like Michu injured. I agree with you, I personally think Laudrup was a one season wonder but when the sun was shining on him I remember he had a lot of support on here to replace AVB and good job we didn't take that route. If Poch had a couple of seasons under his belt and had the same success I may feel different but at the moment I feel it is a massive gamble and after rolling the dice twice recently I don't think Levy has the room for a third mistake.