The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[zepstar]

Sorry dude, you couldn't have got it more wrong. Your post relates to Tino irt those points more than FDB.

I could very well be wrong, and I hope I am because I'd love to see Poch do well. Dragging Southampton from 14th to 8th, is a better place improvement than Rodgers at Liverpool. I will embrace his appointment and back him. I'm just anxious about missing out on De Boer. Something tells me he will be one of Europe's best eventually.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I respect that you want to defend your man but I don't agree with your argument. Southampton already had the players when he arrived they were settled before, we had 7 new players to incorporate. That's what I mean. He didn't "make" them settled. These are good players who have kept Southampton in the PL. Poch introduced a style and system that suited and improved them. He is a good coach I have already stated that but FDB is a good coach, you can point at Verts and Eriksen who he made "shine". If Poch is that good as a manager why did he finish so far behind us? Where was his cup runs? I don't want just a good coach I want a good manager who will take us forward and I personally do not think he is the man at the moment. You cannot just dismiss Laudrup like you have because your comments are your opinion you do not know whether it was because he actually tried to tinker or whether it was because he had key players like Michu injured. I agree with you, I personally think Laudrup was a one season wonder but when the sun was shining on him I remember he had a lot of support on here to replace AVB and good job we didn't take that route. If Poch had a couple of seasons under his belt and had the same success I may feel different but at the moment I feel it is a massive gamble and after rolling the dice twice recently I don't think Levy has the room for a third mistake.

If there was any manager out there who was more of a sure thing then I would 100% agree with you. But who would that be?

Benitez has had his failures (left Liverpool in the shit, was terrible at Inter).

De Boer only knows one club.

etc etc.

All of the available options could be a risk. For me Poch is certainly no more of a risk than the others.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

TBH, I didn't actually believe what this Saints fan said because they've clearly played very well and it seems a case of sour grapes. Just the sheer thought of us playing like we did under AVB makes me want to curl up into a ball and rock back and forth in a corner.

 

[SpartanSpur]

With concerns being raised over the similarities of the philosophies (although each with their own unique traits) between Poch, FDB and scarily AVB (who Levy sold to us as someone who played an attacking brand of football), the thought alone has strengthened my the case for Poch in my head.

Look at AVB for example. The notion of his attacking play hinged on two things IMO:-
1) Star players - His formations provide a great platform for great individual talent to thrive upon. See Hulk/Bale/Falcao as key examples.
2) Being a league winner, therefore winning the majority of games and scoring goals in the first place, giving the appearance of great, attacking football.

The problem that arose that in a more competitive league, where he did not have the better team (which he played his part helping step up to that level), his 'attacking style' was not so easy to adapt, especially when his star man departed.

Frank De Boer hasn't had the pleasure of star players of the level that AVB had, but #2 could well apply. Is his attacking football tag just an extension of the fact he wins a lot of games. Could it translate to the PL? Very possible, he is clearly a great tactical mind and could build us up to a similar level.

Neither of them points above relate to Poch though, and we have the added bonus of knowing he's not only achieved this style in our league, but also done it with 7 much better equipped teams above him, therefore making it harder to score and win as frequently than at Ajax or Porto. I hold that in pretty high regard.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I definitely don't understand any worries that people have about Poch's style of football considering we've seen it be very effective in the league which we actually play in.

That's not to say that FdB's style wouldn't work here, but comparisons between Poch and AVB are ridiculous.

 

[marvel]

My primary concern with Pochetinno was that his name doesn't lend itself to an easy song, which is a hugely important criteria for selecting a manager. Then I realised he could quite easily fit in the Defoe-style 'Pochetinno, he's a yiddo' so I'm sold.

 

[only1waddle]

I definitely don't understand any worries that people have about Poch's style of football considering we've seen it be very effective in the league which we actually play in.

That's not to say that FdB's style wouldn't work here, but comparisons between Poch and AVB are ridiculous.

The way Southampton play under Poch is almost exactly what i thought we would get from AvB, win the ball high up, transition quickly into an attacking unit, play keep ball when needed.

 

[talkshowhost86]

The way Southampton play under Poch is almost exactly what i thought we would get from AvB, win the ball high up, transition quickly into an attacking unit, play keep ball when needed.

Agreed.

AVB seemed to forget both the win the ball and transition quickly elements though.

 

[Franchise60]

TBH, I didn't actually believe what this Saints fan said because they've clearly played very well and it seems a case of sour grapes. Just the sheer thought of us playing like we did under AVB makes me want to curl up into a ball and rock back and forth in a corner.

I've been keeping an eye on their board past couple weeks and Poch is pretty overwhelmingly looked at as a huge positive for the club.

But obviously the more realistic him coming to Spurs has become the less you read of that. Kinda like how we sold Elvis for the Beatles and all that last summer

 

[DannySafer]

If there was any manager out there who was more of a sure thing then I would 100% agree with you. But who would that be?

Benitez has had his failures (left Liverpool in the shit, was terrible at Inter).

De Boer only knows one club.

etc etc.

All of the available options could be a risk. For me Poch is certainly no more of a risk than the others.

You are right mate with respect to who is next from what is available I have no certainties. Unless somehow a miracle happened and Ancelotti was available, everyone else for me is second best. I'm just saying out of the Poch - FDB debate I feel FDB would bring more to the table. He already has worked with two of our top players he was borne out of the famous Ajax philosophy and has won leagues. The Dutch league is weak no doubt, it has never really been a top European league yet it has created great managers and great players over the years despite this. That just swings it for me but who knows. God help us.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Di Marzio saying Poch is our top target but it could be FDB on his website. Didn't post in ITK thread though as came across more like a report of whats out there already rather than something Baldini told him.

Edit: just to add, I just asked the guy who translates his info on twitter and he confirmed Di Marzio doesn't regurgitate news. And subtly reminded me that there is an Italian in a high position at Spurs.

 

[cornelius knob]

Yep agree. He's a less successful AVB, don't see why he's the option.

Yep agree. He's a less successful AVB, don't see why he's the option.

There`s a big difference between Poch and AVB. Poch was an Argentianian international player with 20 or more caps. AVB never played the game. On that basis alone, rightly or wrongly, Poch will command far more respect from the top players.

 

[thinktank]

I could very well be wrong, and I hope I am because I'd love to see Poch do well. Dragging Southampton from 14th to 8th, is a better place improvement than Rodgers at Liverpool. I will embrace his appointment and back him. I'm just anxious about missing out on De Boer. Something tells me he will be one of Europe's best eventually.

I'd be pleased with FDB, no doubt, my concern there is his attitude to controlling the game being akin to AVBs.

I think he'd be just as devoted to it.

 

[dirtyh]

There`s a big difference between Poch and AVB. Poch was an Argentianian international player with 20 or more caps. AVB never played the game. On that basis alone, rightly or wrongly, Poch will command far more respect from the top players.

Hey tim, how are ya? Glad to see you don't feel a need to leave sc. agree about the player been there done it angle

 

[only1waddle]

The more i think about the way DL thinks then he is probably bringing Pochettino in to get the best from Lamela , there has been extensive talk on here about FdB's relationship to Eriksen and Vertonghen but both of those players are on track to profit margin city, whereas Lamela would currently be valued at a lower rate.
Wouldn't put any of this thinking beyond old Danny boy.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

There`s a big difference between Poch and AVB. Poch was an Argentianian international player with 20 or more caps. AVB never played the game. On that basis alone, rightly or wrongly, Poch will command far more respect from the top players.

Got any ITK for us?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

My primary concern with Pochetinno was that his name doesn't lend itself to an easy song, which is a hugely important criteria for selecting a manager. Then I realised he could quite easily fit in the Defoe-style 'Pochetinno, he's a yiddo' so I'm sold.

Are you Spurs Views???

 

[thinktank]

I'm concerned - perhaps unduly - that the case for Pochettino is built on less than two seasons as manager of Southampton. He was relatively successful there, but his track record at Espanyol is less impressive.

I'm not convinced that he has the experience or the track record which shows that he's the best candidate for the job...

But maybe I'm just a pessimist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21084201

 

[only1waddle]

I'd be pleased with FDB, no doubt, my concern there is his attitude to controlling the game being akin to AVBs.

I think he'd be just as devoted to it.

I agree, i voted FdB and i think in reality it is with a certain amount of hope that he is more adaptive to his surroundings, certainly the prem would be a culture shock in footballing terms, having to play grunt ball against Wet Spam and the likes.
If Levy does his job properly, fuck, even puts a DVD in of our "possession" under AvB and asks FdB "don't try and wooo me you smooth talking Dutch Casanova, is this the type of shit you will be serving up?"
if he says yes then its no smoke and a pancake for you Frank.

Best interview ever.


*All interviews should be live on Spurs TV, we could make it interactive, all the best questions get asked by us the fans as Levy is clearly a useless wanker when it comes to interacting socially.

 

[Mr Pink]

Di Marzio saying Poch is our top target but it could be FDB on his website. Didn't post in ITK thread though as came across more like a report of whats out there already rather than something Baldini told him.

Edit: just to add, I just asked the guy who translates his info on twitter and he confirmed Di Marzio doesn't regurgitate news. And subtly reminded me that there is an Italian in a high position at Spurs.

So he's saying Poch is our top target, but FDB could be our other top target? Or we could end up with FDB?