The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Vulcan10]

I think we have 2 very good but obviously risky options.

One of my best mates is a Saints fan and is truly bemused at people thinking Wanyama is a good player. Apparently Saints fans rate Cork and Ward-Prowse much more highly and see Wanyama getting injured as a blessing as that was the only way the others would get to play.

Poch played a very weak team in the FA Cup despite having a rest period and little to play for in the league.

No doubt they are well coached and play good football. Exciting to think what he could do with better quality players. His style appears to suit the likes of Paulinho who we haven't seen the best of yet.

We are a big step up in terms of size of squad and number of games we'll play. He's going to need to rotate much more effectively than he's had to this season.

That's a really good point, just when I warming to the idea of poch I had forgotten about him resting everyone for no reason in the fa cup (a cup I am desperate for spurs to win). Why do we think he did this & do we think he would approach things differently at spurs?

 

[beats1]

There is no such thing as guaranteed success. He could get a bad injury or a personal matter could effect him mentally. Also, he could have peaked early and start to decline.

You could apply that to every transfer though.

Though with Pochettino we are more likely to create the environment for him to thrive and it would be less of a risk for us than any other club.

As for for whether he is worth it. Lets say he cost £27million. Now some papers are saying that it will be paid in 3 payments of £7million so after 3 years we would of lessened the risk.

Meanwhile we would lessen the risk by giving him a 4+2 or a 5 with an option to extend contract. Say it was 5 year plus 1 year option contract. We would have to pay £5.4million for his amortised value for the final year but we could sell him with 2 years left him on his deal for possibly the same amount we paid for him and/or make a profit and he would only cost us just his wages.

For a player who is very young and already is an england international and showing promise to be one of the best lb's in the league the risk isn't high

 

[Mr Pink]

I do wonder if we'll make a move for Bony under Pochettino.

Unless Adebayor is going to suddenly put the effort in on a regular basis - doubtful.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

It's not the be-all and end-all, that's for sure. When we lost 1-0 to the Goons under Sherwood we had a pretty amazing 65% possession; I really can't think of a game against them in recent history in which we've dominated the ball so much. It didn't translate into clear-cut chances and a win, though. Likewise, you can also look at Swansea—and also Southampton—and say that they probably dominated possession in over 50% of their games.

More pertinently to Spurs, you can look to our games under Juanque, in which we usually enjoyed the lion's share of possession.

We actually had 59% at home. You only had to go back to the away game when we had 57% for the last time we dominated the ball so much.

 

[spursfan77]

Just onion but could the reason of the hold up be that we are trying to convince southampton to let us do deal with poch backroom staff and a player at the same time?

Or is it more likely that if he does come, Southampton want us to agree not to approach any of their players this year?

 

[OmarsComing]

Grunching the thread but Lol at Poch being touted in the top 5 EPL managers of the season

Nothing to do with having the 8th best squad in the league?

Boruc = solid (except away @ "The Death Star")

Two RB similar, if not with more potential than our Kyles.

Lovern = one of the best CB in the league last season

Shaw = £30m LB

Scheinderlin = the true unsung hero at Southampton. I hardly watch them but a coaching friend of mine reckons he is the absolute bollocks, and will move to a champs league club in the near future.

Lallana = £30m midfielder

Lambert = a peasant's Alan Shearer

Jay Rodriguez = £25m forward.

Then Ward-Prowse and the endless conveyer belt of promising youngsters. If they had kept Bale, Walcott and Crazy Frog they might have been challenging for the title!

#unconvincedwithPoch

 

[wpd659]

Or is it more likely that if he does come, Southampton want us to agree not to approach any of their players this year?

Yer exactly! And mayb he has said to us he wants to bring one or two across so levy is tryin to keep that out of the agreement.

 

[Mr Pink]

Grunching the thread but Lol at Poch being touted in the top 5 EPL managers of the season

Nothing to do with having the 8th best squad in the league?

Boruc = solid (except away @ "The Death Star")

Two RB similar, if not with more potential than our Kyles.

Lovern = one of the best CB in the league last season

Shaw = £30m LB

Scheinderlin = the true unsung hero at Southampton. I hardly watch them but a coaching friend of mine reckons he is the absolute bollocks, and will move to a champs league club in the near future.

Lallana = £30m midfielder

Lambert = a peasant's Alan Shearer

Jay Rodriguez = £25m forward.

Then Ward-Prowse and the endless conveyer belt of promising youngsters. If they had kept Bale, Walcott and Crazy Frog they might have been challenging for the title!

#unconvincedwithPoch

NOT AGAIN lol

Nothing to do with Pochettino developing them further through good coaching I suppose!!!

He's turned them into a very good side, that's the point.

 

[spurs9]

You could apply that to every transfer though.

Though with Pochettino we are more likely to create the environment for him to thrive and it would be less of a risk for us than any other club.

As for for whether he is worth it. Lets say he cost £27million. Now some papers are saying that it will be paid in 3 payments of £7million so after 3 years we would of lessened the risk.

Meanwhile we would lessen the risk by giving him a 4+2 or a 5 with an option to extend contract. Say it was 5 year plus 1 year option contract. We would have to pay £5.4million for his amortised value for the final year but we could sell him with 2 years left him on his deal for possibly the same amount we paid for him and/or make a profit and he would only cost us just his wages.

For a player who is very young and already is an england international and showing promise to be one of the best lb's in the league the risk isn't high

Yes, you absolutely could say that with every transfer, hence me saying there is no such thing as a guaranteed success and the more you pay the higher the financial risk. Also, another thing to take into account is the FFP rules may have an affect on the amount of large transfer fees in the future (I personally don't think it will have a large impact) and you also have to take into account his position of LB, which typically doesn't generate high fees globally.

Also, his fee is inflated because he is English, but foreign clubs don't care of his nationality (unless they are HG in their home country which he wont be), so you are really limiting the potential of recouping the fee to just the EPL, which means just 4 teams.

Also according the Greg Stobart, Man Utd have offered him 100,000 per week contract which makes it even less viable for us.

 

[beats1]

Yes, you absolutely could say that with every transfer, hence me saying there is no such thing as a guaranteed success and the more you pay the higher the financial risk. Also, another thing to take into account is the FFP rules may have an affect on the amount of large transfer fees in the future (I personally don't think it will have a large impact) and you also have to take into account his position of LB, which typically doesn't generate high fees globally.

Also, his fee is inflated because he is English, but foreign clubs don't care of his nationality (unless they are HG in their home country which he wont be), so you are really limiting the potential of recouping the fee to just the EPL, which means just 4 teams.

Also according the Greg Stobart, Man Utd have offered him 100,000 per week contract which makes it even less viable for us.

FFP will definitely have an effect on transfer problem is with the world coming out of a recession the huge brands with throw money at the elite and raise the transfers fees again.

The thing is Ferdinand cost £30million(23), Lescott £24million(26) and Alves cost £23million rising to £30million at the age of 26. I think the cost alves would be the same for Shaw tbh.

The media often lists the full price of the transfer which includes initial transfer fees, adds on and etc.

True about foreign clubs but when was the last genuine great or potential to be great fullback sold to another club?
Alves?

 

[thinktank]

NOT AGAIN lol

Nothing to do with Pochettino developing them further through good coaching I suppose!!!

He's turned them into a very good side, that's the point.

I've stopped replying to them now, I'm spent. It's pointless. They will just have to see.

 

[spurs9]

FFP will definitely have an effect on transfer problem is with the world coming out of a recession the huge brands with throw money at the elite and raise the transfers fees again.

The thing is Ferdinand cost £30million(23), Lescott £24million(26) and Alves cost £23million rising to £30million at the age of 26. I think the cost alves would be the same for Shaw tbh.

The media often lists the full price of the transfer which includes initial transfer fees, adds on and etc.

True about foreign clubs but when was the last genuine great or potential to be great fullback sold to another club?
Alves?

Do you think he could end up as the best full back in the world?

 

[beats1]

Do you think he could end up as the best full back in the world?

I think he has potential to be one of the best in the league but as for the world, you never know who might come through next

How much would Cole been worth a couple of years ago? Baines has been talked about being £28million last and this season and yet Shaw is having a great second season in the PL at 18 and will have a big resale value

 

[spurs9]

I think he has potential to be one of the best in the league but as for the world, you never know who might come through next

How much would Cole been worth a couple of years ago? Baines has been talked about being £28million last and this season and yet Shaw is having a great second season in the PL at 18 and will have a big resale value

Cole went for 5m plus Gallas when he was 25 and I can't believe Baines was being talked about for 28m last year, that is insane.

I do get your point though, but believe it is a moot point anyway, as I think he is off to Man Utd.

Personally I would prefer Rodriquez, who is being touted as being 12-15m.

 

[ravo]

Scheinderlin = the true unsung hero at Southampton. I hardly watch them but a coaching friend of mine reckons he is the absolute bollocks, and will move to a champs league club in the near future.

This bit is true !!!

He is the one player Poch should bring with him. I've kept an eye on his progress and he is probably the most underrated player in the prem. Perfect all-round DM.

 

[OmarsComing]

NOT AGAIN lol

Nothing to do with Pochettino developing them further through good coaching I suppose!!!

He's turned them into a very good side, that's the point.

So iyo who would get the credit for developing Bale at Spurs?

What about the stat I read that Southampton have never won a match after leading and then conceding, making the match all square?

And if he did become our manager, will you be satisfied hearing his post match comments in Spanish? How many foreign managers have conducted their press conferences in their mother tongue, two whole years after arriving in the country?

#notconvincedwithPoch

 

[Flashspur]

we'll have to learn Spanish then, duh!

 

[yankspurs]

we'll have to learn Spanish then, duh!

Yo quiero taco bell is about as far as i go with spanish. So hope Poch is comfortable speaking english in front of the media that cover us.

 

[ilikeost]

Grunching the thread but Lol at Poch being touted in the top 5 EPL managers of the season

Nothing to do with having the 8th best squad in the league?

Boruc = solid (except away @ "The Death Star")

Two RB similar, if not with more potential than our Kyles.

Lovern = one of the best CB in the league last season

Shaw = £30m LB

Scheinderlin = the true unsung hero at Southampton. I hardly watch them but a coaching friend of mine reckons he is the absolute bollocks, and will move to a champs league club in the near future.

Lallana = £30m midfielder

Lambert = a peasant's Alan Shearer

Jay Rodriguez = £25m forward.

Then Ward-Prowse and the endless conveyer belt of promising youngsters. If they had kept Bale, Walcott and Crazy Frog they might have been challenging for the title!

#unconvincedwithPoch

Hah, how many of those would you have rated that way before Pochettino arrived? My guess is about 0.

 

[EastLondonYid]

I just don't view it as simply as that. You have to look at the context in each case. Southampton are never going to win titles unless someone buys them in similar fashion to that of Man City. That's the simple truth of it. However, despite having a good sqaud, Pochettino has managed them to a very respectable finishing position whilst playing very good football.

Its his potential that excites me and its easy to see why he's being heavily linked with us. Its only a matter of time before he gets a bigger job, if he doesn't with us, I'm sure he will with someone else soon enough.

FDB has obviously done very well with Ajax but the reality is he's at a Club that is exceptionally well placed to win things - domestically anyway. Yes he's lost some of his best players, but their academy is superb and their rivals lose players to.

I'm not knocking it by the way, it does deserve praise for sure, no question, but when weighing all this up you need to apply perspective. Pochettino's experience and proven coaching ability in this League should certainly be high up in Levy's thinking. The fact that he made such a quick and impressive impact with Southampton must appeal as well, not to mention if he can apply the same here with a superior group of players.

I can see why FDB is an exciting candidate for most people, but just because he's won things with Ajax doesn't mean he's going to slot seemingly into way of life in this League. Pochettino isn't guaranteed it either in terms of us, but he's less of a risk in terms of a slow adapting period IMO.

I agree with everything you say and i am completely split on who i prefer, either would be great.

Just one point on FdB, i read how highly Jan and Eriksen rate him and what he did for them, coupled with what he has achieved both as a player and a manager and he seems an outstanding choice.

Lets be realistic, we can only really get our hands on FdB at this stage of his managerial career before the big european giants come calling or alternatively much later in years to come when he is on the slide, because the way he is going atm ,bigger fish will come calling very soon if we don't act this season,i can see him managing the likes of Barca one day... the good thing about Frank is he likes a long project and could transform us from youth to first team.

But like i said i do see and like what Poch is doing and would take him in a heartbeat.