The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[CJMurray]

Rose isn't fast. More than once last year he was comfortably outpaced by players that wouldn't be regarded as fast. I wouldn't be surprised if he was slower than Davies (who isn't that slow).

I can't believe you've watched both players and came to the conclusion that Davies is faster than Rose.

Rose isn't lightning, but he's far quicker than Davies.

 

[Sevens]

I can't believe you've watched both players and came to the conclusion that Davies is faster than Rose.

Rose isn't lightning, but he's far quicker than Davies.

I didn't say Davies was faster than Rose. I said it wouldn't surprise me. The thing is it all depends on fast. Agility and balance are big factors in speed on a football field. Rose is more agile and has better balance than Davies so I wouldn't be surprised if he was comfortably faster than Davies over the first 20 yards. But on top speed it's hard to say, primarily because Rose isn't exactly one to bust a gut at break neck speed tracking back where Davies is.

Don't forget our fastest player in the Premiership last season was Eric Dier in terms of top speed. And yet if that information hadn't been proven I doubt many fans would realise that Dier is one of the fastest top speed players at the club.

 

[Barry Mead]

And Chelsea have the financial clout and resources to assemble a squad that any manager would jump at the chance to manage. Comparatively, we don't have the same resources, yet somehow believe that top managers should find us a desirable prospect. Some perspective is sorely needed.

We are a lot further ahead in the revenue charts than most teams in the PL so you are right some perspective is needed, we have finished on average around 5th the last 10 years, we have a great fan base, we have a state of the art training facility, we are a London based team and tend to pay decent money. We will always attract managers, the fact that we have sacked quite a few under ENIC is not going to deter applicants, for sure some of the best will look at Chavs and City ahead of us if there is an opening but it doesn't mean we wouldn't get interest when those roles are filled

 

[Barry Mead]

I was referring to the players sold on the youth front at Southampton you look to Ward Prowse, Shaw and Chambers, at Spurs you have Kane, Bentaleb, Mason and Rose.

I know what you were trying to say but you mentioned the likes of Lambert, Lallana and Lovren who ain't exactly youth players

 

[voxy28]

I think Poch is perfect for the job. Where the discretion seems to come is the difference in what many fans perceive as what "the job" is.

To me Poch is a builder. He helps promote a team culture and unity and cuts out those who don't participate. We're currently seeing a lot of this in action. He plays and trains youth more so than 99% of other managers so he creates a gateway to the academy which seems to be what we want our focal point to be.

I don't expect tactical wizardry from him so that we can sneak a fourth place spot. I think he's here to set a foundation for this team and I think he's doing it.

Just wonder if he built an Espanyol team...... Since he only had a season in Saints.

Was he successful and which are the young players he had introduce to La Liga?

 

[balalasaurus]

We are a lot further ahead in the revenue charts than most teams in the PL so you are right some perspective is needed, we have finished on average around 5th the last 10 years, we have a great fan base, we have a state of the art training facility, we are a London based team and tend to pay decent money. We will always attract managers, the fact that we have sacked quite a few under ENIC is not going to deter applicants, for sure some of the best will look at Chavs and City ahead of us if there is an opening but it doesn't mean we wouldn't get interest when those roles are filled

Yes but in an industry where job security is already an issue, we're not exactly a shining example to follow. My point is that teams like Chelsea and City will always be a better prospect relative to us for any manager simply because of the fact that said managers will find greater tools with which they can ply their trade. We, on the other hand, have to make do with significantly less and having a revolving door for managers doesn't make us any more attractive a prospect. We might have potential but if we never give anyone a chance, how can we expect candidates to give us a chance to begin with?

 

[Timberwolf]

You can give him all the time you want, but if things don't pick up soon Levy won't think twice about pulling the trigger.

I get the feeling Levy will be more patient with Poch than with previous managers. We're in a period of transition and Poch seems willing to work on a budget and bring through youth. He's also by far the least abrasive manager we've had in recent years and seems to have a good relationship with the board, the players, and acquits himself well (albeit predictably) with the press.

Our performances are inconsistent and I find Poch lacking tactically, but I'm also willing to give him time. I suspect, barring a Ramos style capitulation, he'll be sticking around for a few years.

 

[Jimmyjimmyo]

Poch I can live with. These fly-by-night franchse-fans, who would question a manager after the 3rd match of his second campaign because......well shit, because we don't have but two points dammit.

a) find a new sport or activity. You're not built for the heartache that is Spurs. Seriously......find a new club, new sport, whatever.....It takes balls to support this club. You don't have them. You're meant to be City fan.

That's not bad. Just be honest with yourself.

b) if you can handle being one of us then 1) not the best choice for your health 2) BREATHE. Find a way to be zen about this because seriously, you can't do anything about it anyway. 3) And why would you want to.....it's 3 games. Seriously.

c) nobody is required to play the way Bill played. If you're hear for a style......then you deserve the misery. Good teams build from the back and the last piece is the attack, especially the attack that sets tones for a generation. So at least understand how one might go about building towards an attack minded side in the long run.

we all want a club that plays the most exciting football on the planet. You kind of just make do when you're building a youth movement.

d) you seriously are the problem. Not Levy. Not Jenas (or whoever is his current roster holder of scape-goat). Not Doris. Not Frank. Not Sugar. Not the way Chelsea plays with us in the transfer market. Not the fax machine. Not the scouts. Or the coaches. Or the players. No....it's you. Because your demands are unreasonable, relentless and taint everything around this club with the negativity that has made us second rate since the 80's. The fans are the only problems at this club. And it seems that has carried over to even the supporters. But both of you cut it the fuck out.

So.....you fuck off to City or PSG, the NFL, WWF or whoever.

And let the rest of us get on with it.

When he was hired his brief was to play football the Tottenham way Commenting on the appointment Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy said: "In Mauricio I believe we have a head coach who, with his high energy, attacking football, will embrace the style of play we associate with our club. He has a proven ability to develop each player as an individual, whilst building great team spirit and a winning mentality.

He has had a year and if he is building from the back then he is clueless as even with one of the best keepers in the world we are shocking game after game, if we were solid but functional then you could say he is laying a foundation but we are as useful as a chocolate fireguard at the back

We don't press, every player looks Knackered and a lot of have gotten worse under his tenure or been shipped out as he has failed to manage them properly, also teams with a winning mentality don't switch off and shit a brick every time an opponent runs at them.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I get the feeling Levy will be more patient with Poch than with previous managers. .

Of course, low maintenance, low fuzz, no ego, no frills manager.
But there's a limit to everything. Relegation zone tolerance is off the table. Every fool knows that.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

Poch was successful (ish) at Southampton because his style of playing coincided with the qualities of the playing staff at the club when he arrived there.
This has not been the case at spurs and he has not so far shown the flexibility to be able to change to a new style appropriate for this group of players and the traditions of Tottenham Hotspur.
He won't be dismissed by levy any time soon because of the financial implications of sacking him, prising a new manager and his team away from another team, buying in new players, etc. However if we do perform particularly poorly in the next few months I guess this could change.
Hopefully he can prove us all wrong and develop the tactical skills necessary to succeed. He is highly regarded by a lot of people who must have seen qualities in him we haven't yet seen.

 

[SteveH]

You can give him all the time you want, but if things don't pick up soon Levy won't think twice about pulling the trigger.

Think he will give him time - we know there is little point in changing the manager for the sake of it!
Poch will not sort this squad out till at least the next window. so he's going no where.

Who should you replace him with who would want to come to Spurs?
I bet you were thinking Redknapp.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Think he will give him time - we know there is little point in changing the manager for the sake of it!
Poch will not sort this squad out till at least the next window. so he's going no where.

Who should you replace him with who would want to come to Spurs?
I bet you were thinking Redknapp.

I do admire your persistence. It is literally (in the literal sense of the word) second to none.
However, as it turns out, there is little point in hiring a manager for the sake of it also ...

 

[Mustard]

Poch I can live with. These fly-by-night franchse-fans, who would question a manager after the 3rd match of his second campaign because......well shit, because we don't have but two points dammit.

a) find a new sport or activity. You're not built for the heartache that is Spurs. Seriously......find a new club, new sport, whatever.....It takes balls to support this club. You don't have them. You're meant to be City fan.

That's not bad. Just be honest with yourself.

b) if you can handle being one of us then 1) not the best choice for your health 2) BREATHE. Find a way to be zen about this because seriously, you can't do anything about it anyway. 3) And why would you want to.....it's 3 games. Seriously.

c) nobody is required to play the way Bill played. If you're hear for a style......then you deserve the misery. Good teams build from the back and the last piece is the attack, especially the attack that sets tones for a generation. So at least understand how one might go about building towards an attack minded side in the long run.

we all want a club that plays the most exciting football on the planet. You kind of just make do when you're building a youth movement.

d) you seriously are the problem. Not Levy. Not Jenas (or whoever is his current roster holder of scape-goat). Not Doris. Not Frank. Not Sugar. Not the way Chelsea plays with us in the transfer market. Not the fax machine. Not the scouts. Or the coaches. Or the players. No....it's you. Because your demands are unreasonable, relentless and taint everything around this club with the negativity that has made us second rate since the 80's. The fans are the only problems at this club. And it seems that has carried over to even the supporters. But both of you cut it the fuck out.

So.....you fuck off to City or PSG, the NFL, WWF or whoever.

And let the rest of us get on with it.

What a guy!

 

[Jimmyjimmyo]

Think he will give him time - we know there is little point in changing the manager for the sake of it!
Poch will not sort this squad out till at least the next window. so he's going no where.

Who should you replace him with who would want to come to Spurs?
I bet you were thinking Redknapp.

Why is it always the next window? Then we will have the usual players don't move in the winter window excuse, he has shown no improvement in the style of play or ability of the players via his coaching methods and even guys like Benteleb have gone backwards

I think we need to hire a defensive coach to work alongside him as that seems to be a massive weakness in his abilities and he needs to replace his fitness guys as 3 games in the players look tired and a little jaded

 

[SteveH]

Why is it always the next window? Then we will have the usual players don't move in the winter window excuse, he has shown no improvement in the style of play or ability of the players via his coaching methods and even guys like Benteleb have gone backwards

I think we need to hire a defensive coach to work alongside him as that seems to be a massive weakness in his abilities and he needs to replace his fitness guys as 3 games in the players look tired and a little jaded

nothing to do buying player - we will still be selling our cockups!

 

[Jimmyjimmyo]

nothing to do buying player - we will still be selling our cockups!

He seems to be creating them faster than we can sell them to be fair.

 

[dannythomas]

Last season I was under the impression we were the fittest team in the country, apparently feeling the huge benefits of Poch's intense fitness training , winning numerous matches with last minute goals because we were fitter and stronger than our opponents. The effectiveness of our pressing game in the opposing half bringing us those wins against Chelsea and Arsenal.
This season we are exhausted after 3 games, conceding late goals and play slow tempo sideways passing going nowhere. You could put AVB back in charge and not notice any difference.

 

[Barry Mead]

Yes but in an industry where job security is already an issue, we're not exactly a shining example to follow. My point is that teams like Chelsea and City will always be a better prospect relative to us for any manager simply because of the fact that said managers will find greater tools with which they can ply their trade. We, on the other hand, have to make do with significantly less and having a revolving door for managers doesn't make us any more attractive a prospect. We might have potential but if we never give anyone a chance, how can we expect candidates to give us a chance to begin with?

Top teams will always be more attractive but that doesn't make us any less attractive to managers and coaches who are looking for a club when the top clubs already have those positions filled

Managers look at the club and the job, the only consideration of previous sacked managers is trying to use it to get an extra year on their contract to pad out their pay off if the same happens

 

[SteveH]

Christ this place is suffering from mass neurosis.

My remedy for those suffering is get an allotment....

 

[Barry Mead]

nothing to do buying player - we will still be selling our cockups!

You see this is where I disagree with the term cock ups, the majority of players we signed have been because they were doing really well at previous clubs under different coaches. They weren't bad players that arrived only that have left. Isn't a lot of that down to the coach? finding the right shape and style to make them work, working on their strengths and weaknesses, selecting the players around them that maximise those strengths whilst mitigating their weaknesses
This whole idea of any coach having to come in and bring in all his own players and drastically overhaul the squad is imo a lot of nonsense. Sure it's always likely there will always be a couple of weak links in any squad that need to be changed, but if you need a complete overhaul-particularly in a team that has finished around top five for best part of the last decade then you have gotten the wrong coach.
What bothers me about Poch is that he can't seem to get his ideas across to the players and feels he needs a huge change round already more than 20 first team players in or out in just over a year but still needing his players. Then of course who are his players? judging by a lot of links many were his old Soton players, the same players that finished below us and our bunch of cockups two years back
I worry about his limited tactics, his limited experience, his apparent dogmatic approach and his seeming inability to get the best out of a number of players who other coaches have managed to get very good service out of