The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Everlasting Seconds]

More evidence that the brightest managers in football have no clue what they're doing at all.

Heard Poch said something along those lines to Lennon as well. This kind of thing is really cracking man management. Really intelligent.

Agreed.
It should always be a positive worded challenge. Along the lines of "you'll get the chance to prove your self, take it, and you are in". I can see that both AVB and Pochettino might have some issues with communicating one on one to individual players. Something probably Redknapp did quite well on.

 

[Barry Mead]

Barry, the previous managers all got pretty much the same stick as the current one is getting, with a tweak here or there…..so i'm not sure they did.

I wasn't referring to ours but to the coaches of the likes of Soldado, Lamela, Paulinho, Capoue etc. They were all playing really well at their previous clubs when we bought them, it's not that we bought bad players, so how did those coaches manage to get that much more out of them. Yes we can always play the different league excuse but whilst a few players never quite settle often times it's about position and role, how they are introduced into the team, what players are around them etc-basically good coaching or bad coaching can make a huge difference

 

[Barry Mead]

If that's the case then why take the job to begin with? Operating under that premise implies that they believe that the likelihood of them being jobless in the near future is high which further implies that we're seen as nothing as more than a cash cow for managers. As far as top managers are concerned, they want to win, not just be paid well. If paying well is all we have to offer, then how can we expect to attract winners?

But that's the point managers with belief believe they can win and will thrive, they don't think they'll get the sack, if five managers have been sacked in the last five years a good manager will think I can do that job and they won't want to sack me, I'll show the previous managers how to do it. Their agents might say hold on we'll ask for a longer contract because they have a reputation for firing managers but the managers/coaches themselves will be thinking I can thrive here

 

[balalasaurus]

But that's the point managers with belief believe they can win and will thrive, they don't think they'll get the sack, if five managers have been sacked in the last five years a good manager will think I can do that job and they won't want to sack me, I'll show the previous managers how to do it. Their agents might say hold on we'll ask for a longer contract because they have a reputation for firing managers but the managers/coaches themselves will be thinking I can thrive here

All I see you saying is a lot of 'if this' and 'maybe that'. I personally prefer to deal with probabilities, not possibilities. But hey you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Did VdV not say recently that AVB point blankly said that Siggy would be his first choice in that position and then VdV decided to look for another club, when AVB came back to tell VdV he was still in his plans it was too late?

I believe he was threatened by VDV's strong and outspoken character.

 

[Barry Mead]

All I see you saying is a lot of 'if this' and 'maybe that'. I personally prefer to deal with probabilities, not possibilities. But hey you're entitled to your opinion.

Well your probabilities are what I would describe as possibilities and what you feel are my possibilities are the probabilities, both are opinions

 

[Database]

So why is everyone blaming Poch when he has to make do with what we have? He doesn't hold all the cards, Levy does and always will.

Quote is from closed "Has Levy fucked it again" thread.

Quality players mass exodus has been happening because Pochettino can't handle egos. I have never been Levy's fan, but it's not his fault if this current coach is saying that twenty players are not in his "plans".

 

[olliec]

Quote is from closed "Has Levy fucked it again" thread.

Quality players mass exodus has been happening because Pochettino can't handle egos. I have never been Levy's fan, but it's not his fault if this current coach is saying that twenty players are not in his "plans".

Like Paulinho? Okay joking aside. We don't know what is going on behind the scene, but I do agree that Lennon certainly has more to offer than Lamella (deliberately misspelled)

 

[Spurger King]

Quote is from closed "Has Levy fucked it again" thread.

Quality players mass exodus is Pochettino's fault. I have never been Levy's fan, but it's not his fault if this current coach is saying that twenty players are not in his "plans".

It's a strange amalgamation of AVB and Sherwood's approaches to man management. AVB was widely criticised at the time for giving Adebayor the cold shoulder to the point where there were rumours that Levy was putting pressure on AVB to play him.

Sherwood obviously brought Adebayor back into the fold (to excellent effect), but was also criticised for dropping Capoue, Holtby, Sandro, and Paulinho.

In both cases a lot of people attacked their lack of man management skills, yet Pochettino dropped/sold all of them (ok, maybe Sandro had already gone), as well as a few others like Lennon and Kaboul, and is widely praised for being able to get rid of the 'bad apples'

I see little difference to the approaches to man management from all three managers, so either they're all a bit crap at working with difficult players, or they were all correct in trying to ostracise negative influences.

 

[olliec]

Lennon doesn't stike me as someone who has a huge ego though. I really don't understand the story with him to be honest, but I know he can offer more than what Lamela is currently doing. We have no pace at all going forward and it depresses me that 3 years ago we would catch teams so well on the counter but now when we break I just go meh because I know it's going to end up back in the centre with Dembele who cannot pick a pass to save his life!

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Quote is from closed "Has Levy fucked it again" thread.

Quality players mass exodus has been happening because Pochettino can't handle egos. I have never been Levy's fan, but it's not his fault if this current coach is saying that twenty players are not in his "plans".

Who are these "quality" players of whom you speak?

 

[ethanedwards]

Who are these "quality" players of whom you speak?

Probably the ones that helped us secure 72 points, under the guidance of two coaches deemed not good enough.
Just can't figure how we got so many points that year,any ideas?

 

[Barry Mead]

Quote is from closed "Has Levy fucked it again" thread.

Quality players mass exodus has been happening because Pochettino can't handle egos. I have never been Levy's fan, but it's not his fault if this current coach is saying that twenty players are not in his "plans".

I understand your point and I have some sympathy with that view, but Levy was the guy who decided Poch was the right choice. There were warning signs at Espanyol about Poch and some of the more senior players, add that to his dogmatic tactical approach you have to question how Poch made the short list never mind getting the job, but it was Levy's decision so he can't escape criticism

 

[NEVILLEB]

Quote is from closed "Has Levy fucked it again" thread.

Quality players mass exodus has been happening because Pochettino can't handle egos. I have never been Levy's fan, but it's not his fault if this current coach is saying that twenty players are not in his "plans".

Max exodus is happening because Levy appointed a muppet like AVB and let him buy all the wrong players.

 

[mano-obe]

Baldini had control over the transfers, AVB wanted to build a team around Moutinho and we got Paulinho instead. Lennon has always needed competition to improve his game, he never took his game to another level and I don't think that impressed MP all that much, yes he helps defending but offered diddly squat going forwards. As for Adebayor he picks and chooses who he wants to play for. I don't think Levy is easy to work with, just like he isn't easy to deal with during transfers either, MP didn't get who he wanted last summer and I'm not sure how much of a say he is having now

 

[hellava_tough]

Baldini had control over the transfers, AVB wanted to build a team around Moutinho and we got Paulinho instead. Lennon has always needed competition to improve his game, he never took his game to another level and I don't think that impressed MP all that much, yes he helps defending but offered diddly squat going forwards. As for Adebayor he picks and chooses who he wants to play for. I don't think Levy is easy to work with, just like he isn't easy to deal with during transfers either, MP didn't get who he wanted last summer and I'm not sure how much of a say he is having now

If this is true, and to be honest I don't doubt it, why doesn't Levy appoint a coach who's happy just to just...er...coach?

Someone who doesn't care about the players he's given; someone who enjoys taking the players available and getting the best out of them.

It seems a bit ridiculous hiring the likes of AVB and Poch, who clearly have specific players in mind for their respective systems, when Levy knows it's highly unlikely that they're going to get said players.

 

[fedupyid]

Poch's interviews are starting to get on my nerves. The man keeps hinting we may be signing players. I miss the days of Harry but he would always be honest wth how close transfers are.

 

[Black]

Max exodus is happening because Levy appointed a muppet like AVB and let him buy all the wrong players.

i would not say they were the wrong players none of them seemed to excel in this "fluid" square pegs in round holes 4231 formation

Poch's interviews are starting to get on my nerves. The man keeps hinting we may be signing players. I miss the days of Harry but he would always be honest wth how close transfers are.

but spurs fans dont want the truth they LOVE being bullshitted

 

[beats1]

Baldini had control over the transfers, AVB wanted to build a team around Moutinho and we got Paulinho instead. Lennon has always needed competition to improve his game, he never took his game to another level and I don't think that impressed MP all that much, yes he helps defending but offered diddly squat going forwards. As for Adebayor he picks and chooses who he wants to play for. I don't think Levy is easy to work with, just like he isn't easy to deal with during transfers either, MP didn't get who he wanted last summer and I'm not sure how much of a say he is having now

Not true, I think Paulinho was an AVB signing so that he could play a similar role to Guarin. He wanted Dempsey in addition to Moutinho and got Dempsey instead

 

[tonyc]

I understand your point and I have some sympathy with that view, but Levy was the guy who decided Poch was the right choice. There were warning signs at Espanyol about Poch and some of the more senior players, add that to his dogmatic tactical approach you have to question how Poch made the short list never mind getting the job, but it was Levy's decision so he can't escape criticism

Barry,

Not often I disagree with you on, football matters anyway ;-), but I thought that the general 'informed' view was it was Mr Lewis pushing for MP and that he (MP) was not DL's preferred choice.

Best wishes,

Tony