The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Mullers]

Who cares?

You do for a start. If you didn't you would have just ignored the post.

 

[Misfit]

There is no proof either way mate so I guess we will never know -

I absolutely agree with your second paragraph. I think its worth noting that while we needed to re-enforce that winter we also had a good enough side to finish 3rd that season - we really did. And we played a good enough team to win one of the Loss to QPR, Loss to Norwich, Draw with Villa or Draw with Sunderland which could have given us the 2 points we needed to realise that

We got 6/7pts from 9 games, or something equally pathetic, when this Ingerlund shit blew up. Had we even been just average for that quarter of the season, we'd have got over the line. The final straw was getting our destiny back in our own hands with a couple of games left and then laying a log against Villa.

I would have been surprised had we not seen a dip in results just because they happen during a season and with the added drah-mah of the FA shite but that wasn't a dip. I'm still seething about it tbh.

 

[SHAMON]

That not essentially correct - Its not like we lost to Man U and Chelsea in that period - I definitely am not implying that Harry would have beaten everyone and anyone if he wasnt distracted - hes proven he cannot do that anyway.

I believe it was QPR and Norwich that we lost to and we drew with Sunderland - 3 teams we had beaten earlier in that season and who we would have been favorites to beat in each game.

I dont care if he wanted to be England Manager/King/Queen - anything. He had a job, was being paid to do a job and completely got carried away with the media circus and hype being built up around him.

He acted unprofessionally

Tapping up other coaches to come work with him for a Job he didnt even have.

I dont solely blame him but to deny he was distracted at that time is going against his own words and I believe it had a detrimental effect - No one on here can know how detrimental it was but he is meant to be a leader and i was not impressed at the time nor now with how he conducted himself during that period......also considering he had missed part of the season because of a court case - he should have been giving even more to us during the end of that season.

He was in the middle of a court case as well, which, if you read his biography was playing on his mind much more than the England manager role. Harry was genuinely scared of being locked up. I'd say that was the reason his mind wasn't in the job as much as he should have been.

 

[Misfit]

Still, at least he got his wish and Chelsea won the CL, so something positive came out of that season.

 

[eViL]

There's only one manager who got Adebayor onside at any club and that was the P.E teacher; and really, how long would that have lasted?

Everyone has had a fair crack under Poch. I agree, Stambouli was a strange one but ultimately, Poch's system requires proper athletes. Being a hard worker doesn't make you a natural athlete and that was ultimately Benji's downfall.

I don't think team spirit and the management of players is under question at the moment. We are the fittest and physically most powerful team in the Premier League right now; for which even I'm surprised, because I thought we were looking a little too lean and lightweight coming out of pre-season. We also have a lot more fight in the team and we're hating on opposition players a lot more than in previous seasons. (I hate seeing our players being over-friendly to the opposition during games)

I feel we're really on the verge of something special with Poch. We need him tied down Wenger-esque in close season otherwise other clubs with better resources will start circling; the real test of Poch's man-management will be when bigger fish start coming for individual players and whether the players in question choose to stay.

The efficient football is slowly getting more and more 'Spursy' and the players are beginning to express themselves as the team is settling - you can see confidence growing off the back of strong fitness and the fact that opposing teams aren't really hurting us much. With Son, Bentaleb and Mason fighting for starting spots and the massive improvement of the back line; I can't help but get excited about NEXT season already; I actually think we're nailed on for a CL spot this season but ssshhhh.

Quick mention on the Redknapp bullshit again; Harry was the right appointment at the time but as a developing club he was the wrong man for the long run. Flirtation via the Media for the England job was disrespectful to the club, insisting on being Manager rather than Head Coach when all he wanted to do was be involved with was the 1st team was stupid and egotistical, poor player fitness and lack of rotation resulted in some dire long-ball performances in final thirds of seasons that are easily forgotten around the CL qualification and impressive derby performances despite regularly failing to beat relegation threatened teams.

If Redknapp is so good, why isn't he managing Real Madrid, Barca, Manure, Shitty, the Chavs or Bin Dippers by now? They've all had vacancies since Redknapp left us. The cream always rises to the top eventually..

 

[SHAMON]

The cream always rises to the top eventually..

I stand by this sentiment in life. It's a truth.

 

[dudu]

He was in the middle of a court case as well, which, if you read his biography was playing on his mind much more than the England manager role. Harry was genuinely scared of being locked up. I'd say that was the reason his mind wasn't in the job as much as he should have been.

I think he was cleared of Tax evasion on Feb 8th - we played Norwich on the 9th of April. I dont think he was worried about about getting locked up a couple of weeks before even then or else why is he asking Brendon to be the assistant England Manger when we played Swansea?

Im not saying absolutely no one else is to blame but even if for a minute he is acting in training, in the media or anywhere like he already has a new job do you think that is not going to affect the players at all?

 

[Riandor]

Even if HR was focused on Spurs and not just England, the fact remains that the uncertainty it would have caused players about the future would of been enough.

Harry misjudged it and it cost us all. But my biggest beef was him going into contract negotiations off of the back of all that and acting all Billy big bollocks with his dimwit of an agent.

Had he taken it on the chin and looked to get himself and spurs back on track we might of forgiven the distraction and left most of the blame with the inept FA and media.

 

[eViL]

It's called being professional. Not a facking wheeler dealer. 'Arry.

 

[Mullers]

There's only one manager who got Adebayor onside at any club and that was the P.E teacher; and really, how long would that have lasted?

Everyone has had a fair crack under Poch. I agree, Stambouli was a strange one but ultimately, Poch's system requires proper athletes. Being a hard worker doesn't make you a natural athlete and that was ultimately Benji's downfall.

I don't think team spirit and the management of players is under question at the moment. We are the fittest and physically most powerful team in the Premier League right now; for which even I'm surprised, because I thought we were looking a little too lean and lightweight coming out of pre-season. We also have a lot more fight in the team and we're hating on opposition players a lot more than in previous seasons. (I hate seeing our players being over-friendly to the opposition during games)

I feel we're really on the verge of something special with Poch. We need him tied down Wenger-esque in close season otherwise other clubs with better resources will start circling; the real test of Poch's man-management will be when bigger fish start coming for individual players and whether the players in question choose to stay.

The efficient football is slowly getting more and more 'Spursy' and the players are beginning to express themselves as the team is settling - you can see confidence growing off the back of strong fitness and the fact that opposing teams aren't really hurting us much. With Son, Bentaleb and Mason fighting for starting spots and the massive improvement of the back line; I can't help but get excited about NEXT season already; I actually think we're nailed on for a CL spot this season but ssshhhh.

Quick mention on the Redknapp bullshit again; Harry was the right appointment at the time but as a developing club he was the wrong man for the long run. Flirtation via the Media for the England job was disrespectful to the club, insisting on being Manager rather than Head Coach when all he wanted to do was be involved with was the 1st team was stupid and egotistical, poor player fitness and lack of rotation resulted in some dire long-ball performances in final thirds of seasons that are easily forgotten around the CL qualification and impressive derby performances despite regularly failing to beat relegation threatened teams.

If Redknapp is so good, why isn't he managing Real Madrid, Barca, Manure, Shitty, the Chavs or Bin Dippers by now? They've all had vacancies since Redknapp left us. The cream always rises to the top eventually..

I don't know who you mean by PE teacher but initially at least, all the managers since he left Monaco have got goals out of him. With us it was Redknapp and Sherwood who got the best out of him. I never wanted us to buy him, however cheap he was and said that at the time. I wanted him gone when he had the bust up with AVB, I'm glad he doesn't play for us any more but as a human being I do care that he felt suicidal and fell into depression when he saw his team mates die and I do care that perhaps someone with that state of mind was not perhaps treated as carefully as they might have been my feelings for Spurs doesn't override that.

 

[eViL]

I don't know who you mean by PE teacher but initially at least, all the managers since he left Monaco have got goals out of him. With us it was Redknapp and Sherwood who got the best out of him. I never wanted us to buy him, however cheap he was and said that at the time. I wanted him gone when he had the bust up with AVB, I'm glad he doesn't play for us any more but as a human being I do care that he felt suicidal and fell into depression when he saw his team mates die and I do care that perhaps someone with that state of mind was not perhaps treated as carefully as they might have been my feelings for Spurs doesn't override that.

And as I have said previously, the man has access to the very best of help due to his wealth, was played by both AVB and Poch when they first arrived when all he wanted to do was 'concentrate on his first passion - football', the club gave him time off when he needed it. What else can any person or organisation do for Adebayor that he can't do for himself?

And before we go down the 'How can you possibly understand the trauma he's been through' my family and I have seen and been through plenty and till manage to get on with life earning in ten years what Adebayor earns in a week.

 

[Mullers]

And as I have said previously, the man has access to the very best of help due to his wealth, was played by both AVB and Poch when they first arrived when all he wanted to do was 'concentrate on his first passion - football', the club gave him time off when he needed it. What else can any person or organisation do for Adebayor that he can't do for himself?

And before we go down the 'How can you possibly understand the trauma he's been through' my family and I have seen and been through plenty and till manage to get on with life earning in ten years what Adebayor earns in a week.

Having access to the best treatment doesn't mean you will easily get over depression. Gary Speed killed himself, Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie have suffered from depression for years and are still suffering. We did the right thing by giving him compassionate leave but I think we should have been honest about about his future and not lead him on, certain people will think if it's in the best interest of spurs,then that kind of thing doesn't matter but I think it does.

Some people were thinking that Soldado and Chadil should just deal it with as Defoe dealt with his tragedies but everybody is different, it's not a contest to see who the strongest. It doesn't mean that someone is weak because they take a longer time to get over death than another person.

 

[Misfit]

I think he was cleared of Tax evasion on Feb 8th - we played Norwich on the 9th of April. I dont think he was worried about about getting locked up a couple of weeks before even then or else why is he asking Brendon to be the assistant England Manger when we played Swansea?

Im not saying absolutely no one else is to blame but even if for a minute he is acting in training, in the media or anywhere like he already has a new job do you think that is not going to affect the players at all?

Exactly. It actually all went to utter shit after that. The Newcastle game was his return and we smashed them. Virtually everyone in ground singing "we want you to stay". We know what happened after that. Fucking disgraceful display of "professionalism" that you can only see in "pro" sports. You'd have been sacked from fucking Greggs for less.

 

[Mullers]

I think he was cleared of Tax evasion on Feb 8th - we played Norwich on the 9th of April. I dont think he was worried about about getting locked up a couple of weeks before even then or else why is he asking Brendon to be the assistant England Manger when we played Swansea?

Im not saying absolutely no one else is to blame but even if for a minute he is acting in training, in the media or anywhere like he already has a new job do you think that is not going to affect the players at all?

He hadn't been offered a new contract but the players were still performing.

The Chelsea board gave fat Rafa the title of interim manager, he had the fans jeering him and he told everyone that February he would be leaving at the end of the season. Yet Chelsea still finished third and won the Europa cup.

 

[dudu]

He hadn't been offered a new contract but the players were still performing.

The Chelsea board gave fat Rafa the title of interim manager, he had the fans jeering him and he told everyone that February he would be leaving at the end of the season. Yet Chelsea still finished third and won the Europa cup.

That shows me what a professional Rafa was and how he was able to keep the players professional during a(nother) farcical manager merry go-round at their club.

 

[Mullers]

That shows me what a professional Rafa was and how he was able to keep the players professional during a(nother) farcical manager merry go-round at their club.

But keeping the players professional wasn't only down to him, the players themselves had drive to come third and win a trophy and they didn't let the Di Matteo sacking disrupt them too much.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

He was one of the favourites for the job, if not the favourite. I think if you ask most English managers they would definitely want to be England manager at same stage in their career.

I mean he takes part responsibility for results and I think it was possible for us to do better but I don't see how bad results can solely or even partly blamed on thinking about the England job, remember that he also got to a FA cup semi final, ok we got hammered but that wasn't because of Harry thinking about the England job.

By blaming the bad results on his preoccupation with England, it's actually raising his standard to Ferguson type levels because it's saying he would have achieved a lot more than he did if he wasn't thinking about the England job..

A lot more than one win out of ten straight after the position became available you mean?

 

[dudu]

But keeping the players professional wasn't only down to him, the players themselves had drive to come third and win a trophy and they didn't let the Di Matteo sacking disrupt them too much.

but they did let the hiring of AVB.......

Reading this it is plain to see how well Rafa was conducting himself during his stint at Chelsea and how he knew tht winning games was the only thing that was going to change the Chelsea fans perspective.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20490145

Every manager is different. You cant look at one situation and say well that happened there so it should have happened the same here.

If you are acting like media hype and whispers about you getting a new job are true then why on earth should his players act any differently.

 

[Mullers]

but they did let the hiring of AVB.......

Reading this it is plain to see how well Rafa was conducting himself during his stint at Chelsea and how he knew tht winning games was the only thing that was going to change the Chelsea fans perspective.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20490145

Every manager is different. You cant look at one situation and say well that happened there so it should have happened the same here.

If you are acting like media hype and whispers about you getting a new job are true then why on earth should his players act any differently.

AVB tried change things but the players didn't buy into his philosphopy. Players should be proffesional they are paid to perform on the pitch regardless of the status of the manager. In our case if our players looked at Harry and thought to themselves, he's going to go to the England job, so what's the point of me playing well? Then I put the blame solely on the players shoulders, they are not children.

 

[dudu]

AVB tried change things but the players didn't buy into his philosphopy. Players should be proffesional they are paid to perform on the pitch regardless of the status of the manager. In our case if our players looked at Harry and thought to themselves, he's going to go to the England job, so what's the point of me playing well? Then I put the blame solely on the players shoulders, they are not children.

Some of them, relatively speaking, are mate. How can you lay the blame solely on the players shoulders is beyond me. Have you ever managed anyone before?

My point is that he acted in a hypocritical way.

Do you not think Redknapp or Levy told Modric he was to stay that last year, would get a transfer the following one and that he should act professionally while he was still at us? To get his head down and work and not be distracted by the transfer talk going on?

I think they would have said something to him in that respect - and when his head was ready he came back into the team and put in shift after shift for that.

Managers are also paid to be professional.

It is not professional to approach another manager as Spurs Manager for a job as assistant England Manager when you havent even got the England job, let alone another one to offer out to someone else.