The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Bus-Conductor]

Your fatalistic views on football are quite tedious at times. Why, as a Spurs fan, you're determined that Poch (and Kane, as you've said elsewhere) will up sticks for the first club that offers them more money is known only to you.

He's building something here. Scratch that, he has built something here. Something which is generating headlines across the country and being talked up as potentially the greatest managerial feat in the Premier League era.

You keep banging on about Poch being 'ambitious' and 'highly driven' because you think it supports your boring point, but if what you say about his character is true, then it would show far more 'ambition' and 'drive' to build a dynasty upon the rock he's already set in place at Spurs.

That's what happening right now. We're challenging for the title and are going to finish in the top 4. Man Utd aren't, and won't. Spurs and Pochettino are going places together, and it's no longer in the likes of Utd's power to stop it.

When you've finished wetting your knickers, perhaps you could go back and read what I actually wrote. I've never said either will up sticks for the first club that offers them more more money, in fact I started the post you quoted by saying I don't think he'll go to Chelsea, I just said I wouldn't dismiss him going to United out of hand.

It's got nothing to do with fatalism, it's just realism and the industry he is in. It is utterly rife with short-termism, and he knows full well he's only a season (or even half a bad season - see AVB or any one of a thousand others) from finding himself on the dole. Your willingness to ignore the vast body of evidence that suggests when the uber clubs come calling, loyalty will often go out the window is also tedious. He would be an absolute idiot not consider an offer from ManU for all the reasons I have given. He may think he will never get another chance as when his stock is so high, he may have such belief in his own ability that he will believe he can return them to the top of the pile and rewards for doing so - and I'm not just talking money here - will be hard to resist. To think he would just dismiss it out of hand is naive in the extreme.

I really hope he isn't offered the job. I really hope if he is he doesn't take it. I really hope that the next time Real Madrid offer us a world record fee and a 250k a week salary for a star player they say "no, I love spurs so much I'd rather stay here, play thursdays and get paid 75k. Unfortunately I choose to live in the real world, not the narnia you seem to have emigrated to.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

"Played at a level you could only dream of.."

Very coincidental that his disappearance from this site has come at a time when we're doing well...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Every managers philosophy is almost impossible to implement as a national team manager

Bielsa ? Del Bosque ? Assorted dutch, French, Italian, and German managers have all pretty much succeeded in transferring philosophies or at least versions of philosophies ?

In fact most English managers of England managed to successfully transfer the lack of a philosophy philosophy to the England job.

 

[Sweech]

Every managers philosophy is almost impossible to implement as a national team manager

What? That's not remotely true.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

This can be added to the list of iluvsteffenfreund's great calls.

As an ex-pro (allegedly), it is quite surprising that he has gotten so much wrong.

Man there are some proper doom and gloom posts from back then. I'm sure most of us wouldn't think we'd be quite where we are now but reading those posts shows how short term a lot of football fans have become.

 

[danielneeds]

This can be added to the list of iluvsteffenfreund's great calls.

As an ex-pro (allegedly), it is quite surprising that he has gotten so much wrong.

Ex-pros hardly get anything right ever - Savage, Sutton, Merson, etc etc, the list is endless.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Very coincidental that his disappearance from this site has come at a time when we're doing well...

Same could be said of @haydsmith

 

[Shadydan]

Same could be said of @haydsmith

And @Francis Gibbs

 

[Spurger King]

Man there are some proper doom and gloom posts from back then. I'm sure most of us wouldn't think we'd be quite where we are now but reading those posts shows how short term a lot of football fans have become.

Yep. I was certainly one of them. The spectre of AVB loomed large over my thoughts at the time. Didn't help that much of our football in his first season was pretty statuesque.

I just had visions of him being another flavour of the month manager that would come undone at Spurs. I'd also convinced myself that the main reason Southampton's players bought into his tactics and intense training was down to the majority simply being grateful to be playing in the Prem.

In my defence, very shortly after the mini player revolution that eventually saw Ade, Capoue, Kaboul, and Lennon go, I mentioned how we had a genuine chance of seeing a group of young players (many being homegrown and/or youth products) giving us a team we could love again. The way Pochettino has approached things since then has made that dream a reality, and I've been on board with his appointment ever since.

The one caveat is the issue of burn-out, but there are plenty of reasons to believe this won't be a major problem.

 

[glospur]

When you've finished wetting your knickers, perhaps you could go back and read what I actually wrote. I've never said either will up sticks for the first club that offers them more more money, in fact I started the post you quoted by saying I don't think he'll go to Chelsea, I just said I wouldn't dismiss him going to United out of hand.

It's got nothing to do with fatalism, it's just realism and the industry he is in. It is utterly rife with short-termism, and he knows full well he's only a season (or even half a bad season - see AVB or any one of a thousand others) from finding himself on the dole. Your willingness to ignore the vast body of evidence that suggests when the uber clubs come calling, loyalty will often go out the window is also tedious. He would be an absolute idiot not consider an offer from ManU for all the reasons I have given. He may think he will never get another chance as when his stock is so high, he may have such belief in his own ability that he will believe he can return them to the top of the pile and rewards for doing so - and I'm not just talking money here - will be hard to resist. To think he would just dismiss it out of hand is naive in the extreme.

I really hope he isn't offered the job. I really hope if he is he doesn't take it. I really hope that the next time Real Madrid offer us a world record fee and a 250k a week salary for a star player they say "no, I love spurs so much I'd rather stay here, play thursdays and get paid 75k. Unfortunately I choose to live in the real world, not the narnia you seem to have emigrated to.

This is a ridiculous response to a perfectly reasonable post. It's hardly 'realism' when your reasoning in your original post on why he would leave to United is entirely based on the assumption that you can read the man's mind and that you intimately know his character and personality, Your initial post had so many assumptions on what he would be thinking and how he would react to a job offer from United, none of which are really grounded in reality; they're just guesses so it's hardly realism to base your opinion on those guesses.

 

[LondonOllie]

I remember being pretty excited that LVG was talking to Spurs and that we might be getting a 'world class' manager. A smug Man U supporting friend I know, muttered something at the time along the lines of "what did you expect" and saying that we'd have to settle for Poch. Funnily enough, he's been pretty quiet over the last 6 months or so. Not wanting to be too distant, I sent him a Facebook message earlier offering my condolences about Rooney. ..... ...... 'crickets'

 

[adamthfc]

I agree, if we take the piss, dismantle hos project and sell the team from under him then he will very likely move on for bigger and better things, and so he should.
I bet that like me though, you hope we don't so we can be confident he won't.

Of course

 

[adamthfc]

I don't think he'd leave for Chelsea right now, but I think those dismissing Utd out of hand are delusional. He is an ambitious guy, he believes in himself, he will know the potential for sustainable success is greater at Utd, no matter what the situation right now, they are still in a better situation than we were when he came here or are likely to be for many years, so will believe in himself to be able to turn them back into a side capable of competing strongly on every front year after year and the temptation to do that with one of the world's uber blue chip clubs would have to be great.

We have this tendency to look at things from only the "Spurs" angle and see what we want to see. But, but, but he's loved here, we will have a lovely new stadium in 3 years, he has Mitchell…..But ambitious, highly driven people like Pochettino feed off and need challenge, it's their oxygen and to test himself at one of the world's biggest clubs would be something he must think about and would not surprise me at all if he was offered the Utd job, he took it.

exactly

 

[hellava_tough]

The next 10 years in the PL and European football in general will be very interesting, and how it all plays out will influence players' and managers' employment decisions.

If things continue the way they have done, then the PL is on the verge of becoming a true behemoth of the entertainment industry. As we all know, the next TV deal will be for £5.5 billion over 3 years, which I believe is a 70% increase on the last deal. The next 10 years will probably see another 2 or 3 TV deals, which could see revenues of £10 to 20 billion. At that stage, the PL will be the competition in football. I don't think it's any surprise that Pep Guardiola, supposedly the world's best manager right now, has chosen to join the PL just as the competition signs a new TV deal.

At the same time, the other European leagues aren't competing and don't look like competing for the forseeable future. I'm not talking about how well overall clubs do in the CL, but rather how domestic leagues compete for popularity with regards to entertainment and revenue streams.

This includes the Spanish clubs which have a number of problems, not least the proposed break away of Catalonia from Spain. If that happens, where does it leave Barcelona, Real Madrid and La Liga? Will Barca be allowed to compete in Spanish football?

Anyway, I'm sure Poch understands the current state of the football world right now, and that will influence his decision. I propose that he won't need to go anywhere else, because in the next 5 years the PL will be the biggest footballing competition in the world, with the best players and the highest paid managers. At that point, he'll be managing a top club, with a new stadium in the best footballing competition in the world, in one of the greatest cities in the world. Why move?

**NB As an aside, I do wonder if we'll get to the stage where the likes of Bournemouth and Norwich, etc, become bigger clubs than Real Madrid. Okay, perhaps that's an exaggeration, but it'll be interesting to see where the PL revenue streams plateau. If it maintains and grows its global appeal, then will we be looking at TV revenues of £80 to £100 billion 30 years down the line? It get's to a point where history and prior reputation goes out of the window, and current wealth begins to talk. If Bournemouth could pay Cristiano Ronaldo 3 times what he's on at Real Madrid, do you think he'd still be there?**

 

[Stamford]

The only way I can see him leaving is for Barca, Real Madrid or PSG. His dream comment yesterday hints at a return to Spain at some point and as a former PSG player maybe they could tempt him

 

[Bus-Conductor]

This is a ridiculous response to a perfectly reasonable post. It's hardly 'realism' when your reasoning in your original post on why he would leave to United is entirely based on the assumption that you can read the man's mind and that you intimately know his character and personality, Your initial post had so many assumptions on what he would be thinking and how he would react to a job offer from United, none of which are really grounded in reality; they're just guesses so it's hardly realism to base your opinion on those guesses.

So you don't think he'd consider the ManU job if offered it?

 

[tommyt]

When you've finished wetting your knickers, perhaps you could go back and read what I actually wrote. I've never said either will up sticks for the first club that offers them more more money, in fact I started the post you quoted by saying I don't think he'll go to Chelsea, I just said I wouldn't dismiss him going to United out of hand.

It's got nothing to do with fatalism, it's just realism and the industry he is in. It is utterly rife with short-termism, and he knows full well he's only a season (or even half a bad season - see AVB or any one of a thousand others) from finding himself on the dole. Your willingness to ignore the vast body of evidence that suggests when the uber clubs come calling, loyalty will often go out the window is also tedious. He would be an absolute idiot not consider an offer from ManU for all the reasons I have given. He may think he will never get another chance as when his stock is so high, he may have such belief in his own ability that he will believe he can return them to the top of the pile and rewards for doing so - and I'm not just talking money here - will be hard to resist. To think he would just dismiss it out of hand is naive in the extreme.

I really hope he isn't offered the job. I really hope if he is he doesn't take it. I really hope that the next time Real Madrid offer us a world record fee and a 250k a week salary for a star player they say "no, I love spurs so much I'd rather stay here, play thursdays and get paid 75k. Unfortunately I choose to live in the real world, not the narnia you seem to have emigrated to.

I'm going to deconstruct this post one point at a time.

1) I doubt he'll ever find himself on the dole as that would require him to have saving of less than £8,500.

I'll tackle the rest later.

 

[glospur]

So you don't think he'd consider the ManU job if offered it?

My point is that I have to idea what he would think or do. I'm not privy to his thoughts on Spurs, the future or his own ambition so it would be nothing more than speculation to say that he would leave or stay based entirely on an assumption.

 

[Sweech]

So you don't think he'd consider the ManU job if offered it?

Of course he'd consider it.Think he'd opt to turn it down though.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

My point is that I have to idea what he would think or do. I'm not privy to his thoughts on Spurs, the future or his own ambition so it would be nothing more than speculation to say that he would leave or stay based entirely on an assumption.

So why aren't you castigating those hypothesising that he'd stay because of "x,y,z" reason when they similarly have no fucking clue what he'd actually be thinking either ?