The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[THFCSPURS19]

Players included Vorm, Son, A. Pritchard, Carroll, Mason, Wanyama, Amos, Chadli, Winks, Bentaleb, - and I hear Sterling also played.

On the Nottingham Forest website, the main picture on the match report is of Sterling during the match.

http://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/n...on-tottenham-hotspur-in-friendly-3176578.aspx

 

[DezFitz]

Players included Vorm, Son, A. Pritchard, Carroll, Mason, Wanyama, Amos, Chadli, Winks, Bentaleb, - and I hear Sterling also played.

Any idea if Edwards got any minutes?

 

[beats1]

Money, money, money.

Think he's probably just destroyed his football career - don't want players like that in our setup anyway. Good luck to him.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions so fast, its worth noting he has a family connection to spurs

This is a strange transfer all round but fair play to him. Chelsea isn't the place I would recommend to him but we will see how it goes

 

[DezFitz]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions so fast, its worth noting he has a family connection to spurs

THFC Academy on Twitter stated that Kirby is a Chelsea fan. But then someone on COYS said his Dad works for us. Either way, good luck to him. Chelsea just lost there best player from that age group to West Ham due to the worry about first team opportunities. Can't see that changing anytime soon but we will see.

 

[Spurzinho]

re: kirby, very disappointing if true. I could understand him going to Liverpool or Man Utd, they're in desperate need of talent. Southampton or Everton would have been an astute move. As much as it would stick in the throat even West Ham would have been a decent option, their academy system might be in a bit of a mess but he would certainly be near the front of the queue when it came to first team opportunities.

I'm sure he'll be a very wealthy teenager, just a shame he'll probably be an SPL or FL2 journeyman by his mid-twenties.

 

[Blake Griffin]

re: kirby, very disappointing if true. I could understand him going to Liverpool or Man Utd, they're in desperate need of talent. Southampton or Everton would have been an astute move. As much as it would stick in the throat even West Ham would have been a decent option, their academy system might be in a bit of a mess but he would certainly be near the front of the queue when it came to first team opportunities.

I'm sure he'll be a very wealthy teenager, just a shame he'll probably be an SPL or FL2 journeyman by his mid-twenties.

is the path we provide into first team football really that much better? would harry winks for example have been any worse off if he'd come through chelsea's system? he'd at least have a year or two at arnhem under his belt by now i suspect but instead he's still yet to play a single game of 1st team fooball aged 20. the next 2-3 years should tell us more.

 

[Danny1]

@gstobart 2m2 minutes ago
Bit of news for @thfcacademy & @chelseayouth. Talented 16-yr-old Nya Kirby has rejected scholarship offer from Spurs & signed for Chelsea

If this is definitely the case then he has just ruined his career. I would put good money on him never making a premier league appearance now. What are agents/family members thinking when letting their young talent join Chelsea. Such a waste. Oh well, Edwards is better than him anyway so good riddance.

 

[spursfan77]

From a poster on COYS about Kirby:

No surprise. Use to see him and his Dad training in Chelsea gear on the local playing fields. This when his Dad was a part-time masseur at Tottenham. I also saw his Dad talking to agent types in the Clissold in April.

 

[spursfan77]

is the path we provide into first team football really that much better? would harry winks for example have been any worse off if he'd come through chelsea's system? he'd at least have a year or two at arnhem under his belt by now i suspect but instead he's still yet to play a single game of 1st team fooball aged 20. the next 2-3 years should tell us more.

Questions need to be asked of everyone if Winks isn't loaned out this season. It might as well be one of us going to training each day, he's not getting anywhere with us at the moment.

 

[BC11]

THFC Academy on Twitter stated that Kirby is a Chelsea fan. But then someone on COYS said his Dad works for us. Either way, good luck to him. Chelsea just lost there best player from that age group to West Ham due to the worry about first team opportunities. Can't see that changing anytime soon but we will see.

Both are true, he and his family were originally Chelsea fans but grew fond of Spurs after Nya playing for the club since he was 8 (when Chelsea rejected him). His dad is (was?) a part-time masseur at Spurs.

 

[newbie]

Shit happens, his 16 we do well to keep as many young talents as we do, all things considered. I do think he is better by far at spurs than at Chelsea long term.


I thought we would loose more kids to alcohol, drugs and woman than other clubs but we seem to have done alright there.

 

[Spursidol]

One of the bits of Spurs Youth development which seems to have degenerated in the last couple of years is the loan system.

A couple of years ago we got a relationship with Swindon whereby they played a number of our players for one season - and that .kind of relationship is one I'd like to see recreated somewhere, Chelsea have Vitesse Arnhem, but whilst we announced a deal with Rhoda that seems to have gone nowhere.

Until we get that kind of building block in place we are dependent upon getting individual loans with clubs (eg Warburton's Rangers) which will tend to restrict the number of loans we can make - which probably reduces the chances of Poch giving them minutes at Spurs. And as we've seen we have not brought through too many youngsters at Spurs who hadn't played on loan before (Onomah being the exception) and that may become a tougher path with the expectation of Spurs progress to greater heights in the coming season.

That kind of club relationship might give real development prospects to Winks and even the younger hungry Kirby lookalikes in the future

 

[raggy]

The obsession with the loan system in England is pretty strange though. In Germany loans are used very sparingly and staying with the club is seen as the much more valuable route of progression. Klopp spoke about it when he first went to Liverpool, one of the first things he did was try to get as many Liverpool players back from loan as he could.

 

[IGSpur]

Although I had seen this coming for a while now still disappointed by this. Don't think anyone can be annoyed or question him for moving when he has an opportunity to play for the club he supports AND will get significantly more money.

Massive shame we lost him as he was going to be our goal scoring midfielder, which is a rare find and was so looking forward to the YC team next year with him in. I guess this gives Roles the real opportunity now to claim that for himself, not quite as good as Kirby but is a talent himself.

Also this will perhaps allow Thorpe to find himself space at no.10 as a goalscorer and creator if they give him chances. We have plenty of other talents in midfield like Maghoma and Madeuke but they're more in the Onomah/TOB mould. Kirby and Roles are our only goal getters from midfield. Good luck to the lad. If he makes it still looks good for our academy.

All the top sides now have been pinching off each other last couple of years. Getting messy. Quina to West Ham, Dixon-Bonner and Brewster to Liverpool from Chelsea, Longstaff to Liverpool. Sadly we're the ones who will lose out most as we just won't offer the wages, and will likely just replace from abroad or just give a shot to another within

I can understand Kirby leaving for the reasons given, if it was just money it'd be more disappointing. Only other one to be worried about then is Maghoma as I know his family are Chelsea fans, so lets hope they don't go after him.

The closest we may have come to this is when Boadu left us to go to Arsenal and then onto City as one of their best prospects before getting injured, but I never knew if he was poached or released.

 

[IGSpur]

The obsession with the loan system in England is pretty strange though. In Germany loans are used very sparingly and staying with the club is seen as the much more valuable route of progression. Klopp spoke about it when he first went to Liverpool, one of the first things he did was try to get as many Liverpool players back from loan as he could.

It's the belief that a player can't possibly be ready for senior football unless they have wrestled in lower leagues against adults. That and the risk/reward in the PL is so great moneywise, coaches and fans are more afraid to take a risk on playing a young player and would rather buy an average foreign player who has come off a good season, as they are 'more likely' to succeed.

In Germany a club of Stoke's level and tbh even the top clubs appear to readily turn to their academy for support, whereas in the PL they can afford to buy Imbula, Shaqiri etc. Its sad but it loans are essential for young players to get a fair crack

 

[Spursidol]

The obsession with the loan system in England is pretty strange though. In Germany loans are used very sparingly and staying with the club is seen as the much more valuable route of progression. Klopp spoke about it when he first went to Liverpool, one of the first things he did was try to get as many Liverpool players back from loan as he could.

Klopp brought through a few players at Borussia Dortmund, without those youth players having been on loan - and that's pretty normal in Germany, although Lewis Holtby was loaned to Mainz from a mid level German club as part of his development, so loans to develop players are certainly not unknown in Germany.

Loans to develop youngsters were relatively uncommon before the PL era, with many clubs giving debuts to their youngsters - I'm pretty sure that SAF didn't give loans to Giggs and Scholes for example although Beckham was loaned out for example.

So PL managers do seem to like the comfort of playing players they know have more experience before giving them debuts and minutes at a club. I guess until more PL managers learn to overcome their fears and find out that its not that risky to play youngsters who have not had any first team experience playing on loan, and its probably less risky than playing a player on a run of bad form, notthings going to change.

 

[faze_coys]

It's the belief that a player can't possibly be ready for senior football unless they have wrestled in lower leagues against adults. That and the risk/reward in the PL is so great moneywise, coaches and fans are more afraid to take a risk on playing a young player and would rather buy an average foreign player who has come off a good season, as they are 'more likely' to succeed.

In Germany a club of Stoke's level and tbh even the top clubs appear to readily turn to their academy for support, whereas in the PL they can afford to buy Imbula, Shaqiri etc. Its sad but it loans are essential for young players to get a fair crack

But a big problem is that the a players performance in lower leagues in no way reflects if a player will make it as a player in the premier league, its a completely different ball game. An player maybe written off because he couldnt hack the physicality of the lower leagues but throw him in the prem where more football is played they may shine with more focus on technicality and intelligence (although you could argue the premiership is still lacking behind other big leagues in that respect)

 

[wiggo24]

1. Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy Jul 5
   I’m reliably informed Tottenham have made Marcus Edwards a new contract offer, which includes a first-team squad number & game time.
   

Tottenham Academy‏@thfcacademy
Signed. Two-year deal.

 

[Hercules]

1. Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy Jul 5
   I’m reliably informed Tottenham have made Marcus Edwards a new contract offer, which includes a first-team squad number & game time.

Tottenham Academy‏@thfcacademy
Signed. Two-year deal.

Waiting for someone to say they are wrong.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Team vs Nottingham Forest:

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 1m1 minute ago
Starting XI: Vorm; Amos, Carter-Vickers, Walkes, Lesniak; Wanyama, Mason; Georgiou, Carroll, Son; Sterling.

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 2m2 minutes ago
McGee, Ogilvie, Miller, Maghoma, Trippier, Edwards, Harrison and Chadli came on at half-time.

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 24s24 seconds ago
Ball, Pritchard and Bentaleb also featured.

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 44s45 seconds ago
@thfcacademy As did Harry Winks.