The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[beats1]

Barcelona are a bigger club and they have lost some good academy players in the past.

TBF they havent lost their better players recently and they only lost them because the law in spain prevented them giving a minor a contract until they were 18

 

[spurs9]

TBF they havent lost their better players recently and they only lost them because the law in spain prevented them giving a minor a contract until they were 18

16 according to Berrerin.

'When you get to 16 at Barcelona, it's the age that you sign your main contract. I was about to sign that but we knew there were a lot of other options because you always get them from other teams at that time.

'I didn't have the option to come to Arsenal until I was right about to sign with Barcelona. When it came, they were so serious about it, more serious than any other team. They made me feel really wanted.'

 

[IGSpur]

hopefully @IGSpur won't mind me spilling the beans but he'd heard similarly about kirby a while back. arsenal and others have been chasing him hard so it looks like he might've signed elsewhere unfortunately. oakley-boothe was the other with a lot of interest but thankfully we've managed to keep him - imo he's the better of the two but naturally i'd rather we had both ...

That's fine. I had alluded to it a couple of times a few weeks back anyway, was just hoping that it was going to be sorted. As you say at least we have secured TOB and it gives Roles more of the opportunity to do what I hoped Kirby would do as they are similar players

I'm guessing Tottenham, Academy is reporting either the players he has been told who have signed or who are currently training.

Its not yet on OS so still a chance Kirby will sign, even though that might sound like clutching at straws

I'm clutching too, while I heard Arsenal were after him, he hasn't been mentioned in their scholars yet. So for as long as he hasn't been mentioned elsewhere there is still a chance he could end up staying with us. Though its looking very unlikely. Tbh it is probably the reason we had him training with the first team to try and entice him to stay.

 

[beats1]

16 according to Berrerin.

'When you get to 16 at Barcelona, it's the age that you sign your main contract. I was about to sign that but we knew there were a lot of other options because you always get them from other teams at that time.

'I didn't have the option to come to Arsenal until I was right about to sign with Barcelona. When it came, they were so serious about it, more serious than any other team. They made me feel really wanted.'

They could offer standard scholar contracts but the British clubs were offering them big professional contracts a year earlier and Barcelona couldn't compete due to spanish law not allowing pro contracts to people under the age of 18.

They found a way around this with Giovanni's and Bojan's generation with offering big money jobs to the parents of their youth players

However then the problem with barcelona is that their academy has gone in great decline which is why its been the major talking point in the last election and going to be what decides the next president.

 

[spurs9]

They could offer standard scholar contracts but the British clubs were offering them big professional contracts a year earlier and Barcelona couldn't compete due to spanish law not allowing pro contracts to people under the age of 18.

They found a way around this with Giovanni's and Bojan's generation with offering big money jobs to the parents of their youth players

However then the problem with barcelona is that their academy has gone in great decline which is why its been the major talking point in the last election and going to be what decides the next president.

Bellerin is after Bojan's generation and he would have only been able to get a scholarship with Arsenal as he was 16 when he signed for them.

If Barcelona's academy is in decline, doesn't that make it more important for them to hang onto their quality players?

 

[beats1]

Bellerin is after Bojan's generation and he would have only been able to get a scholarship with Arsenal as he was 16 when he signed for them.

If Barcelona's academy is in decline, doesn't that make it more important for them to hang onto their quality players?

Yep but whilst offering the scholarship the clubs tend to sign offer a pre agreed pro contract. It happens with a lot of players and happened with CCV

Not really as the previous president didnt care much for the academy as it didnt bring in the money. There was no opportunities at all and nobody cared that there wasnt. There was a shift at la masia from bringing through youth to just being la masia the academy in which a great crop of players came through. Its why they have rebooted now and trying hard again and resigned some old players before letting some of them go.

I have always said on here our academy will go through a lull but it shouldn't be this early especially since the players that have benefited from the changes to the academy ten years ago havent come through yet.

 

[Hercules]

Yep but whilst offering the scholarship the clubs tend to sign offer a pre agreed pro contract. It happens with a lot of players and happened with CCV

Not really as the previous president didnt care much for the academy as it didnt bring in the money. There was no opportunities at all and nobody cared that there wasnt. There was a shift at la masia from bringing through youth to just being la masia the academy in which a great crop of players came through. Its why they have rebooted now and trying hard again and resigned some old players before letting some of them go.

I have always said on here our academy will go through a lull but it shouldn't be this early especially since the players that have benefited from the changes to the academy ten years ago havent come through yet.

It is a fine balancing act as the world is changing rapidly. We (not saying we are not) need to get with the program.

 

[spurs9]

Yep but whilst offering the scholarship the clubs tend to sign offer a pre agreed pro contract. It happens with a lot of players and happened with CCV

Not really as the previous president didnt care much for the academy as it didnt bring in the money. There was no opportunities at all and nobody cared that there wasnt. There was a shift at la masia from bringing through youth to just being la masia the academy in which a great crop of players came through. Its why they have rebooted now and trying hard again and resigned some old players before letting some of them go.

I have always said on here our academy will go through a lull but it shouldn't be this early especially since the players that have benefited from the changes to the academy ten years ago havent come through yet.

Can't Barcelona also offer pre agreed contracts?

I disagree about the no opportunities part, Munir, Sandro Ramirez, Rafinha and Deulofeu are all a similar age and all have got decent game time for the first team.

Loosing 1 player isn't exactly a lull and the best have yet to come of age yet, so I think we need to wait before making such statements.

With the transfer fees for senior players going the way that they are, I would imagine poaching at the this level will get worse and worse, and we will see more and more players leave and unless we are prepared to pay ridiculous wages like Chelsea and Man City, there isn't much we can do about it.

 

[Saoirse]

I honestly believe us and other major academies will end up having to pay almost City-Chelsea-esque ridiculous wages for young talent to stop them being poached. The spare revenue is there and once clubs lose one or two because they're paying £400 a week while City pay £40,000 they'll see a choice between making that level of investment and becoming at best a second-rate academy developing whatever the big boys don't want.

 

[beats1]

Can't Barcelona also offer pre agreed contracts?

I disagree about the no opportunities part, Munir, Sandro Ramirez, Rafinha and Deulofeu are all a similar age and all have got decent game time for the first team.

Loosing 1 player isn't exactly a lull and the best have yet to come of age yet, so I think we need to wait before making such statements.

With the transfer fees for senior players going the way that they are, I would imagine poaching at the this level will get worse and worse, and we will see more and more players leave and unless we are prepared to pay ridiculous wages like Chelsea and Man City, there isn't much we can do about it.

A lot of them were pity minutes but they were very limited chances, Deulofeu barely got a look in considering how highly rated he was by the staff, pep wanted him to be first back up which never actually happened as he left by then.

The issue that was raised in prior to the last election and Cruyff was very angry, was that with the original generation, they looked at the academy and then catered around them. They had the luxury of been given a chance before found wanting after impressing for Barcelona B now the club doesnt care.

There was major criticism towards the club after they signed Turan and etc despite having several players you listed ready but that was brushed under the carpet as the clubs as doing well. Also Munir and Sandro were lucky that the transfer ban happened as that allowed to get more minutes.

Since 2015 there is a change to get more players in the academy as that was a major issue with the fans and part of the reason why Laporta thought he may get back in as he "Claimed" to put La Masia first. but Josep did say he was going to make changes and the Vidal signing helped him

As for losing one players, it hasnt just been one player but the other thing is there have been other mistakes as well and far too much change

 

[L-man]

Does anyone here know when the U21 PL fixtures are announced and if Spurs are going to continue to play the majority at Stevenage?

 

[Spursidol]

Does anyone here know when the U21 PL fixtures are announced and if Spurs are going to continue to play the majority at Stevenage?

Almost certainly u21 league will have been rebranded as PL2 (its now on Premier League website), and that may mean rule changers making it into an u23 league - but that's rumour at the moment rather than having been confirmed officially.

Leave it for a few days whilst PL fixtures are announced and digested, and hopefully we will get info on both the league's format, fixtures and venue(s).

 

[Spursidol]

The player profiles for Academy Years 1 and 2 have been updated over the last frew days, the development squad profiles were done earlier.

So just waiting now for last season's academy Year 2 to be merged into the Professionals, academy Year 1 to be moved to Academy Year 2, leavers deleted......and the new Academy Year 1 player profiles to be uploaded......may need to wait a little while longer if one player's scholarship contract remains unresolved.

 

[Blake Griffin]

we've rejected our efl invitation.

 

[L-man]

Pretty sure he means EFL Trophy. Wonder what our reasoning is? Perhaps our squad is too small to cope with both U21 League and Cup

Darren Lewis‏@MirrorDarren 20m20 minutes ago
Spurs become the latest club to decline an invite from the Football League to take part in the revamped EPL trophy. More @MirrorFootball.

 

[raggy]

We also have the youth version of the Champions League to compete in this season as well right?

Guess the extra competition we have made it easy to decline this.

 

[Saoirse]

If us and reportedly United are out already they've really made a mess of this and you have to wonder how they didn't realise what would happen before confirming the format...

 

[Blake Griffin]

Pretty sure he means EFL Trophy. Wonder what our reasoning is? Perhaps our squad is too small to cope with both U21 League and Cup

Darren Lewis‏@MirrorDarren 20m20 minutes ago
Spurs become the latest club to decline an invite from the Football League to take part in the revamped EPL trophy. More @MirrorFootball.

apparently the main reason is because the games are scheduled during international breaks which means a lot of our(and other big clubs') best players will be missing it. sounds like chelsea, liverpool and utd have declined their invitations too so it's looking like a bit of a farce currently.

 

[DezFitz]

So has it been confirmed Nya Kirby has gone? Could it be Liverpool or West Ham that have taken him if so?

 

[Blake Griffin]

So has it been confirmed Nya Kirby has gone? Could it be Liverpool or West Ham that have taken him if so?

not yet but it seems likely. no word yet on where he's gone but would imagine all the big clubs and west ham would take him.