Thomas Lemar

[arunspurs]

If we sign Lemar, Periera we will be a serious contender for title this season.

 

[EQP]

It's not really comparable, Lemar is a key player at a CL semi-finalist and a league winner. His CV is much, much better than N'Jie and N'Koudou. No way he'll get the same treatment as them.

Lemar's CV is only impressive because he's been given the one thing GKN hasn't, an opportunity to play and show his worth.

If we look at both Lemar and GKN's respective 15/16 season we can see that the have similar numbers.

Lemar

Total 15/16 SEASON:34 APPS - 5 GOALS -5 ASSISTS- 1YC--2.191' TOTAL MINUTES
https://www.transfermarkt.com/thomas-lemar/leistungsdaten/spieler/205562/plus/0?saison=2015

GKN

Total 15/16 SEASON:41 APPS- 10 GOALS- 5 ASSISTS- 1YC--3.007' TOTAL MINUTES
https://www.transfermarkt.com/georges-kevin-nkoudou/leistungsdaten/spieler/215679/plus/0?saison=2015

Whose place does Lemar take if we do sign him? Would he be content being a sub? Can we afford to have 40+ mill sub?

We have GKN and he's shown some glimpses of talent and directness. He just needs Poch to give him a chance to show why we invested in him in the first place.

 

[dagraham]

Whose place does Lemar take if we do sign him? Would he be content being a sub? Can we afford to have 40+ mill sub?

We have GKN and he's shown some glimpses of talent and directness. He just needs Poch to give him a chance to show why we invested in him in the first place.

Whatever the relevant merits of Lemar or GKN are we really need to get out of this mindset as fans and as a club imo.

One of the reasons Chelsea won the league was just that. They had £40m players on the subs bench in Fabregas, Willian etc.

That's what happens when you make the leap from a club hoping to crack top four to a club with aspirations of challenging for the title.

Besides, we had a £30m sub last season and if he was worth it he would have featured far more regularly.

 

[not_tenth-again]

Lemar's CV is only impressive because he's been given the one thing GKN hasn't, an opportunity to play and show his worth.

If we look at both Lemar and GKN's respective 15/16 season we can see that the have similar numbers.

Lemar

Total 15/16 SEASON:34 APPS - 5 GOALS -5 ASSISTS- 1YC--2.191' TOTAL MINUTES
https://www.transfermarkt.com/thomas-lemar/leistungsdaten/spieler/205562/plus/0?saison=2015

GKN

Total 15/16 SEASON:41 APPS- 10 GOALS- 5 ASSISTS- 1YC--3.007' TOTAL MINUTES
https://www.transfermarkt.com/georges-kevin-nkoudou/leistungsdaten/spieler/215679/plus/0?saison=2015

Whose place does Lemar take if we do sign him? Would he be content being a sub? Can we afford to have 40+ mill sub?

We have GKN and he's shown some glimpses of talent and directness. He just needs Poch to give him a chance to show why we invested in him in the first place.

Could GKN maybe be a make weight in the deal....? I suppose it's possible.

You make a good point though, if GKN has the same ability then we should be saving the money and providing the opportunities.... but that's not much fun as a shiny new signing!

 

[yankspurs]

Could GKN maybe be a make weight in the deal....? I suppose it's possible.

You make a good point though, if GKN has the same ability then we should be saving the money and providing the opportunities.... but that's not much fun as a shiny new signing!

GKN should go for his own good. Poch doesnt use players of his ilk. There is reason to doubt that he'll actually use Lemar too. He acts like he wants these players but he doesnt really give them any actual opportunities.

 

[Shadydan]

GKN should go for his own good. Poch doesnt use players of his ilk. There is reason to doubt that he'll actually use Lemar too. He acts like he wants these players but he doesnt really give them any actual opportunities.

Because we play at such a high level now these players need to be good enough and step it up, Son got the message so no reason why the others can't if they get their head down.

 

[King of Otters]

If we sign Lemar, Periera we will be a serious contender for title this season.

At WHL maybe.

 

[EQP]

Whatever the relevant merits of Lemar or GKN are we really need to get out of this mindset as fans and as a club imo.

One of the reasons Chelsea won the league was just that. They had £40m players on the subs bench in Fabregas, Willian etc.

That's what happens when you make the leap from a club hoping to crack top four to a club with aspirations of challenging for the title.

Besides, we had a £30m sub last season and if he was worth it he would have featured far more regularly.

Other teams also had high priced subs on the bench, yet we still finished second. So maybe we're doing okay? Just cause Chelsea can afford to have overpriced and over paid players on the bench doesn't mean we should follow the same model.

We've seen what happens when we over pay for players (Sissoko) who clearly don't fit out team ethos. We would have been better off using GKN, Edwards or even KWP in an advanced role than forking out 30 mill for Sissoko.

I'm not against buying quality when it can come in challenge our players and improve our team. Lemar for 40mill is not that deal, not when we have GKN who is similar in play style and has barely played for us.

 

[dagraham]

Other teams also had high priced subs on the bench, yet we still finished second. So maybe we're doing okay? Just cause Chelsea can afford to have overpriced and over paid players on the bench doesn't mean we should follow the same model.

We've seen what happens when we over pay for players (Sissoko) who clearly don't fit out team ethos. We would have been better off using GKN, Edwards or even KWP in an advanced role than forking out 30 mill for Sissoko.

I'm not against buying quality when it can come in challenge our players and improve our team. Lemar for 40mill is not that deal, not when we have GKN who is similar in play style and has barely played for us.

Lemar completely ran the show against us at Wembley. You honestly think GKN would be able to do that?

 

[EQP]

Lemar completely ran the show against us at Wembley. You honestly think GKN would be able to do that?

Sissoko on numerous ocassions has tormented us whenever we played Newcastle.....do you think it's a solid strategy of buying players based on how they perform against us?

 

[mill]

Lemar completely ran the show against us at Wembley. You honestly think GKN would be able to do that?

If gkn played the quality of passes and crosses that lemar does he would've featured more this season no doubt

 

[Guntz]

Can't believe people are comparing GKN and Lemar, Lemar has been an integral part of a Monaco team that has won the French league and reached the semi finals of the champions league while notching up 14 goals and 14 assists in the process.

Lemar is clearly the superior player and one that will improve us indefinitely. If GKN was seen to be good enough Poch would of given him more starts just like he did with Winks, instead of 5 minute cameos off the bench.

 

[EQP]

Can't believe people are comparing GKN and Lemar, Lemar has been an integral part of a Monaco team that has won the French league and reached the semi finals of the champions league while notching up 14 goals and 14 assists in the process.
Lemar is clearly the superior player...

It was a fair comparison to make. I compared their stats from all fixtures they played during the 15/16 season. And those stats showed similar contributions and even favored GKN in the goal department. Who's to say that is GKN had stayed another season at Marseille he wouldn't have had similar stats to Lemar this season?

You're forgetting the one thing that Lemar has over GKN has been the opportunity to play. If GKN had the same opportunities to play and didn't produce those numbers that Lemar did, I would have no problem crowning Lemar the superior player.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Good chance he will start tonight, not that one should make any sort of judgment based on an international, especially a friendly. But interesting none the less.

 

[Singaspursofsixspence]

Good chance he will start tonight, not that one should make any sort of judgment based on an international, especially a friendly. But interesting none the less.

Maybe Dier, Alli and Kane can have a quick word in his ear about joining...

 

[EQP]

Sissoko on numerous ocassions has tormented us whenever we played Newcastle.....do you think it's a solid strategy of buying players based on how they perform against us?

 

[samsonlevi]

Sissoko on numerous ocassions has tormented us whenever we played Newcastle.....do you think it's a solid strategy of buying players based on how they perform against us?

I get your point. It would not be the sole factor.... and it's not, sissoko has not had the type of season this lad has just had.

Also, my own eyes can inform me that Lemar is of more worth to us than sissoko.

 

[EQP]

I get your point. It would not be the sole factor.... and it's not, sissoko has not had the type of season this lad has just had.

Also, my own eyes can inform me that Lemar is of more worth to us than sissoko.

Fair enough, I'm not saying Lemar wouldn't be a good player i'm simply questioning

1) How much of an improvement would he be over GKN? Knowing GKN hasn't had anywhere near the opportunities to play.
2) Whose place does he take on the starting 11? Would he be content as a sub?
3) For the touted price, do we really need Lemar?

I would love nothing more than Lemar to join our team and help us win things. But going by how we treat young French wingers at Tottenham, I'm really not seeing the value in this deal.

 

[dagraham]

Fair enough, I'm not saying Lemar wouldn't be a good player i'm simply questioning

1) How much of an improvement would he be over GKN? Knowing GKN hasn't had anywhere near the opportunities to play.
2) Whose place does he take on the starting 11? Would he be content as a sub?
3) For the touted price, do we really need Lemar?

I would love nothing more than Lemar to join our team and help us win things. But going by how we treat young French wingers at Tottenham, I'm really not seeing the value in this deal.

But our first 11 is pretty damn good already, hence why we came 2nd. The superstar players who would instantly improve our first 11 out out of our reach wages wise.

So they only way we can conceivably improve is if to buy other quality players who can provide genuine competition for the first team. Like Lemar.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Lemar (and Sidibe) starting for France v England tonight.