Tottenham Vs Newcastle: Match Thread

[jezz]

We must not forget that we have a very inexperienced manager. He had a blinding year at Porto, a disaster at Chelsea and now he is with us so overall he has less than 5 years top level experience. One thing I have often heard successful managers say is they start their careers believing the system is the most important thing and then try and fit players into that system - a bit like AVB is doing now especially on the left with Siggy/Lennon playing there. As these managers mature, they realise the players are the priority and the system should be built around them. Not sure how long it will take our gaffer to come to this point but sure hope it is soon.

I would like to see us ditch inverted wingers as a starting point even if just for periods in a game. I mean Lennon steaming down the right wing with Townsend down the left would frighten most teams - just imagine how many times they would get to the byline and fire crosses in. We may see a better Soldado then as most of his goals at Valencia were from crosses into the box and sublime first time finishing. Let's face it, he is no Negredo/Drogba type and certainly no Aguero/Suarez type. He comes alive in the 18 yard box and beyond that he doesn't seem interested so we should set up to get the best out of our £26m investment before all the confidence drains out of him and we are left with our own version of Chamakh!

If you believe that would happen against park the bus teams, you know jack about football.
Lennon cant cross to save his life and townsend would try and shoot from the byline.
I thought we had moved on from the rednapp era, so should you

 

[Harry Barber]

Look I know we're all hurt here - nobody expected a performance like that from Krull the conqueror! Time to regroup, consolidate and face the truth that we need AVB now more than ever.

Why exactly do we need him more than ever?
This shit football has to stop. It never was what we are about. I see other teams playing lovely inter passing football, in and around the box, and then I watch the shit that we play.
He can stick fourth up his arse if this is the style of football we need to play to get top four.

 

[jezz]

For what it's worth it's a disgrace that penalties apart, Soldado, Paulinho, Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela have collectively scored 2 goals in the league from open play. £85m of 'talent' currently not weighing in with their worth.

kinda helps if they play dont you think?

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

kinda helps if they play dont you think?

They've played 20 odd games between them. They were supposed to be the spearhead of our new attack. Haven't done much to get us off our feet - Eriksen vs Norwich the exception.

 

[Sweetsman]

Do you disagree with Wright?

Isn't it obvious that do, or was that a rhetorical question?

 

[Sarsipius]

We must not forget that we have a very inexperienced manager. He had a blinding year at Porto, a disaster at Chelsea and now he is with us so overall he has less than 5 years top level experience. !

He also had Falcao (and Hulk). In the Portuguese league. Ripping it up for fun.

So far that's his only success story. Last season wasn't bad but he then he had GB tearing the PL a new one.

Tactically I wasn't convinced. Was LB again the missing link to our excellence? The onus is always on him to get the best out of the players at his disposal.

Inexperience shouldn't be an excuse or we should never have appointed him.

I have to say though I like the squad and where it is and yes that's partly down to him (but as much FB and the transfer committee), we're only 2 quality additions from being AWESOME (a LB and striker imo) but it's already very, very good and he should be getting more out of it.

Must learn, must improve, fast.

 

[mrlilywhite]

We must not forget that we have a very inexperienced manager. He had a blinding year at Porto, a disaster at Chelsea and now he is with us so overall he has less than 5 years top level experience. One thing I have often heard successful managers say is they start their careers believing the system is the most important thing and then try and fit players into that system - a bit like AVB is doing now especially on the left with Siggy/Lennon playing there. As these managers mature, they realise the players are the priority and the system should be built around them. Not sure how long it will take our gaffer to come to this point but sure hope it is soon.

I would like to see us ditch inverted wingers as a starting point even if just for periods in a game. I mean Lennon steaming down the right wing with Townsend down the left would frighten most teams - just imagine how many times they would get to the byline and fire crosses in. We may see a better Soldado then as most of his goals at Valencia were from crosses into the box and sublime first time finishing. Let's face it, he is no Negredo/Drogba type and certainly no Aguero/Suarez type. He comes alive in the 18 yard box and beyond that he doesn't seem interested so we should set up to get the best out of our £26m investment before all the confidence drains out of him and we are left with our own version of Chamakh!

I aint no manager mate but if fans of the game know this and I do too, Then I bloody hope Avb knows this by now. In truth you have to have ideas as a manager how best to play your squad in a system that suits your ideology and the strengths of your players. No two manager plays exactly the same system and they always hold onto the style of their preferance and tweak it...Wenger is a prime example of this and incorporates players to fit his system. This is where Avb has failed......miserably! To make his system work you need very good players in every position and we just don't have them. Have a look at some of his porto team on youtube, Exactly the same system as it is now but there are some major differences.

 

[jezz]

They've played 20 odd games between them. They were supposed to be the spearhead of our new attack. Haven't done much to get us off our feet - Eriksen vs Norwich the exception.

Cardiff game?
Villa?
Lamela had me purring thursday, im sure he would have today aswell.
instead i had to put up with townsend being greedy and inept with the ball.
Once they have played regular in the league, your post is premature mate.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Why exactly do we need him more than ever?
This shit football has to stop. It never was what we are about. I see other teams playing lovely inter passing football, in and around the box, and then I watch the shit that we play.
He can stick fourth up his arse if this is the style of football we need to play to get top four.

What I meant to say was that we need AVB at his best more than ever... my bad... poor choice of words!

 

[Sweetsman]

Signature is class haha

What do you know about class? You appear to not realise that 300 is a shit film.

 

[Sarsipius]

Why are people saying maybe this will be a watershed moment for avb? Wtf was West Ham then?

Surely he's allowed one aberration and a couple of missed wins? But I agree, this is too much now. We just look crap. He has to adapt to the league not vice-versa. He's making himself and us look bad currently.

 

[chris_theo]

What do you know about class? You appear to not realise that 300 is a shit film.

Coming from the guy who's happy to watch complete shite week in week out and happy for it to continue. You keep watching crap and sooner or later you'll believe it doesn't stink. You must be extremely content with being average.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

Cardiff game?
Villa?
Lamela had me purring thursday, im sure he would have today aswell.
instead i had to put up with townsend being greedy and inept with the ball.
Once they have played regular in the league, your post is premature mate.

Those games yes, but in the same way West Ham and Hull. We should be putting teams like that to the sword if the players were playing to their top levels. Unfortunately they are not even out of 2nd gear. I question their motivation to be honest and whether AVB is getting the best from them like he did last year from Bale.

 

[Sweetsman]

Coming from the guy who's happy to watch complete shite week in week out and happy for it to continue. You keep watching crap and sooner or later you'll believe it doesn't stink. You must be extremely content with being average.

I was going to respond to your tripe, but perhaps you'd like to read what a Toon fan wrote on match site in The Guardian.
gill09
10 Nov 2013
We were worthy leaders at half time did the usual disappearing act for a portion of the game. Spurs looked a very good side who had very clearly responded to their manager, on another day they would have comfortably turned the game around unfortunately for them Krul had the game of his life its so often been us on the end of an unbeatable keeper.

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[jezz]

Those games yes, but in the same way West Ham and Hull. We should be putting teams like that to the sword if the players were playing to their top levels. Unfortunately they are not even out of 2nd gear. I question their motivation to be honest and whether AVB is getting the best from them like he did last year from Bale.

Dont think i have seen lamela and erickson play 90 together, which is just criminal.
Keeping them on the bench after good displays be so demotivating.
When the start playing together, i think we will click a start scoring and creating.
So yes i kinda agree with what your saying

 

[chris_theo]

I was going to respond to your tripe, but perhaps you'd like to read what a Toon fan wrote on match site in The Guardian.
gill09
10 Nov 2013
We were worthy leaders at half time did the usual disappearing act for a portion of the game. Spurs looked a very good side who had very clearly responded to their manager, on another day they would have comfortably turned the game around unfortunately for them Krul had the game of his life its so often been us on the end of an unbeatable keeper.

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He obviously hasn't been watching us this season. Can I ask if you honestly think we've been a good side thus far? Do you also think that on another day we would've won, and if so, what fact do you base this on. It pains me to watch us this season. We have so much attacking talent, so much speed and intelligence in this team and it's being wasted by negative tactics. If he showed signs of recognising mistakes and tried to put things right it wouldn't be so bad, however, I genuinely believe he still thinks the way we are going about our business is correct. How many more matches like this on our pitch will it take!

 

[mil1lion]

No, I massively disagree with this train of thought. Its bloody well not people coming out in hindsight saying this and that, where have you been all week? Not only did loads of people express their disappointment that Lamela wasn't selected today, they predicted it would happen to. Ok, it may not have changed the course of this game, but we'll never know and the kid just had a fantastic game on Thursday evening - the confidence would of been flowing, and we so desperately need a creative spark who can break between the lines and pull opposition defences about. He did that on Thursday night and its something we've sorely missed.

I just think that's far too cautious in not starting him today. He's played for Roma and an International for Argentina FFS. When you make decisions as such and the majority of fans can see it would of been the right call to make and you end up with a negative result its inevitable that fans will highlight these things and it doesn't make them wrong for doing so either.

Yes, there's more to it than one player etc....but at least Lamela would of really tried to make something happen, and had the skill set to take on a deep sitting team.

We've seen little evidence that Lamela would have made the difference today. One good performance against Sheriff is not enough. Yes he has played for Roma and Argentina but the Premier League is totally different to any of those games he has played before. I'm not convinced he would have been able to handle the physical side of Newcastle today.

 

[mrlilywhite]

I was going to respond to your tripe, but perhaps you'd like to read what a Toon fan wrote on match site in The Guardian.
gill09
10 Nov 2013
We were worthy leaders at half time did the usual disappearing act for a portion of the game. Spurs looked a very good side who had very clearly responded to their manager, on another day they would have comfortably turned the game around unfortunately for them Krul had the game of his life its so often been us on the end of an unbeatable keeper.

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Is this what should have happened in the first half though? Playing the way we are at present it really does come down to who scores first for us. If we come out with a higher tempo and look to put teams on the back foot from the start, Then we are far more likely to open the scoring and force the opposition out, Which in turn should allow us more space in which to create more. Leaving it to the second half to perform is not good enough regardless of what barcodes fans say.

At home we should be looking to be more aggressive and force the issue, Not looking to give the opposition time to organise an impenetrable 2 x 4 man wall. Until Avb get's over the fact that his system does not suit us, Even at the very least at home then we will constantly perform like this.

 

[JamieDaCosta]

For what it's worth it's a disgrace that penalties apart, Soldado, Paulinho, Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela have collectively scored 2 goals in the league from open play. £85m of 'talent' currently not weighing in with their worth.

I agree about Soldado, the rest are a different story

 

[JamieDaCosta]

U know ur screwed when u expect Defoe to come in the dying moments n score for u

You know absolutely fuck all about football don't you.....