Transfer Forums - suggestions and feedback

[Rob]

You're likely correct, but would that be a problem if it lowers A&C's blood pressure?

It's no different to just saying "fuck it, post what you want in the discussion thread" and yeah, that's easier for us but it's not a solution is it?

 

[yanno]

It's no different to just saying "fuck it, post what you want in the discussion thread" and yeah, that's easier for us but it's not a solution is it?

OK - so the key question is whether SC wants those types of posts that are leading to members being banned from Transfer Rumours to be made anywhere in the Transfer Rumours section?

 

[Rob]

OK - so the key question is whether SC wants those types of posts that are leading to members being banned from Transfer Rumours to be made anywhere in the Transfer Rumours section?

Discussions about players can happen in the player threads? That covers 99% of why people are banned from the ITK thread that isn't twitter/images (which no, we don't want anywhere).

 

[Geyzer Soze]

No, I think you're giving people not enough credit.

You're assuming they don't know the rules, or don't understand them, or are deliberately ignoring them.

My guess is that most people are simply involved in a conversation. They are talking about a subject they care about. Occasionally it strays. That's all.

I literally do not comment in the ITK thread, ever, to be on the safe side.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Is there any reason why you can't block someone from posting in the ITK thread but allow them to still view it? Is it because you'd have to apply it every day?

No technical reason. It's done in other threads

 

[MilkyBarYid]

I literally do not post in the ITK thread, ever, to be on the safe side.

I'm the same, I'm a little paranoid of posting in the ITK thread in fear of posting something that can be misconstrued as being "off-topic". Perhaps that is part of the problem though, what is the aim of the ITK discussion thread?... Yes, I know to discuss the ITK posted, but what exactly can you say or expand on without the thread going off track?

For example...
JJetSet says "Deal close for Sanchez"
Poster A: "Brilliant, would love Sanchez"
Poster B: "Hopefully nothing goes wrong and Man U come in at the last minute"
Poster C: "But we don't need Sanchez if Toby is extending his contract"
... See already the thread has already gone off topic and Poster C is in danger of being banned?

Perhaps... I don't understand the rules either.

 

[yanno]

Discussions about players can happen in the player threads? That covers 99% of why people are banned from the ITK thread that isn't twitter/images (which no, we don't want anywhere).

@Rob Respectfully, you also said in an earlier post:

Of course discussing our general transfer policy isn't allowed in there. Nor fomations/tactics. Noe who you think we should sign. Nor the other million things that aren't discussing the ITK.

These are the kind of discussions that I agree have no place in the daily ITK thread but could take place in a General Spurs Transfer thread in this part of the site, as well as in the player thread if it's about a specific player.

 

[Rob]

@Rob Respectfully, you also said in an earlier post:

Of course discussing our general transfer policy isn't allowed in there. Nor fomations/tactics. Noe who you think we should sign. Nor the other million things that aren't discussing the ITK.

These are the kind of discussions that I agree have no place in the daily ITK thread but could take place in a General Spurs Transfer thread in this part of the site, as well as in the player thread if it's about a specific player.

Nearly all of those are about players though.

Oh we're signing Llorente, where will he player, what tactics will we use? <- Player thread

We should sign Mahrez, he's exactly what we need on the wing <- Player thread

There's not much that doesn't belong in the player threads. Yes, there's no Messi player thread so speculating where Messi belongs in our team probably doesn't have anywhere to go but I'm not sure we're missing that to be honest.

 

[npearl4spurs]

I apologize if this has already been said, but is it just Hercules with the blue border? I noticed Breezer, who frequently has ITK and doesn't want his to go into the RO, doesn't have his posts with the same border in the transfer forums. Are Trix, Grey Fox, and JJ going to have the same borders?

 

[yanno]

Nearly all of those are about players though.

Oh we're signing Llorente, where will he player, what tactics will we use? <- Player thread

We should sign Mahrez, he's exactly what we need on the wing <- Player thread

There's not much that doesn't belong in the player threads. Yes, there's no Messi player thread so speculating where Messi belongs in our team probably doesn't have anywhere to go but I'm not sure we're missing that to be honest.

OK - so maybe that could be made explicit in the sticky or opening post of every new daily ITK thread.

If you want to talk about the various implications / consequences of Spurs signing player x just mentioned by the ITK, you should do so in the dedicated player thread.

Or some such.

 

[Rob]

I apologize if this has already been said, but is it just Hercules with the blue border? I noticed Breezer, who frequently has ITK and doesn't want his to go into the RO, doesn't have his posts with the same border in the transfer forums. Are Trix, Grey Fox, and JJ going to have the same borders?

It is while I was testing it. We'll add all of our ITKs for January but it'll be in a fresh forum, etc so needs setting up again.

 

[npearl4spurs]

It is while I was testing it. We'll add all of our ITKs for January but it'll be in a fresh forum, etc so needs setting up again.

Thanks Rob. Very well done on the site.

 

[Tucker]

I can tell you now all that a second thread will achieve (especially a more relaxed one) is that EVERYTHING is posted in there instead.

What is the problem with that exactly?

Actual ITK is posted in an ITK thread not too dissimilar to the RO, then all discussion about the various ramifications and transfers go in a general thread.

 

[jimbo]

Why not just get rid of the ITK Discussion Thread entirely? Given that ITK should either be in the RO or The Goat and that all ITK is generally about a specific player all discussion can take place in the player threads.

All that transfer wishlist/policy/fantasy formations bollocks can go in Spurs Chat where it belongs.

 

[Rob]

What is the problem with that exactly?

Actual ITK is posted in an ITK thread not too dissimilar to the RO, then all discussion about the various ramifications and transfers go in a general thread.

So a single place where the ITK is posted but then a separate thread where all the discussion takes place?

You know what, that sounds exactly like the RO forum + the discussion thread if we allowed everything to be posted in it.

All of these suggestions are basically allow any old crap to be discussed in the ITK thread as people are too lazy to use the player threads.

 

[yanno]

For my many sins, I've had to run major political twitter accounts, writing the carefully crafted words coming from our elected representatives.

Cards on table, I loathe much of twitter and the fake news & ADHD-addled idiocy it both generates and attracts. But...

Ultimately, twitter is just a medium, like newspapers or telly. The reality of the modern world is that if I, as a journalist or the President of the USA, have information I want to get out quickly and widely, I will tweet the content. The tweet should link to something more substantial than 140 characters, such as a newspaper article or press release. But immediacy and urgency in today's world is originally generated by the tweet.

Are all tweets of equal value? No, of course not.

But we should all bring the same critical insight and analysis to a tweet that we do to any chunk of information, be it a newspaper article by a football correspondent, a radio interview with an ex-player, or a claim of an insider scoop from Harry Hotspur.

Is the source credible and where is their information likely to have come from? What is their track record? Is an agent trying to get a new contract for their client? Is the tweeter a WUM trying to generate traffic who steals from everywhere and makes stuff up?

These are the types of questions we routinely ask about every other piece of information we encournter. Even ITK from the Mighty Goat (which I generally find more credible than even some SC staff members, but still treat with the proverbial pinch of salt).

I entirely understand and respect the views of many SC mods that twitter is an abomination marked 666. But, like Donald J Trump, unfortunately it ain't going away any time soon.

So, with some hesitation, and accepting A&C's "I told you so" reaction, I would still hope that SC can develop a policy of allowing more tweets with the following crucial condition.

We all need to think critically and insightfully about information, The process of analysing and sifiting through claims, discarding claim x and granting claim y some legitimacy after careful consideration and interrogation, is how we navigate the world anyway.

Personally, I think that process improves our understanding of what's going on. So deconstructing a WUM tweet may be frustrating but it also improves our overall knowledge. If we are paying attention....

Many thanks for all the hard work during the window and ever.

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To go back to the Twitter - should it be allowed or not? - discussion, the following article clearly demonstrates Twatter being used as a medium to gets newsworthy information into the public domain from an authentic source, namely Barkley's verified Twatter account.

As I wrote above, ultimately Twitter is just a medium and the quality of the information then needs to be critically assessed. But it would be puerile if a post quoting Barkley's Twatter comment as below led to a ban, because the info clearly adds to our understanding of the situation.

Even if the tweet was almost certainly written by his agent, and any discussion should discuss the implications of that....

However, I've also linked to a newspaper article, which provides addiational info to complement the tweet.

“Contrary to a number of reports in the press, I did not undertake a medical with any club at any point,” Barkley wrote on Twitter. “I simply decided that due to my injury, it would be best to make a decision on my future and assess all my options in January when fully fit.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/02/ross-barkley-medical-chelsea-everton

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Could just have the RO and the player threads, but no itk thread...

 

[Tucker]

So a single place where the ITK is posted but then a separate thread where all the discussion takes place?

You know what, that sounds exactly like the RO forum + the discussion thread if we allowed everything to be posted in it.

All of these suggestions are basically allow any old crap to be discussed in the ITK thread as people are too lazy to use the player threads.

Sorry mate, I think you've missed the point of my question there. What's the problem with there being a general transfer chat thread?

Aside from "use the player threads"

There's clearly some overlap already going on, whereby your users want to have a thread they can discuss tranfers in without the constraints of a single player thread.

Why is it such a big deal to you that this doesn't happen?

 

[Rob]

Do you really think people would be capable of keeping the ITK to the ITK thread and the non-ITK discussion to the other thread?

I can tell you now all that a second thread will achieve (especially a more relaxed one) is that EVERYTHING is posted in there instead.

This^

 

[Tucker]

This^

Mate, if you look at my original question it quotes the above asking what's wrong with people doing that.

If the all the ITK is posted in a separate thread, then what's wrong with there being a more open discussion in another thread?

What are you trying to control here? If it's spam, the current system doesn't control that, if it's keeping all the ITK in the RO, then the current system doesn't do that either.