What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 21/22

[dontcallme]

If it's blatant (and personally I think this one was actually pretty obvious) then sure, but otherwise I'd rather live in a world where people were given the benefit of the doubt.

I fully agree that people who go round deliberately saying offensive things should expect blowback, but I don't think a world where everybody has to constantly monitor everything single they say for fear that somebody, somewhere might be offended by is a road to a happy and healthy society. As with most things in life, it's all about finding a balance.

Probably not the thread for it but I generally agree. The reason I don't like social media like Twitter is that there's lots of interpreting statements but then whoever made the statement doesn't back it up.

On here I can have a conversation with someone and after a few posts can usually get what they mean if an original post was interpreted negatively.

In this case a poster on a different site made out our chairman wouldn't deal with another chairman because the other chairman is an Arab.

So it's clear this is a very ignorant comment as we have dealt with this chairman previously.

It also comes across as by far the most likely reason why the poster thinks our chairman wouldn't deal with an Arab due to his being Jewish. We don't know for sure, but I can't think of any other reason why someone would think our chairman wouldn't deal with an Arab.

 

[Dov67]

I just dont see how it is at all. If a person on here said that aurier may not have passed the ball to kane because he wasn't French, would that be anti-french?

It was speculation. Ignorant, misinformed etc etc, but it was speculation. He didn't even comment on whether he thought it was a good or bad thing.

I'm sure that there are black people that don't like doing business with white people, Jews who don't like doing business with Arabs and vice versa. If you were to witness such and then told somebody about it, are you being anti-semitic/racist? Or if a friend told you that he/she had witnessed it and you mentioned it on a forum, would that be anti-semitic/racist?

As I said previously, I am by no means trying to justify or in anyway diminish the hateful prejudice that exists in the world, I'm simply saying that a) this isn't it and b) we need to be more careful when throwing such emotive terms around.

I'm of mixed heritage, as are my children obviously, and we have similar debates all the time. Can white people say the "N" word? Is it just as harmful to black people when black people use it? Is it ok in humour etc etc These are all valid debates. But what we very often seem to have is a situation where for example if you disagree with something that the Israeli government does, you are anti-semitic. Or on the other side, when stormzy set up a scholarship to support black students at university he was called anti-white. When neither is necessarily the case and when you make sweeping statements like that you can inadvertently group people together who may not have any shared ideologies at all.

If a person witnessed such behaviour then saying so would not be racist or antisemitic. But that is not what happened here is it, because he witnessed nothing at all. He merely speculated that Levy as a Jew, and solely because is a Jew, wouldn’t do business with city because they were Arab/Muslim owned.

Implying or suggesting negative or nefarious motives on the part of someone purely and for no reason other than their religion, skin colour, or ethnicity is a textbook definition of racism and this case antisemitsm.

Amazing that people want to actually argue this point.

I am almost 53 years old, and am an observant practicing Jew. I have been on the receiving end of antisemitic prejudice my whole life. Sometimes physical, sometimes a snide remark. I have fought it with words and sometimes I have had to fight it with fists. I know what it is. I don’t need it defined for me by others who think they have the right to tell me what is.

This BM poster is an ignorant buffoon, and he is also guilty of making an antisemtic remark.

 

[Spurs 1961]

I’m enjoying the bitterness of the Man City fans. Can’t wait for Guardiola to leave them though and them go back to the irrelevance they’ve been for 90% of their history.

I so enjoyed the press conference before the weekend. Poof Pep squirming because with all their money they couldn't buy Harry and then got gazumped by United for Ronaldo

 

[BringBack_leGin]

This thread started so positively ?

 

[walworthyid]

If a person witnessed such behaviour then saying so would not be racist or antisemitic. But that is not what happened here is it, because he witnessed nothing at all. He merely speculated that Levy as a Jew, and solely because is a Jew, wouldn’t do business with city because they were Arab/Muslim owned.

Implying or suggesting negative or nefarious motives on the part of someone purely and for no reason other than their religion, skin colour, or ethnicity is a textbook definition of racism and this case antisemitsm.

Amazing that people want to actually argue this point.

I am almost 53 years old, and am an observant practicing Jew. I have been on the receiving end of antisemitic prejudice my whole life. Sometimes physical, sometimes a snide remark. I have fought it with words and sometimes I have had to fight it with fists. I know what it is. I don’t need it defined for me by others who think they have the right to tell me what is.

This BM poster is an ignorant buffoon, and he is also guilty of making an antisemtic remark.

I have the right to say it how I personally see it. I dont need your permission to do so, if you're offended by that it isnt my intention, but such is life.

Nor is it amazing that somebody's opinion differs from yours and they wish to debate it.

From my perspective as a person of mixed heritage who has also experienced prejudice verbally, physically and systemic, my opinion is no more or no less valid.

To me, if we brand speculation on a forum as anti-semitic, we are heading in the wrong direction.

If you said that x black person perhaps didn't do business with x white person because he was white, I wouldn't call you a racist! I'd say that you are accusing that black person of racism and what evidence you had to support such an accusation. If you replied that you had none except a vague notion that black people and white people didn't like each other, I'd say that your accusation was without merit.

I just dont see how you can give that the same label as somebody shouting racist abuse in the street or racially attacking somebody.

I agreed that not challenging these accusations was dangerous in the sense that it could influence the opinions of others and lead to anti-semitic behaviour. But in itself, I just dont agree that it constitutes antisemitism.

 

[goughie1966]

From Arsemania - interesting take on our transfer window from Gooners to what many of our own think of it so far

This is our worst window of all time comparatively speaking. It's scary how far we've fallen behind. Even Sp**s kept Kane and resigned Son. They'd be our two best players by a country mile.

Midfielder Moussa Sissoko has completed his Watford medical. Spurs will receive £5M for his sale. [The Athletic]

We’d ask for 20 mil if we were selling Sissoko and wonder why we can’t shift anybody lol

How are Sp**s getting £5m for Sissoko who’s on over £100k a week? I don’t get it, we have to pay teams ffs.

4 top teams competing for the title in the PL and Arsenal are nowhere near.

top 6 in our reach we are in Sp**s and Leicester levels now sad reality but that what happen when you keep mismanagement too much change in board we need stability. (you wish )

And france nr uno midfield prospect signs for Sp**s. We are so dusted

Sp**s in talks with Emerson Royal. No doubt they will get him on a cheap loan with option to buy or something.

Barca rejected already they offered Aurier in swap deal

Emerson to Tottenham close to being done.

To where Sp**s selling Aurier too?

Arsenal need a new right-back. Aurier is terrible. We have Edu and Arteta making the calls. All falling into place...

He Arsenal fan and so error prone. Makes sense

Sp**s having a great window tbf.

And thats when they didn't even get the Kane money. A well-run club.

They don't have Arteta driving their deals whilst Edu is on holiday.

Didn't look to have plan they just throwing money at everyone but keeping Kane is important

Didn't look to have plan??

-Kept Kane
-Replaced Alderweireld with Romero
-Managed to swap Lamela for a highly rated youngster in Gil
-Signed another highly rated kid in Pape Sarr
-About to replace Aurier with a superior player in Emerson
-Could still sign another forward in the next 24 hours

These were the plans but since it look mess the Torres rejection moriba too. They'll will finish ahead of course. But we did also have plans about the players we targeted shame about xhaka it could've been much more promising window

They're going to finish comfortably ahead of Arsenal

Sp**s is already better than us in recent years. We're still stuck in a mess with the incompetent

Twitter - Tottenham are now trying to convince Emerson Royal who doesn't want to leave Barcelona - Poor guy

Sp*rs buying the RB I wanted all summer for a reasonable price in an obvious and easy-to-do deal?

Look like Emerson to Sp**s for 30m€ happening according to di marzio

The most important thing Sp**s did was get a new director and manager, a rightback is not going to save our season.

Twitter - Emerson Royal has accepeted to join Tottenham as his next destination. Finals details to be defined. 30M€ final fee, adds on included

Wtf are you doing arsenal

You've got to realise that anyone actually good won't want to come here

We're a bigger club than Sp**s and signed Partey last summer

 

[Dov67]

I have the right to say it how I personally see it. I dont need your permission to do so, if you're offended by that it isnt my intention, but such is life.

Nor is it amazing that somebody's opinion differs from yours and they wish to debate it.

From my perspective as a person of mixed heritage who has also experienced prejudice verbally, physically and systemic, my opinion is no more or no less valid.

To me, if we brand speculation on a forum as anti-semitic, we are heading in the wrong direction.

If you said that x black person perhaps didn't do business with x white person because he was white, I wouldn't call you a racist! I'd say that you are accusing that black person of racism and what evidence you had to support such an accusation. If you replied that you had none except a vague notion that black people and white people didn't like each other, I'd say that your accusation was without merit.

I just dont see how you can give that the same label as somebody shouting racist abuse in the street or racially attacking somebody.

I agreed that not challenging these accusations was dangerous in the sense that it could influence the opinions of others and lead to anti-semitic behaviour. But in itself, I just dont agree that it constitutes antisemitism.

Again, assuming negative characteristics and nefarious motives in someone because of their religion or skin colour is racist. Seems pretty uncontroversial to most.

Calling it out as such seems to be be going in the right direction, rather than the wrong one as you posit.

You can express whatever opinion you like, and I can tell you when I disagree with it.

 

[goughie1966]

This thread started so positively ?

I'm doing my best to keep it on topic but it's an uphill battle

 

[tommo84]

I'm doing my best to keep it on topic but it's an uphill battle

Keep doing the lord’s work.

And the likes of @Dov67 @walworthyid et al, ffs take it some place else.

 

[walworthyid]

Again, assuming negative characteristics and nefarious motives in someone because of their religion or skin colour is racist. Seems pretty uncontroversial to most.

Calling it out as such seems to be be going in the right direction, rather than the wrong one as you posit.

You can express whatever opinion you like, and I can tell you when I disagree with it.

Its not. Its accusing the person of racism. He never said it was nefarious, negative or otherwise, he simply speculated as to the possible reason that Levy never sold kane to city. Reread the BM post. Where does he say anything negative?

His speculation may well be completely without merit, but it is speculation nonetheless.

Would you speculate that an American flying a confederate flag was racist? Does that make you racist? I certainly would.

I've told black friends and family that Eltham is a racist area. I've never been abused there, does that make me racist also? If a black person was stabbed by a white person in thamesmead, people would almost certainly assume a racist motive because of the area. Does that make them racist?

I'm sorry, I just dont see it at all.

 

[walworthyid]

Keep doing the lord’s work.

And the likes of @Dov67 @walworthyid et al, ffs take it some place else.

Fair enough mate! Apologies all.

 

[Dov67]

Its not. Its accusing the person of racism. He never said it was nefarious, negative or otherwise, he simply speculated as to the possible reason that Levy never sold kane to city. Reread the BM post. Where does he say anything negative?

His speculation may well be completely without merit, but it is speculation nonetheless.

Would you speculate that an American flying a confederate flag was racist? Does that make you racist? I certainly would.

I've told black friends and family that Eltham is a racist area. I've never been abused there, does that make me racist also? If a black person was stabbed by a white person in thamesmead, people would almost certainly assume a racist motive because of the area. Does that make them racist?

I'm sorry, I just dont see it at all.

No he never said I believe the nefarious Jew Levy wont do business with City because Jews don’t like Arabs/Muslims. He didnt have to label it as “nefarious”, since it is implicit for most people, with you being the exception of course.

And no, you clearly don’t ”see it at all” do you.…….the only thing we do we agree on.

 

[McFlash]

From Arsemania - interesting take on our transfer window from Gooners to what many of our own think of it so far

This is our worst window of all time comparatively speaking. It's scary how far we've fallen behind. Even Sp**s kept Kane and resigned Son. They'd be our two best players by a country mile.

Midfielder Moussa Sissoko has completed his Watford medical. Spurs will receive £5M for his sale. [The Athletic]

We’d ask for 20 mil if we were selling Sissoko and wonder why we can’t shift anybody lol

How are Sp**s getting £5m for Sissoko who’s on over £100k a week? I don’t get it, we have to pay teams ffs.

4 top teams competing for the title in the PL and Arsenal are nowhere near.

top 6 in our reach we are in Sp**s and Leicester levels now sad reality but that what happen when you keep mismanagement too much change in board we need stability. (you wish )

And france nr uno midfield prospect signs for Sp**s. We are so dusted

Sp**s in talks with Emerson Royal. No doubt they will get him on a cheap loan with option to buy or something.

Barca rejected already they offered Aurier in swap deal

Emerson to Tottenham close to being done.

To where Sp**s selling Aurier too?

Arsenal need a new right-back. Aurier is terrible. We have Edu and Arteta making the calls. All falling into place...

He Arsenal fan and so error prone. Makes sense

Sp**s having a great window tbf.

And thats when they didn't even get the Kane money. A well-run club.

They don't have Arteta driving their deals whilst Edu is on holiday.

Didn't look to have plan they just throwing money at everyone but keeping Kane is important

Didn't look to have plan??

-Kept Kane
-Replaced Alderweireld with Romero
-Managed to swap Lamela for a highly rated youngster in Gil
-Signed another highly rated kid in Pape Sarr
-About to replace Aurier with a superior player in Emerson
-Could still sign another forward in the next 24 hours

These were the plans but since it look mess the Torres rejection moriba too. They'll will finish ahead of course. But we did also have plans about the players we targeted shame about xhaka it could've been much more promising window

They're going to finish comfortably ahead of Arsenal

Sp**s is already better than us in recent years. We're still stuck in a mess with the incompetent

Twitter - Tottenham are now trying to convince Emerson Royal who doesn't want to leave Barcelona - Poor guy

Sp*rs buying the RB I wanted all summer for a reasonable price in an obvious and easy-to-do deal?

Look like Emerson to Sp**s for 30m€ happening according to di marzio

The most important thing Sp**s did was get a new director and manager, a rightback is not going to save our season.

Twitter - Emerson Royal has accepeted to join Tottenham as his next destination. Finals details to be defined. 30M€ final fee, adds on included

Wtf are you doing arsenal

You've got to realise that anyone actually good won't want to come here

We're a bigger club than Sp**s and signed Partey last summer

Good find and some interesting stuff there.
Kinda makes me wonder why so many on here seem to think every transfer window for Spurs is a massive failure.
Yeah, not every signing works and we don't always get everyone we go for but since the stadium opened, I've been pretty happy with our business and how we've done it.

 

[Dov67]

Keep doing the lord’s work.

And the likes of @Dov67 @walworthyid et al, ffs take it some place else.

I’ve said all I’m going to say on this topic. Apologies, emotive topic for me

 

[walworthyid]

No he never said I believe the nefarious Jew Levy wont do business with City because Jews don’t like Arabs/Muslims. He didnt have to label it as “nefarious”, since it is implicit for most people, with you being the exception of course.

And no, you clearly don’t ”see it at all” do you.…….the only thing we do we agree on.

I dont think that there is any need for the snarky comments because we disagree.

But for the sake of the thread I will let it go and leave it there.

No offence was intended to anybody who took it that way.

 

[easley91]

From Arsemania - interesting take on our transfer window from Gooners to what many of our own think of it so far

This is our worst window of all time comparatively speaking. It's scary how far we've fallen behind. Even Sp**s kept Kane and resigned Son. They'd be our two best players by a country mile.

Midfielder Moussa Sissoko has completed his Watford medical. Spurs will receive £5M for his sale. [The Athletic]

We’d ask for 20 mil if we were selling Sissoko and wonder why we can’t shift anybody lol

How are Sp**s getting £5m for Sissoko who’s on over £100k a week? I don’t get it, we have to pay teams ffs.

4 top teams competing for the title in the PL and Arsenal are nowhere near.

top 6 in our reach we are in Sp**s and Leicester levels now sad reality but that what happen when you keep mismanagement too much change in board we need stability. (you wish )

And france nr uno midfield prospect signs for Sp**s. We are so dusted

Sp**s in talks with Emerson Royal. No doubt they will get him on a cheap loan with option to buy or something.

Barca rejected already they offered Aurier in swap deal

Emerson to Tottenham close to being done.

To where Sp**s selling Aurier too?

Arsenal need a new right-back. Aurier is terrible. We have Edu and Arteta making the calls. All falling into place...

He Arsenal fan and so error prone. Makes sense

Sp**s having a great window tbf.

And thats when they didn't even get the Kane money. A well-run club.

They don't have Arteta driving their deals whilst Edu is on holiday.

Didn't look to have plan they just throwing money at everyone but keeping Kane is important

Didn't look to have plan??

-Kept Kane
-Replaced Alderweireld with Romero
-Managed to swap Lamela for a highly rated youngster in Gil
-Signed another highly rated kid in Pape Sarr
-About to replace Aurier with a superior player in Emerson
-Could still sign another forward in the next 24 hours

These were the plans but since it look mess the Torres rejection moriba too. They'll will finish ahead of course. But we did also have plans about the players we targeted shame about xhaka it could've been much more promising window

They're going to finish comfortably ahead of Arsenal

Sp**s is already better than us in recent years. We're still stuck in a mess with the incompetent

Twitter - Tottenham are now trying to convince Emerson Royal who doesn't want to leave Barcelona - Poor guy

Sp*rs buying the RB I wanted all summer for a reasonable price in an obvious and easy-to-do deal?

Look like Emerson to Sp**s for 30m€ happening according to di marzio

The most important thing Sp**s did was get a new director and manager, a rightback is not going to save our season.

Twitter - Emerson Royal has accepeted to join Tottenham as his next destination. Finals details to be defined. 30M€ final fee, adds on included

Wtf are you doing arsenal

You've got to realise that anyone actually good won't want to come here

We're a bigger club than Sp**s and signed Partey last summer

I always find it interesting to see how others view our window. I'd imagine every club's fans will scrutinize their own window more. I think we have done better than people think. Good to see most over there actually are realising and accepting the fact we are in a much better place.

 

[Matthew]

sum up united fans in one tweet...

 

[Flynn]

Went to check out CPFC to see what they are talking about today... heres the highlights

1. Paperless tickets
2. Trains
3. Weather
4. Spurs being able to play their South Americans
5. Spurs not being able to play their South Americans.

 

[worcestersauce]

From Arsemania - interesting take on our transfer window from Gooners to what many of our own think of it so far

This is our worst window of all time comparatively speaking. It's scary how far we've fallen behind. Even Sp**s kept Kane and resigned Son. They'd be our two best players by a country mile.

Midfielder Moussa Sissoko has completed his Watford medical. Spurs will receive £5M for his sale. [The Athletic]

We’d ask for 20 mil if we were selling Sissoko and wonder why we can’t shift anybody lol

How are Sp**s getting £5m for Sissoko who’s on over £100k a week? I don’t get it, we have to pay teams ffs.

4 top teams competing for the title in the PL and Arsenal are nowhere near.

top 6 in our reach we are in Sp**s and Leicester levels now sad reality but that what happen when you keep mismanagement too much change in board we need stability. (you wish )

And france nr uno midfield prospect signs for Sp**s. We are so dusted

Sp**s in talks with Emerson Royal. No doubt they will get him on a cheap loan with option to buy or something.

Barca rejected already they offered Aurier in swap deal

Emerson to Tottenham close to being done.

To where Sp**s selling Aurier too?

Arsenal need a new right-back. Aurier is terrible. We have Edu and Arteta making the calls. All falling into place...

He Arsenal fan and so error prone. Makes sense

Sp**s having a great window tbf.

And thats when they didn't even get the Kane money. A well-run club.

They don't have Arteta driving their deals whilst Edu is on holiday.

Didn't look to have plan they just throwing money at everyone but keeping Kane is important

Didn't look to have plan??

-Kept Kane
-Replaced Alderweireld with Romero
-Managed to swap Lamela for a highly rated youngster in Gil
-Signed another highly rated kid in Pape Sarr
-About to replace Aurier with a superior player in Emerson
-Could still sign another forward in the next 24 hours

These were the plans but since it look mess the Torres rejection moriba too. They'll will finish ahead of course. But we did also have plans about the players we targeted shame about xhaka it could've been much more promising window

They're going to finish comfortably ahead of Arsenal

Sp**s is already better than us in recent years. We're still stuck in a mess with the incompetent

Twitter - Tottenham are now trying to convince Emerson Royal who doesn't want to leave Barcelona - Poor guy

Sp*rs buying the RB I wanted all summer for a reasonable price in an obvious and easy-to-do deal?

Look like Emerson to Sp**s for 30m€ happening according to di marzio

The most important thing Sp**s did was get a new director and manager, a rightback is not going to save our season.

Twitter - Emerson Royal has accepeted to join Tottenham as his next destination. Finals details to be defined. 30M€ final fee, adds on included

Wtf are you doing arsenal

You've got to realise that anyone actually good won't want to come here

We're a bigger club than Sp**s and signed Partey last summer

Bloody cheek saying they're our level!

 

[Locotoro]

Anyone know what Rennes are saying?
Can't find any Rennes message boards