Juan Foyth

[dtxspurs]

another one were poch's loan policy cost us a good player. Always felt he needed to go out on loan get a run of games to iron out the errors and he'd be a top defender. Villarreal are getting a steal.

He was going to be a full time starter at RB this season under Poch. This one isn’t Pochs fault.

 

[Mungo63]

He was going to be a full time starter at RB this season under Poch. This one isn’t Pochs fault.

With respect how do you know that?

 

[DiVaio]

With respect how do you know that?

He was playing at RB against City and West Ham season before, we didnt replace Trippier, he played as RB in preseason and last matches for Poch after he came back from injury?

 

[Spursmatty87]

He was going to be a full time starter at RB this season under Poch. This one isn’t Pochs fault.

He was with us two seasons before poch decided to start using at rb. He needed to be loaned out when he first came to the club.

 

[Spurs 1961]

He was playing at RB against City and West Ham season before, we didnt replace Trippier, he played as RB in preseason and last matches for Poch after he came back from injury?

He also started internationals for Argentina at right back

 

[peterballb]

Like all players, Foyth needs regular playing time. That will not happen at Spurs. A loan, so long as he gets to play regularly, will be great for him. I would be hesitant to have an option to buy attached to the loan unless we do not have a right of refusal. He is excellent with the ball. He has a bit of a casual nature that just does not work well in a tough press. Usually beats the first guy on him but the second knicks the ball. There is just not the time and space that he seems to think he has. When you are the last person back or the second last defender, you just cannot make those mistakes. CCV (not saying he is anywhere near as talented - will be a Championship player) has the same issue. Far more pronounced because he is slower and has nowhere near the ball control ability.

My hope is the he gets the playing time he needs to grow in confidence and further improve his skill set (which is excellent). Villareal is a good spot for him to land. Hopefully all works well for him.

 

[TheAmerican]

He was playing at RB against City and West Ham season before, we didnt replace Trippier, he played as RB in preseason and last matches for Poch after he came back from injury?

Either way, I think we're better off not having him as one of our RBs. I'm perfectly happy to have Doherty with Aurier and Tanganga as rotation.

 

[allpaths]

He was going to be a full time starter at RB this season under Poch. This one isn’t Pochs fault.

With all due respect to Poch, and he does deserve a lot of respect. But I never got the feeling that Poch had a strong plan for any of our promising young players. At the end of the day Poch never played Foyth enough for Juan to establish himself to were he could be a trusted first teamer.

And we can easily look back at foyth in a few seasons time, and see an absolute rolls royce of a ball playing, tough tackling centerhalf.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Yes Vinicius does have that option, but the initial outlay is peanuts. If you’re implying that potential (which is highly subjective anyway) is worth more than proven finished product, I have to say I absolutely disagree.

As for young Foyth, he’s 23 soon, and has played 23 league matches between us and Estudiantes. I’d say he’s missed out on a huge amount of football that he’d really needed by this point and that a middling club in a less physical league is probably the best he’s ever going to do.

Well as you say thats your opinion ...... however in football in general, potential in majority of deals with young players potential is a huge criteria in football transfer fees, there is a whole list i could reel through and thats just in the recent yrs but ill give a few recent examples

Joao Felix 123M Euros not the finished article, high value on potential (one back of one decent season at Benfica)
Victor Oshimen 70M one back of one good season
Pepe 72M not finished article, high value on potential ( one back of one season)
Ousmane Demeble over 100M was not the finished article (Goal scoring wise one good season back in 2015/16)
Luka Jovic .. 60M
Youri Tielensman..40M
Antony Martial .. 50M
Vincius Junior 45M

Here is just a very small sample theres are others also in 30-40M brackets of youngster who have not done anything and its about potential.... Of course Foyth isnt that that league of 50M+ euros but defo more than £13,5M when you include potential also playing in 10 ARG international caps since 2018.

Something closer to home on potential
Jadon Sancho 120M value, not the finished article (Dele was valued 100M 2 season ago not the finished article, both similar ages comparison table below) Potential is huge make up of transfer fees.

Jadon Sancho Dele Alli

If you look at the a recent table of the most highest fees in football transfers at least 60% if not a little more of the table is value on potential and not finished article.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/the-100-most-expensive-football-transfers-of-all-time/ikr3oojohla51fh9adq3qkwpu

 

[Mattspurs1982]

that’s the story of foyth’s spurs career - good but “made a mistake” which ends up being remembered and undermining his overall performances

 

[Dazzazzad]

With all due respect to Poch, and he does deserve a lot of respect. But I never got the feeling that Poch had a strong plan for any of our promising young players. At the end of the day Poch never played Foyth enough for Juan to establish himself to were he could be a trusted first teamer.

To be fair he looked like he was going to have a chance to make RB his own last season but got injured in pre-season.

 

[mill]

Well as you say thats your opinion ...... however in football in general, potential in majority of deals with young players potential is a huge criteria in football transfer fees, there is a whole list i could reel through and thats just in the recent yrs but ill give a few recent examples

Joao Felix 123M Euros not the finished article, high value on potential (one back of one decent season at Benfica)
Victor Oshimen 70M one back of one good season
Pepe 72M not finished article, high value on potential ( one back of one season)
Ousmane Demeble over 100M was not the finished article (Goal scoring wise one good season back in 2015/16)
Luka Jovic .. 60M
Youri Tielensman..40M
Antony Martial .. 50M
Vincius Junior 45M

Here is just a very small sample theres are others also in 30-40M brackets of youngster who have not done anything and its about potential.... Of course Foyth isnt that that league of 50M+ euros but defo more than £13,5M when you include potential also playing in 10 ARG international caps since 2018.

Something closer to home on potential
Jadon Sancho 120M value, not the finished article (Dele was valued 100M 2 season ago not the finished article, both similar ages comparison table below) Potential is huge make up of transfer fees.

Jadon Sancho Dele Alli
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If you look at the a recent table of the most highest fees in football transfers at least 60% if not a little more of the table is value on potential and not finished article.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/the-100-most-expensive-football-transfers-of-all-time/ikr3oojohla51fh9adq3qkwpu

All were first team regulars for their clubs except maybe Vinicus jr, foyth can barely get a game for us

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

All were first team regulars for their clubs except maybe Vinicus jr, foyth can barely get a game for us

You missed the point, see the part i highlighted and how potential is deemed value/money regardless

 

[mill]

You missed the point, see the part i highlighted and how potential is deemed value/money regardless

not so much if it’s kicking it’s heels on the bench imo Dele illustrates my point no one’s paying anywhere near £100m now his forms gone downhill

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Well as you say thats your opinion ...... however in football in general, potential in majority of deals with young players potential is a huge criteria in football transfer fees, there is a whole list i could reel through and thats just in the recent yrs but ill give a few recent examples

Joao Felix 123M Euros not the finished article, high value on potential (one back of one decent season at Benfica)
Victor Oshimen 70M one back of one good season
Pepe 72M not finished article, high value on potential ( one back of one season)
Ousmane Demeble over 100M was not the finished article (Goal scoring wise one good season back in 2015/16)
Luka Jovic .. 60M
Youri Tielensman..40M
Antony Martial .. 50M
Vincius Junior 45M

Here is just a very small sample theres are others also in 30-40M brackets of youngster who have not done anything and its about potential.... Of course Foyth isnt that that league of 50M+ euros but defo more than £13,5M when you include potential also playing in 10 ARG international caps since 2018.

Something closer to home on potential
Jadon Sancho 120M value, not the finished article (Dele was valued 100M 2 season ago not the finished article, both similar ages comparison table below) Potential is huge make up of transfer fees.

Jadon Sancho Dele Alli
View attachment 75238 View attachment 75239

If you look at the a recent table of the most highest fees in football transfers at least 60% if not a little more of the table is value on potential and not finished article.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/the-100-most-expensive-football-transfers-of-all-time/ikr3oojohla51fh9adq3qkwpu

The reason all the recent big fees are for players in the first half of their twenties is quite simply that nobody can afford an experienced top player unless he’s running down his contract. That’s because ah experienced top player is more expensive.

Except Neymar, who’s release clause was triggered at over 25 years old to make him the worlds most expensive player, which he still is.

Circling back to the point of this thread, which is the only thing we should really be discussion, Foyth has a dwindling contract and all he’s proven in his career so far at almost 23 is that he has a decent touch, a decent pass, is weak as a kitten and has an above average propensity to screw up. People talk about him as if he’s the next Ledley King. Ledley King was superior in every aspect by the age of 20 to what Foyth is now. Part of that is that he was just more gifted. Part of that is that he was the size of a cruiserweight boxer. And part of it was the fact that he played, he played and he played. You want Foyth fulfill his potential. Grow him another three inches and rewind time so that he doesn’t move to Spurs and sit in the stands for three years.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

not so much if it’s kicking it’s heels on the bench imo Dele illustrates my point no one’s paying anywhere near £100m now his forms gone downhill

you really do miss the point, i said dele was that 2 years ago read .... and alot of that was based on future potential and not a finished article hence my point...

Anyway you dont seem to be able to grasp the point ... so i'll leave it there

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

The reason all the recent big fees are for players in the first half of their twenties is quite simply that nobody can afford an experienced top player unless he’s running down his contract. That’s because ah experienced top player is more expensive.

Except Neymar, who’s release clause was triggered at over 25 years old to make him the worlds most expensive player, which he still is.

Circling back to the point of this thread, which is the only thing we should really be discussion, Foyth has a dwindling contract and all he’s proven in his career so far at almost 23 is that he has a decent touch, a decent pass, is weak as a kitten and has an above average propensity to screw up. People talk about him as if he’s the next Ledley King. Ledley King was superior in every aspect by the age of 20 to what Foyth is now. Part of that is that he was just more gifted. Part of that is that he was the size of a cruiserweight boxer. And part of it was the fact that he played, he played and he played. You want Foyth fulfill his potential. Grow him another three inches and rewind time so that he doesn’t move to Spurs and sit in the stands for three years.

Well you did circle out of it in the first place, so its good your circling back

 

[mill]

you really do miss the point, i said dele was that 2 years ago read .... and alot of that was based on future potential and not a finished article hence my point...

Anyway you dont seem to be able to grasp the point ... so i'll leave it there
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You’re missing the point that dele was scoring 20 goals a season I doubt Foyth’s ever got near playing 20 games in a season that’s why dele’s value was high and why foyth’s isn’t

 

[branchie]

Shame to see him go as I think there's a cultured player in there somewhere. However I can understand why both he and the club want this move. He just needs to play regularly now

 

[Hotspur88]

Valencia Yid suggesting Foyth deal is permanent.

Would hopefully give us funds towards Skriniar deal.