The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

sloth · May 25, 2014

Veuve Clicquot said:
Because Faulks asked the question and I replied to it....blimey.

You said you were concerned about the interpretation of a stat you already know cannot be interpreted that way, why?

sloth · May 25, 2014

millsey said:
This lack of plan B is a myth. You can only change games by having game changers on the bench. Southampton don't have that. If you were man city and had negredo and nasri on the bench, you are going to look a better manager

It's a myth because there's no evidence to suggest it.

faulks · May 25, 2014

millsey said:
This lack of plan B is a myth. You can only change games by having game changers on the bench. Southampton don't have that. If you were man city and had negredo and nasri on the bench, you are going to look a better manager

You do realise we've gone down a goal and come back to winning the game without changing anything players wise?

Mainly due to the fact Tim would never make a bloody substitution, but the point still stands.

marvel · May 25, 2014

New quotes from Ward-Prowse are exciting to say the least:

"It would be a major blow to lose him - all the players love him.

"He has played me out of position on the right, so I've had to adapt. I've had to work on my game going forward - an area I needed to improve.

"Having done that, he has added another string to my bow. I feel I can now play in a number of different positions but he has not only helped me technically, he's helped me physically.

"I'm the fittest I've ever been in terms of the running he makes us do. We do two or three gym sessions a week that involve a lot of running and running with resistance.

"He demands a lot from us, and it is hard work, but it has been proved to work. None of us want to see him go. He is a fantastic manager and he has done really well."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...-prowse-pochettino-exit-would-be-a-major-blow

Jamturk · May 25, 2014

marvel said:
New quotes from Ward-Prowse are exciting to say the least:

"It would be a major blow to lose him - all the players love him.

"He has played me out of position on the right, so I've had to adapt. I've had to work on my game going forward - an area I needed to improve.

"Having done that, he has added another string to my bow. I feel I can now play in a number of different positions but he has not only helped me technically, he's helped me physically.

"I'm the fittest I've ever been in terms of the running he makes us do. We do two or three gym sessions a week that involve a lot of running and running with resistance.

"He demands a lot from us, and it is hard work, but it has been proved to work. None of us want to see him go. He is a fantastic manager and he has done really well."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...-prowse-pochettino-exit-would-be-a-major-blow

Well its good to see that our state of the art training facilities are going to be utilised to their full potential.

marvel · May 25, 2014

Jamturk said:
Well its good to see that our state of the art training facilities are going to be utilised to their full potential.

Are you saying our constant penalty shoot outs on Spurs TV aren't utilising it fully?

TheAmerican · May 25, 2014

marvel said:
New quotes from Ward-Prowse are exciting to say the least:

"It would be a major blow to lose him - all the players love him.

"He has played me out of position on the right, so I've had to adapt. I've had to work on my game going forward - an area I needed to improve.

"Having done that, he has added another string to my bow. I feel I can now play in a number of different positions but he has not only helped me technically, he's helped me physically.

"I'm the fittest I've ever been in terms of the running he makes us do. We do two or three gym sessions a week that involve a lot of running and running with resistance.

"He demands a lot from us, and it is hard work, but it has been proved to work. None of us want to see him go. He is a fantastic manager and he has done really well."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...-prowse-pochettino-exit-would-be-a-major-blow

Speaking of Ward-Prowse, I think he will easily fill in for Lallana if he/when leaves. I actually think he will be the better player in a few years. He is a phenomenal talent.

WiganSpur · May 25, 2014

shelfboy68 said:
I was refering to his lack of plan b and tactical changing that is similar to avb.

What could he change? Most of the time he only had Gaston to bring on. Southampton don't have any natural wingers and no genuine second centre forward now Osvaldo has gone so he can't really change much system wise without jeopardizing the quality of the team.

Veuve Clicquot · May 25, 2014

millsey said:
This lack of plan B is a myth. You can only change games by having game changers on the bench. Southampton don't have that. If you were man city and had negredo and nasri on the bench, you are going to look a better manager

Whilst it is true they don't have negredo and nasri, you could say no team outside of the top 4 has that strength in depth, so I think its fair to ask why saints were the only team out of the 20 teams who didn't win from a losing position.
Their bench may not have been as strong as man citys but they did have Osvaldo and Ramirez for large parts of the season as well as lambert and rodriguez, so they arguably had better or similar options than teams below them.
As faulks said, its not just about making subs but tactical or formation changes can make a big difference.

There are some articles from saints supporters talking about lack of plan b, so its not something I am imagining!

Particularly relevant are these quotes after they lost to cardiff:-

"our opponents know exactly how we are going to play, substitutes are always like for like and we dont seem to have the ability to change games"

"The last four games are in the hands of the manager, but as have always said, in football if you do the same things you get the same results, fine when you are winning, but the best managers know how to win a game by changing it sometimes and surprising opponents."

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...4763/saints-lack-cutting-edge-says-pochettino

And it is mentioned again here after a loss to newcastle:-

"It was a lead newcastle had warranted, but it did ask serious questions of the saint's defence, and of the need for a plan b when things aren't going well"
http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/...b-will-make-for-nervy-end-to-saints-season/#_

And from a saints fansnetwork forum:-

"The lack of a Plan B has also been a big issue. After eighteen months of setting up with exactly the same system, being forced to change it before the Everton game put us 2-0 up before they had even realised what was going on. If he stays, he needs a down gear & an up-gear to either see-out games or to chase them"

I agree that the stats in themselves don't tell the whole story, but its interesting that various saints supporters who watch all of their games have highlighted it as a problem.

Hopefully its something poch is aware of and will be able to address the issues with a superior spurs team.

THFCSPURS19 · May 25, 2014

TheAmerican said:
Speaking of Ward-Prowse, I think he will easily fill in for Lallana if he/when leaves. I actually think he will be the better player in a few years. He is a phenomenal talent.

Or....

We could sign him- he's excellent at set-pieces- am I right???

TheAmerican · May 25, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Or....

We could sign him- he's excellent at set-pieces- am I right???

He has one of the best crosses I have ever seen. I don't want to sound like a dweeb, but he has a Beckham like pass/cross on him.

thinktank · May 25, 2014

TheAmerican said:
Speaking of Ward-Prowse, I think he will easily fill in for Lallana if he/when leaves. I actually think he will be the better player in a few years. He is a phenomenal talent.

Still raw but definitely got loads of potential.

thinktank · May 25, 2014

WiganSpur said:
What could he change? Most of the time he only had Gaston to bring on. Southampton don't have any natural wingers and no genuine second centre forward now Osvaldo has gone so he can't really change much system wise without jeopardizing the quality of the team.

I can guarantee you are going to have post this at least 5 more times today....

THFCSPURS19 · May 25, 2014

TheAmerican said:
He has one of the best crosses I have ever seen. I don't want to sound like a dweeb, but he has a Beckham like pass/cross on him.

Exactly what we need. Unfortunately, the majority of the time when you join Tottenham, you become shit at set pieces (Eriksen has kind of disproved that though...)

thinktank · May 25, 2014

millsey said:
This lack of plan B is a myth. You can only change games by having game changers on the bench. Southampton don't have that. If you were man city and had negredo and nasri on the bench, you are going to look a better manager

They still won't get it. They don't want to get it; they just want to keep saying it...all the time...every day.

shelfboy68 · May 25, 2014

Veuve Clicquot said:
Whilst it is true they don't have negredo and nasri, you could say no team outside of the top 4 has that strength in depth, so I think its fair to ask why saints were the only team out of the 20 teams who didn't win from a losing position.
Their bench may not have been as strong as man citys but they did have Osvaldo and Ramirez for large parts of the season as well as lambert and rodriguez, so they arguably had better or similar options than teams below them.
As faulks said, its not just about making subs but tactical or formation changes can make a big difference.

There are some articles from saints supporters talking about lack of plan b, so its not something I am imagining!

Particularly relevant are these quotes after they lost to cardiff:-

"our opponents know exactly how we are going to play, substitutes are always like for like and we dont seem to have the ability to change games"

"The last four games are in the hands of the manager, but as have always said, in football if you do the same things you get the same results, fine when you are winning, but the best managers know how to win a game by changing it sometimes and surprising opponents."

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...4763/saints-lack-cutting-edge-says-pochettino

And it is mentioned again here after a loss to newcastle:-

"It was a lead newcastle had warranted, but it did ask serious questions of the saint's defence, and of the need for a plan b when things aren't going well"
http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/...b-will-make-for-nervy-end-to-saints-season/#_

And from a saints fansnetwork forum:-

"The lack of a Plan B has also been a big issue. After eighteen months of setting up with exactly the same system, being forced to change it before the Everton game put us 2-0 up before they had even realised what was going on. If he stays, he needs a down gear & an up-gear to either see-out games or to chase them"

I agree that the stats in themselves don't tell the whole story, but its interesting that various saints supporters who watch all of their games have highlighted it as a problem.

Hopefully its something poch is aware of and will be able to address the issues with a superior spurs team.

Trouble is some on here are so focused on getting him that facts like this get in the way of their optimism he still looks like a work in progress and We had that with avb.
Imo We needed an experienced manager to restart us as We could find ourselves having an up and down time in the League with some heavy defeats along the way and I wouldnt want to see that happen to him as The crowd get restless.

THFCSPURS19 · May 25, 2014

jambreck said:
Ha!

I don't mean to dis Saints. It's a good club which, with the help of Swiss billionaires, is getting better.

But the reality is that they aren't as big a club as Tottenham. Not even close. No point in denying the perfectly obvious. I'm quite happy to concede that Spurs aren't as big a club as Man Utd, after all. It would be ridiculous if I didn't. I'm even happy to concede that we're not as big a club as Arsenal.

Another Saints fan has had a breakdown because of this :ROFLMAO:

- but at least the other sensible Saints fans know that what you have said is correct

Here's what he said:

"There are some deluded ****wits about, how exactly have spurs made it so massive ? I agree they are bigger then us with more history but are far from massive, and far from as big as this tit believes. What have they done in the scheme of things ? In fact it wasnt long ago we were on the same level as them. Before our implosion. They have done well out of Levy and his wallet, but have never convinced me they'll ever effectively get anywhere mainly due to the attitude that they are better then they actually are. The only manager they recently gave time to had them finishing their best finish ever in the PL (HR) if they continue the manager merrygoround they'll go backwards.

Almost as bad as West Ham and Liverpool fans..... Almost"

shelfboy68 · May 25, 2014

thinktank said:
They still won't get it. They don't want to get it; they just want to keep saying it...all the time...every day.

What is there to get some want him and some dont why have all those that favour him got ram it down Our throats because We dont agree.
Everyone has a different opinion but The same objective to See us actually achieve something so just let people be.

Tom Pops · May 25, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Here's what he said:

"There are some deluded ****wits about, how exactly have spurs made it so massive ?
"

I don't ever recall anyone on here calling us a "massive club".

spursfan77 · May 25, 2014

TheAmerican said:
Speaking of Ward-Prowse, I think he will easily fill in for Lallana if he/when leaves. I actually think he will be the better player in a few years. He is a phenomenal talent.

Yeah I really wouldn't mind us going in for him at some point. We've got Carroll who is similar though.

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