Spurger King
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He doesn't really provoke vitriol though, due to people who rate him not being irrationally biased and blinkered when discussing him.
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He doesn't really provoke vitriol though, due to people who rate him not being irrationally biased and blinkered when discussing him.
RuskyM
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the amount of posts i've seen on here about benitez just saying "fat spanish waiter" and implying we're better than a man with a champion's league medal or pretending frank de boer waltzed into ajax and won everything without lifting a finger is astounding
perhaps the reason pochettino is getting the most abuse (which he isn't) is because he's by far the least accomplished?
perhaps the reason pochettino is getting the most abuse (which he isn't) is because he's by far the least accomplished?
matthew.absurdum
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Another Saints fan has had a breakdown because of this- but at least the other sensible Saints fans know that what you have said is correct
Here's what he said:
"There are some deluded ****wits about, how exactly have spurs made it so massive ? I agree they are bigger then us with more history but are far from massive, and far from as big as this tit believes. What have they done in the scheme of things ? In fact it wasnt long ago we were on the same level as them. Before our implosion. They have done well out of Levy and his wallet, but have never convinced me they'll ever effectively get anywhere mainly due to the attitude that they are better then they actually are. The only manager they recently gave time to had them finishing their best finish ever in the PL (HR) if they continue the manager merrygoround they'll go backwards.
Almost as bad as West Ham and Liverpool fans..... Almost"
Loving the fact that I'm a "deluded fuckwit" for pointing out that Spurs are a bigger club than Southampton!
Arf!
Sure, the Southampton team has been on the same level as ours (or better) in the not too distant past. Likewise, our team was better than Liverpool's for four years before this past season; and better than Man Utd's team this past season. But that doesn't mean that we're remotely close to being as big a club as either of them in terms of major trophies won, (earned) financial muscle or fan base. It's the same with Southampton and Spurs.
There........that ought to stir up a bit more righteous indignation.
Seriously, though, I do entirely sympathise with Saints fans while this saga is ongoing - regardless of whether Pochettino joins Spurs or not. It's not too dissimilar to what we experienced with Bale and Modric over the past couple of seasons. A sense of powerlessness and a sense of promise cut short. So I can understand why they would resent us.
Chicken and egg.
I could flip that and say that many of the Pochettino naysayers have been outspoken, ignorant and unreasonable in their criticism of him and that that is why the fanboys have resorted to exaggerating his qualities.
RuskyM
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"i don't really think pochettino is good enough-"
"OH BUT YOU LIKE DE BOER HOW IS THAT FAIR"
that's been the crux of every fucking conversation i've had on this site this past week. if you can only defend someone by attacking someone else, you are not defending them
And if you can only argue a case by resorting to hyperbole or straw man, then you don't have much of a case to argue!
Spurger King
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Exactly. I would have liked Benitez, but could completely understand why people wouldn't. I thought De Boer would be a good fit for our squad, but have never once banged the drum for him. Even Pochettino seemed like an interesting possibility a few weeks ago, but of all the people we've been linked with, he's the one that has attracted the most hyperbolic and distorted support.
Any attempt at debating his shortcomings is usually met with "you're ignorant"..."you obviously haven't watched Southampton"..."you haven't researched him like I have"..."you know nothing about football"...."you just want a big name"...before attacking all of the other alternatives. Not once have I seen a cogent argument to justify Southampton's number of points lost from winning positions, and a complete lack of points gained from losing positions.
The irony is that many of the people that are hyping him up so much will be the same people that create a false sense of expectation. None of the people we've been linked with are perfect, but many of the Pochettino fanboys can't seem to acknowledge that when it comes to him, which is particularly irksome when he's the riskiest option out there.
True.
But in large part, I think, because he has also attracted the most outspoken and unreasonable criticism.
beats1
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You do see the major flaw in your argument
You are saying they don't have a game changer like man city
However only west ham this season have done worse than Southampton at gaining points from losing positions and losing points from winning position.
So the rest of the league don't exactly need a Negredo, also man city didnt do that well either
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Keep reading we are going for the 'next big thing, again', which is exactly what a club of our size should be doing in my eyes.
Other than Ramos when have we ever done this?
Sherwood-certainly not and was always appointed for the short term.
AVB-Chelsea appointed the apparent 'next big thing'. Reputation was in tatters when we appointed.
Redknapp-no comment.
Ramos-fair point
Jol-Unknown but certainly not 'next big thing'
Santini-no comment.
Can keep going back further if needed. One thing looking at that list do is depress me. In my book anyone of Poch, FDB or Benitez is potentially a better, more exciting appointment than what has been made in last 15 years.
Time will tell!
Other than Ramos when have we ever done this?
Sherwood-certainly not and was always appointed for the short term.
AVB-Chelsea appointed the apparent 'next big thing'. Reputation was in tatters when we appointed.
Redknapp-no comment.
Ramos-fair point
Jol-Unknown but certainly not 'next big thing'
Santini-no comment.
Can keep going back further if needed. One thing looking at that list do is depress me. In my book anyone of Poch, FDB or Benitez is potentially a better, more exciting appointment than what has been made in last 15 years.
Time will tell!
Spurger King
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I think we're just going to go around in circles on this, as I'm of the view that the outspoken criticism is the result rather than the cause of the hyperbole.
beats1
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At least the football will be good with poch if it does go wrong, which is something I would of loved with AVB
Spurger King
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I think the appeal of that will fade pretty quickly if we're dropping points and drifting down the table.
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JJetset - widely regarded as the most reliable ITK around, has basically said Pochettino will be the new manager.
You forgot that there's also a photograph of Pochettino.
Somewhere.
With his sons.
Proof.
WiganSpur
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Just because I want Poch it most certainly does not mean I do not have any concerns and that i'm unaware of the risks.
-Rotating a large squad and keeping them all happy
-Coping with the demands of European football and keeping an intense pressing game up with Thursday/Sunday games
-Managing egos
-Coping with the pressure to win every game against anyone outside of the top 7
He's inexperienced in these areas but that does not necessarily translate to being incapable however and in my opinion the benefits of seeing actual tactics and a good style of play with a team that looks fit and fired up is the reason I'd like Pochettino to become our new manager.
Also, myself wanting Pochettino does not mean that I believe that FDB or Benitez would be definite failures. In fact, I think the polar opposite, they could very well be successful here- but I'd like us to play like Southampton have been playing only with more exciting players.
-Rotating a large squad and keeping them all happy
-Coping with the demands of European football and keeping an intense pressing game up with Thursday/Sunday games
-Managing egos
-Coping with the pressure to win every game against anyone outside of the top 7
He's inexperienced in these areas but that does not necessarily translate to being incapable however and in my opinion the benefits of seeing actual tactics and a good style of play with a team that looks fit and fired up is the reason I'd like Pochettino to become our new manager.
Also, myself wanting Pochettino does not mean that I believe that FDB or Benitez would be definite failures. In fact, I think the polar opposite, they could very well be successful here- but I'd like us to play like Southampton have been playing only with more exciting players.
beats1
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As long as we are there or thereabouts (6th-ish), I think it will be fine.
If we go 7th or lower then there is something gone wrong. Don't forget Europa League may be our best shot at an Champions League spot next season
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