Tottenham Vs West Brom: Match Thread

ebzrascal · Sep 22, 2014

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Post match interviews last about 3 minutes max. How much in depth tactical information would you expect in that time? And if you know his reasons for everything you probably wouldn't agree anyway, so what would be the point?

Three minutes is quite a long time if you ask the right questions...

Anyway is there not a post match interview with newspapers and radio that lasts much longer or is that pre match?

gilzeantheking · Sep 22, 2014

ebzrascal said:
@ gilzeantheking If you going to SPAM ME write a reason don`t be an idiot !!

I am fed up with your constant repetition and nay saying. Do not presume that all Spurs fans share your delusions.

Barry Mead · Sep 22, 2014

prawnsandwich said:
I think 'Arry fucked us up bringing Crouch in and he should have done better with the players he had.
But the other stuff is spot on.
My main issue is with his tactics and subs. Ramos/AVB and him never seem to be able to change things when it goes wrong.

No doubt Harry's biggest failing in team building was strikers. I don't really blame him for Defoe because of the situation we needed a player who could hit the ground running, JD knew the team and the PL. I don't really blame him for Keano given that JD got injured so soon after signing, although I wasn't happy to see him back, but he could have signed Negredo but opted for Crouch. He passed on the opportunity to buy Rossi because he thought Fabiano was in the bag, only to find it impossible to get Rossi when Fabiano showed his usual trick of only playing up for a move to get a rise. Then not making the decision on Suarez himself and accepting the opinion of others.
All that said and done I think he knew how to build a balanced team, blending pace, skill, character, desire, experience, youth etc but I think Levy didn't share that vision because he valued players with future sell on value higher than players with more immediate value on the pitch

Barry Mead · Sep 22, 2014

Mr Pink said:
Barry you're off your rocker.

We played well at Sunderland. We should of had four or five. Be critical in terms of our failure to finish them off sure, but don't imply we didn't play well overall. That's horse shit mate.

Yesterday we managed one shot on target, the two performances our poles apart, and I mean poles.

Don't talk bollocks Pinky our defence was a joke and our inability to make the most of our possession was also a joke. Sorry but passing the ball about in the midfield keeping possession doesn't do it for me, especially when you have a defence that's as watertight as a sieve. To drop two points against Sunderland simply underlined how bad our defence was and how poor our final passes and finishing. You can take whatever you like out of our possession it means nothing if you can't make use of it or defend it

ebzrascal · Sep 22, 2014

gilzeantheking said:
I am fed up with your constant repetition and nay saying. Do not presume that all Spurs fans share your delusions.

It`s a forum for views I can give my opinion and you can give yours that`s called freedom of speech... Some people agree with me and some people do not that`s fair enough.
But equally not everyone is as satisfied as you are with the progress of the team.

m*****73 · Sep 22, 2014

Barry Mead said:
We have had 20 players arrive in the last three windows and more than that number leave, why? because instead of bringing in a manager that has the technical ability and the pragmatism to find a shape and style that best uses what we have and improve it we have brought in managers that want to fit them into one style and shape regardless. They happily offload decent players to bring in others not necessarily any better, often worse and not really focussing on the weaknesses already there but in the weaknesses that don't fit the style

That is true.

But isn't that the very problem that the Director of Football structure was supposed to correct? Isn't that one of the main reasons why Levy insisted on Arnesen, then Comolli, now Baldini? Seems to be backfiring (again).

Barry Mead said:
The compromise was that we didn't get players he would have preferred and instead he had to make do with freebies in their declining years rather than in or around their peak

Again, true. I know there are a lot of differing opinions as to why Harry "had to make do with freebies" and we'll probably never know the truth. Did Levy not support or trust Harry despite the on-field success? Did Levy offer the players to Harry and Redknapp couldn't/wouldn't make a decision? Who knows. But either way, there was a unique opportunity for this club to kick on back in 2011 and it didn't happen. It seemed all we needed was a top class striker but all we got was a bunch of "Blue & Yellow" rumours...

Barry Mead said:
Lets be fair Poch arrived with no tangible track record, an inexperienced manager who had yo yo'd Espanyol from a low position to a mid table position back to the bottom and had taken over a Soton side doing OK and establishing itself in the PL and getting a decent position in it's second season. Lots of managers have managed to steer new clubs to a decent position, he moved before anyone knew if he could maintain it. Lets be fair Koeman currently is doing better at Soton despite half the first team leaving.

There are more questions about Poch than answers at this stage, it's understandable questions are being asked, if he starts to show improvements then that will quickly placate the concerns, it's really down to him and how he does from now on.

Yes, hopefully Poch will get the job done. And he needs time to do it. At least a season. But at the same time, he was appointed on the back of a pretty thin CV. It's not like he's got a history of winning things as a manager. There is the temptation to give him credit for everything that went well at Southampton - and while he deserves some for sure, we can see that it wasn't all down to him.

Just surprises me that a lot of the posters on this forum who want to give Poch time (which he deserves) are the same people who were delighted when Levy sacked Redknapp and who wanted Sherwood hung from the top of the West Stand.

jezz · Sep 22, 2014

Spurs Lad said:
It annoys me watching Tottenham at the moment as they just are not enjoying their football.

Game one under Poch - the boys looked up for it, closing down the opposition from the attack, not giving time on the ball... But this lasted one game? Is this them missing Dawson's dressing room inspiration???? I don't know but they have lost something!

Erik Lamela - i am sorry but what a pile of crap this boy is. He tries, but he loses it all the time. He's playing like a young kid in a Sunday league team that has energy but no strength, lack of ability... Oh but he'll try.... Oh but he's a waste of space. Please stop crediting the boy on being up for it. If you're not good enough and you lose the ball with useless passes, hogging it, crap runs in the box, etc you should get 4-5/10.

I can't believe people can't see this! Even Milner is more productive. He's someone who actually tries hard, isn't the best, but is productive!

Let 's see how we get on but I think we'll regret not buying Welbeck...

If you're going to criticise a player, then at least have the common decency to check what you've written is correct.
He has 4 assists which is our top assister.
An opposing player has Recieved a yellow in every league game for fouls on Lamela.
He is the most fouled player in the EPL this season.
He puts in a shift every game I've seen.
So yes he tries hard and is productive.

thebetamaxboy · Sep 22, 2014

JerryGarcia said:
Maybe Everton's attacking prowess is the result of them sticking by their manager for more than 5 minutes? I've noticed a few people here are already starting to turn on Pochettino, unsurprisingly it's mostly the same group of boo boys who did the same with previous managers (though I'm quoting your post, I am NOT in any way trying to lump you in with them Syn).

What chance does any manager have of turning us around when he's not even afforded a few dodgy results on the way to implementing his tactics? For all the managers Levy has sacked, at the moments he's pulled the trigger there has always been a large section of fans egging him on to do it. It always gets glossed over but it's true going back to Jol or even Hoddle.

I don't think there's an easy fix for Spurs, there are various problems within the club and within the fan base and it's useless to try assigning blame to one group (Board/Manager/Players/Fans) specifically. It would therefore probably be a good idea to try something new for a change and stick by the new guy, even if we do lose a few more of these types of games, just as a way to try breaking the cycle.

TH1239 said:
The difference with De Boer would've been that he would've already had two deputies who he knew well to carry out his philosophy in our starting XI, who also happen to be our best attacking and defensive players. Poch really needed Schneiderlin and our lack of transfer spending simply isn't doing him any favors.

I feel if we weren't going to back Poch and his sytem with Schneiderlin then De Boer was the better option as his tactics seem more flexible and less reliant on a specific type of player in the middle dictating play.

guy said:
Clutching at straws here, but I'm holding out hope that this is why Fazio and Stambouli where brought in.

Both are said to have been leaders at their previous clubs.

Please play them against Arsenal Poch

Is Pochettino the manager I wanted... tbh ..not really .. personally felt Benitez or De Boer were more suited to our situation ... however we have Poch and we all need to give him time .. Levy made his choice and we will judge him on that. Lets see where this season takes us and what the jan window brings ...

Spurs Lad · Sep 22, 2014

jezz said:
If you're going to criticise a player, then at least have the common decency to check what you've written is correct.
He has 4 assists which is our top assister.
An opposing player has Recieved a yellow in every league game for fouls on Lamela.
He is the most fouled player in the EPL this season.
He puts in a shift every game I've seen.
So yes he tries hard and is productive.

Unfortunately Jez you're wrong mate - 2 assists this season, no goals (not inc. friendlies). This boy is still lightweight even after the season bulking up after injury... Yes he gets up and keeps going, but even Townsend does this, but look at his introduction at Liverpool when he ALSO tried too much - Moreno takes it off him and away he goes - the rest is history.

We need the quick pass and move back in our game - accuracy is so important and Lamela lets us down in the final 3rd - We need to get it to the wings early and get that ball in the box. just not enough of that happening yesterday.

Sorry - He's not productive enough in my opinion. He gets in the way

thebetamaxboy · Sep 22, 2014

eddiebailey said:
Sherwood got the best out of Adebayor by not leaving him totally isolated up front. Adebayor was given more licence to drop wide or deep and others were encouraged to make runs ahead of him

Similarly he got the best out of Eriksen by accepting his lack of positional discipline and giving him freedom, calculating that the loss of shape was worth the creativity he would bring the side.

Poch is attempting to recreate the dynamic he lucked into at Soton with a different group of players, and unsurprisingly it isn't working. Players are not interchangeable, they have very individual strengths and weaknesses that tactics need to be built around. Management is so much more that following a one size fits all tactical blueprint.

it could have worked if it wasn't for those damn pesky players. Bottom line is Poch has not been given the players he wanted. This was my fear and why a man Manager redknapp/Benitez is better suited. I think Poch can brings success if given said players .. round holes square pegs levy ..

JerryGarcia · Sep 22, 2014

thebetamaxboy said:
I feel if we weren't going to back Poch and his sytem with Schneiderlin then De Boer was the better option as his tactics seem more flexible and less reliant on a specific type of player in the middle dictating play.

Is Pochettino the manager I wanted... tbh ..not really .. personally felt Benitez or De Boer were more suited to our situation ... however we have Poch and we all need to give him time .. Levy made his choice and we will judge him on that. Lets see where this season takes us and what the jan window brings ...

I wanted De Boer but I'm pleased with Poch too, it feels dirty to be discussing his job situation this early into his tenure. Question the team's performance by all means but I refuse to discuss other managers at this point. Pochettino is here and I hope he gets years to prove himself and build the team as he sees fit, not just the 10 or 11 weeks that he's been here so far.

iluvsteffenfreund · Sep 22, 2014

Why are we all so surprised ? A number of us called it when we failed in the transfer market, we were left with the same crop that failed last season the new manager couldn't get who he wanted and it really wouldn't matter if we had mourinho with this current crop, they are not good enough to get us top 4 or win a trophy. Simple. A number of people on here said they were happy with our dealings and they trusted poch because we had a good pre season !? Utterly ridiculous! What worries me is how obvious our lack of quality is to us the fans yet the hierarchy keep telling us how much quality we have at the club?! Nonsense. Same old spurs

lenny7 · Sep 22, 2014

Gassin's finest said:
True, we're just getting out of the way early on!

Let's hope that's the case and our time in the doldrums are behind us when we visit the Death Star at the weekend, mind you, getting that one out the way early doors is probably a blessing as well really.

thebetamaxboy · Sep 22, 2014

mquinn73 said:
That is true.

But isn't that the very problem that the Director of Football structure was supposed to correct? Isn't that one of the main reasons why Levy insisted on Arnesen, then Comolli, now Baldini? Seems to be backfiring (again).

Again, true. I know there are a lot of differing opinions as to why Harry "had to make do with freebies" and we'll probably never know the truth. Did Levy not support or trust Harry despite the on-field success? Did Levy offer the players to Harry and Redknapp couldn't/wouldn't make a decision? Who knows. But either way, there was a unique opportunity for this club to kick on back in 2011 and it didn't happen. It seemed all we needed was a top class striker but all we got was a bunch of "Blue & Yellow" rumours...

Yes, hopefully Poch will get the job done. And he needs time to do it. At least a season. But at the same time, he was appointed on the back of a pretty thin CV. It's not like he's got a history of winning things as a manager. There is the temptation to give him credit for everything that went well at Southampton - and while he deserves some for sure, we can see that it wasn't all down to him.

Just surprises me that a lot of the posters on this forum who want to give Poch time (which he deserves) are the same people who were delighted when Levy sacked Redknapp and who wanted Sherwood hung from the top of the West Stand.

to be fair. redknapp was given a lot of time and support by fans but refused to rule out the England job until the end of the season .. it's that which derailed his tenure.

jezz · Sep 22, 2014

iluvsteffenfreund said:
Why are we all so surprised ? A number of us called it when we failed in the transfer market, we were left with the same crop that failed last season the new manager couldn't get who he wanted and it really wouldn't matter if we had mourinho with this current crop, they are not good enough to get us top 4 or win a trophy. Simple. A number of people on here said they were happy with our dealings and they trusted poch because we had a good pre season !? Utterly ridiculous! What worries me is how obvious our lack of quality is to us the fans yet the hierarchy keep telling us how much quality we have at the club?! Nonsense. Same old spurs

What you mean like telling all and sundry that Dembele is our best CM?
Are you saying he's crap now after yesterday?

jezz · Sep 22, 2014

Spurs Lad said:
Unfortunately Jez you're wrong mate - 2 assists this season, no goals (not inc. friendlies). This boy is still lightweight even after the season bulking up after injury... Yes he gets up and keeps going, but even Townsend does this, but look at his introduction at Liverpool when he ALSO tried too much - Moreno takes it off him and away he goes - the rest is history.

We need the quick pass and move back in our game - accuracy is so important and Lamela lets us down in the final 3rd - We need to get it to the wings early and get that ball in the box. just not enough of that happening yesterday.

Sorry - He's not productive enough in my opinion. He gets in the way

Sorry mate you're opinion and stats are conflicting.
It's 4 not 2.
Chuck in a couple of MOTM awards.
I'm going to have believe the stats on this occasion.

CowInAComa · Sep 22, 2014

bunch of total cockwombles in this thread.

we should have bought more players blah blah. Always the answer isnt it. Worked a treat for us last year didnt it. Working a treat for Liverpool as well.

Im glad as fuck we didnt go on a mad spending spree again.

jezz · Sep 22, 2014

ebzrascal said:
It`s a forum for views I can give my opinion and you can give yours that`s called freedom of speech... Some people agree with me and some people do not that`s fair enough.
But equally not everyone is as satisfied as you are with the progress of the team.

What after 5 league games you're not satisfied?
Don't you think the manager deserves more than 5 game's to implement his philosophy?
Could we not hold off till Xmas at least?
Or should the conveyer belt fire up, and on to the next manager or player who you fancy, before he has an off day?

Kendall · Sep 22, 2014

It was all looking a bit Maure Villas-Poach yesterday.

Wheeler Dealer · Sep 22, 2014

CowInAComa said:
bunch of total cockwombles in this thread.

we should have bought more players blah blah. Always the answer isnt it. Worked a treat for us last year didnt it. Working a treat for Liverpool as well.

Im glad as fuck we didnt go on a mad spending spree again.

Is this the same Liverpool that spanked us 3-0 and could and should have been more

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