Bit of a mess!

[yido_number1]

And what do we do with the english players who don't have the right attitude ? Like Naughton, Rose, Townsend ?

What has Townsend and Naughton done?

 

[Gassin's finest]

So basically....

God, we were so awsum a few years ago with 'Arry and Bale and Rafa and Luka, etc etc etc... and now we're shit! It's not fair! Only we're not really shit, we've actually got a great squad... but then they were pants last year... but now we've got a good manager... oh but he didnt really do that much did he? Played some good stuff, and that Lallana, Jay and Rickie did well good for him... but they weren't really that good...

Oh I'm so confused!!!!!

 

[Norwegian Spurs fan]

The name of this thread should be "Bit of a guess"

 

[Lufti]

Are you in a competition with @Climbpacked ?

 

[robbiedee]

We need to get rid of some of these foreigners

Uh oh...my racist Nan has been saying this about Tottenham for years...although I think she may have phrased it more colourfully

 

[Flashspur]

I think lukespurs7 is brave for posting a contrarian view and has had some differing opinions...keep it up dude because this site needs everyone with an opinion posting...not just the experienced posters

 

[Hazardousman]

We need to get rid of some of these foreigners

Tim?

 

[lukespurs7]

Lead

Glad I could provide some entertainment with my spelling mistake typing this on my autocorrecting I-phone at a beach bar in Spain.

Obviously going to get a few reactions from the post as it's not 'Poch is amazing we are going to win the league' but the real point is when constructing a squad it needs the right blend of many characteristics both in terms of personality,experience and playing style/ability. Our squad is very talented don't get me wrong and Davies and Vorm are the exact kind of additions we need. However there are still a lot of players who aren't good enough to take us to the next level or don't really suit the way Spurs like to play,who it seems we signed not really thinking about how they would fit into the squad.

If we can get rid of a few more and add a few more of real quality to address the balance we'll be in great shape.

Hopefully Poch can be the man long-term and the club and the squad get some much needed stability again.

 

[lukespurs7]

"We need to get rid of some of these foreigners"

didnt like the way this was worded.

I think the quote actually was 'we need to get rid of some of these foreigners WHO DONT HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE AND ABILITY' so don't label me as some sort of racist. I am simply addressing that two of the players with often the poorest attitude or workrate were from overseas. I think as good a player as Ade is,he plays well for a few games then can't be arsed again. Players who we had a few years ago had the right attitude AND ability: E.g. Corluka,Modric,Parker,VDV etc.

Ones similar to those now are:Lloris,Holtby,Eriksen.

Anyway you get the point, we need players with the right attitude and ability to take us forward weather that be British or from overseas.

 

[lukespurs7]

I laughed at the comment' we need to get rid of the foreign players!!!! that don't have the right attitude!!! such as Paulinho and Ade....yet build the team around Vertonghen!!!

Pauliniho I was referring to his ability or lack thereof and Ade to his erratic attitude combined with the fact he is on big wages and is not getting any younger.

Jan is a top class player and pro who was pissed off at being managed by AVB and then Tim both of whom who didn't have a clue and probably generally wanted out at the time as he well knows he is better than being in a team that is losing 5-0 ,6-0 etc top 4 sides.

 

[lukespurs7]

The current situation reminds me of the time when Harry took over.

A decent squad of players with just a couple of positions to fix and a manager to get them playing.
Harry bought in Palacios and Crouch/Defoe and told them to 'run about a bit' and the rest is history.

Poch has already recognised and, hopefully, solved one major issue at LB and is looking at fixing the reserve keeper issue.
In one friendly he has already tried to get us playing quicker, one touch, football so is trying to get them playing.

Any further player acquisitions would be easily funded by sales so I think we are in a really good position at the moment.
I firmly believe that our chances are being underestimated this year and, as we did a few years ago under Harry, we could pull off a surprise 4th place finish.

agree with most of that pal and as when Harry took over it was also a bit of a mess. BUT what I am saying is if we can address the issues we can do very well. Davies and Vorm being a great start.

 

[hellava_tough]

I think we're lacking a central midfield dynamo and perhaps a striker (depending on how Soldado gets on). Apart from that though, we're not looking too bad.

We certainly look like the 6th best squad in the league on paper, which is where we should be tbf

 

[lukespurs7]

I stopped reading there.

Arry knew how to collect a bunch of last pay day Mercenaries and run them into the ground with no squad rotation and no plan B.

He had a wealth of youth players available to him but didn't know how to coach them or use them to rotate the first team players so he sent them on loan to clubs that COULD coach and give them a game.

Bale & Modric were going to go no matter what.

I don't know where this scattergun theory comes from. We've had shocking luck with injuries to defensive players and we've not seen any major transfer movement yet. As far as I can see we actually have 2 players for every midfield position if we were going to be playing a midfield 5 with 2 DMs and 3 AMs, and 3 decent strike options.

The club can't be blamed for Benny burning his bridges and Dawson winning his place back - the only transfer I've not been able to understand is the sale of Caulker.

We've easily got the most talented squad outside of the top four, they just need a system and a coach that believes in his own system strongly enough to convince the players to pull it off.

And the fans to stop being such fickle fucks.

Not a single fan was saying no to Dembele, Soldado, Paulinho or Lamela before we signed them - players need backing from the fans, not groaning and discontent at every touch of the ball.

So decisions I would question would be for example:
Selling Calker and replacing him with Chiriches.
Not buying a LB last year.
Having:Siggurdson,Holtby,Eriksen and Chadli all who play the same position.
Not buying a LW/LF to replace Bale and before anyone says Lamela I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be a RWF.

We could also do with a CM who can pass the ball forward instead of:Capoue,Sandro,Dembele,Pauliniho etc who all pretty much do the same thing.

We need or have needed until very recently:
Back up GK
LB
CB
CM
LM
ST

I'll let off the 'ST' pos as Soldado was supposed to fit that bill and hopefully he still will come good.

 

[lukespurs7]

I'm not sure why you are receiving such a backlash, maybe because some people want pure positivity. I don't totally agree with what you are saying but there are certainly question marks over some of the new players.

Paulinho, Soldado, Chadil, Lamela. Out of those I'm confident that Lamela will make it. Verts, his attitude was questionable last season. Dembele, good but not good enough about to start his third season with his hip not sorted. Sandro, I like him but the dude is always injured.

Lennon, purely a speed merchant, can't cross, can't shoot that isn't good enough for a winger.
Rose not good enough and has a questionable attitude. Naughton, good attitude but not the ability. Townsend good attitude, some ability there I'd like to see what Poch can do with him.
Dawson, fantastic attitude, ability is lacking but I'm not against him staying if he wants to stay.
Holtby, I think could be a future captain, he has a winning attitude and he does have the ability.

Ade certainly has ability but I'd certainly question his attitude. That goal that him and Paulinho let in against West ham was something I'm not going to forget.

As for the DoF my impression is he has little or no influence at all. The players that we are linked with are not very inspiring but the window is not over yet. I don't think we need to go crazy with spending, we need just to get one or two in.

Spot on.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

I think the quote actually was 'we need to get rid of some of these foreigners WHO DONT HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE AND ABILITY' so don't label me as some sort of racist. I am simply addressing that two of the players with often the poorest attitude or workrate were from overseas. I think as good a player as Ade is,he plays well for a few games then can't be arsed again. Players who we had a few years ago had the right attitude AND ability: E.g. Corluka,Modric,Parker,VDV etc.

Ones similar to those now are:Lloris,Holtby,Eriksen.

Anyway you get the point, we need players with the right attitude and ability to take us forward weather that be British or from overseas.

I didn't label you anything. I said I didn't like the way it was worded, and I don't.

You could of worded the sentence "some of these players" it was you that called race or foreign into this.

I don't label, i observe, i didnt like the vibe of the whole post, and I didn't like the vibe of the quoted sentence particularly. If you don't want people to comment on your post, then you are in the wrong place.

Let's leave it at that, we don't need to discuss this further.

 

[lukespurs7]

Yes, foreigners, terrible attitude - Costa Ricans, Dutch, Argentinians, worst of all those Germans...

Or perhaps just the two In question the ones I mentioned. One of which was part of a Brazil team/squad who took it's biggest beating for years and one of which who has fallen out with pretty much every manager he has played under,hardly the best striker to build your long term plans around.

 

[hellava_tough]

So decisions I would question would be for example:
Selling Calker and replacing him with Chiriches.
Not buying a LB last year.
Having:Siggurdson,Holtby,Eriksen and Chadli all who play the same position.
Not buying a LW/LF to replace Bale and before anyone says Lamela I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be a RWF.

We could also do with a CM who can pass the ball forward instead of:Capoue,Sandro,Dembele,Pauliniho etc who all pretty much do the same thing.

We need or have needed until very recently:
Back up GK
LB
CB
CM
LM
ST

I'll let off the 'ST' pos as Soldado was supposed to fit that bill and hopefully he still will come good.

Well GK and LB seem to be sorted now

ST as you said can be put on hold

LM - can Eriksen player there, with the likes of Chadli, Holtby or a youth player taking up the number 10 role? Or conversely, Eriksen plays number 10, with Townsend, Lennon, Chadli, etc playing on the left?

That leaves CB and CM. Which is fair enough.

 

[lukespurs7]

I didn't label you anything. I said I didn't like the way it was worded, and I don't.

You could of worded the sentence "some of these players" it was you that called race or foreign into this.

I don't label, i observe, i didnt like the vibe of the whole post, and I didn't like the vibe of the quoted sentence particularly. If you don't want people to comment on your post, then you are in the wrong place.

Let's leave it at that, we don't need to discuss this further.

Fine.

 

[danielneeds]

Or perhaps just the two In question the ones I mentioned. One of which was part of a Brazil team/squad who took it's biggest beating for years and one of which who has fallen out with pretty much every manager he has played under,hardly the best striker to build your long term plans around.

I don't think Paulinho has a bad attitude, I just think he has lost all his form and confidence after a move to a club in turmoil last season.

As for Ade, yes he is a massive bell-end sometimes, but the fact is if was a 100% reliable performer, with his talent he'd still be playing for City or another super club.

Infact if neither of them are sold, they will both be fascinating case studies of MoPo's management abilities. So I guess it is watch this space...

 

[eViL]

So decisions I would question would be for example:
Selling Calker and replacing him with Chiriches.
Not buying a LB last year.
Having:Siggurdson,Holtby,Eriksen and Chadli all who play the same position.
Not buying a LW/LF to replace Bale and before anyone says Lamela I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be a RWF.

We could also do with a CM who can pass the ball forward instead of:Capoue,Sandro,Dembele,Pauliniho etc who all pretty much do the same thing.

We need or have needed until very recently:
Back up GK
LB
CB
CM
LM
ST

I'll let off the 'ST' pos as Soldado was supposed to fit that bill and hopefully he still will come good.

No I question selling Caulker and keeping Dawson.

Chiriches is going to be a fantastic player.