Bit of a mess!

[lukespurs7]

Disagree with the OP but am bored to shit with all this shouting down a post which disagrees with whatever the herd mentality thinks this month.

We are, however, not as good as we were 2011/12 I agree with that. But that year we really had one hell of a team which in the end actually under performed.

Even so I really don't want to see many big changes. Players develop after all. Nor Bale nor Modric came here as the finished article. I can really see Lamela and Eriksen reaching a similar level as well (I don't think they ever quite will, but they have bags of potential the two of them) and I really believe Eriksen will surpass VdV level by the time he leaves us (at 42 years to the New York Cosmos, now a MLS team, after eclipsing the Greaves record from midfield. What?). But most importantly we need stability, the team hasn't really been a team since the start of AVBs reign really. A lot of new faces with few players having really been at the club for all that long. Stability really does help bread success.

But, this season I expect little. Liverpool have looked poor in the market, but then again have a good team. Man utd have a new coach and he will instill a wining mentality, the could yet fail though. Arsenal and Chelsea have strengthened. Man city are way above us. Everton will be no push overs. Getting 6th again would not exactly indicate the worst season this year.

So rather then thinking about league position I want us to just play with freedom and excite a little again. I want to see this team develop. I would love to go on a little cup run, maybe win something The Europa League may actually be the easiest way into the CL for us next year as well. But even with this little expectations, or maybe because of them, I find myself really fucking excited about the start of the new season!

Really agree with this!!!

Would be happy with better football, some good results against the top4, a 5/6th placed finish and hopefully sneak into a final whilst seeing a clear structure on the pitch and with the squad starting to emerge(stability as you said). If all that happened, which is very realistic i think that would count as a successful first season for Poch which we can start to build on eventually going into the new stadium one day.

 

[Mullers]

TBF he has edited the OP a lot. The first draft was a right mess.

I believe I saw the same draft as you, I don't think it was a mess. I'm not saying I agreed with everything but the jist of it was spot on. Some people latched on to the fact that he said he wanted to get rid of some of the foreigners. The likes of Soldado, Chadil, Paulinho, Dembele, Lamela are foreigners and they did not perform as people expected them to. Lamela will come good the rest all have question marks hanging over them.

 

[kungfugrip]

New players always take time to adjust and gel wit a team and foreign players need to get used to the style of play in the Premier League as it is very different to Spain and Italy. We have some great talent that just have not yet started clicking but with good management they will come good and I am really excited to see what Poch can do with the team and particularly Lamela as he has a crazy amount of potential (more than Bale ever had IMO) but hasn't been developed as Sherwood took a dislike to him. Also confident he can get Soldado back on track as long as his confidence isn't too low as he could be great for us and provide the edge up front we have been missing for a long time. Looking at what Poch did with his last team, he should have most of the players in place already to play exciting and attacking football.

Can't really agree with that. At the same age Lamela is NOW, Bale was demolishing teams in the Champions League and winning PFA Player of the Year. Where is Lamela at the same stage? Will he even be a regular first team starter this season? He's coming 23 this season and I hope he can come up with the goods, but not convinced at all.

 

[Mullers]

Can't really agree with that. At the same age Lamela is NOW, Bale was demolishing teams in the Champions League and winning PFA Player of the Year. Where is Lamela at the same stage? Will he even be a regular first team starter this season? He's coming 23 this season and I hope he can come up with the goods, but not convinced at all.

Apart from Inter, which other teams did Bale demolish in the champions league?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Will he even be a regular first team starter this season?

Is that a serious question?

 

[kungfugrip]

Apart from Inter, which other teams did Bale demolish in the champions league?

3 assists and a goal against Young Boys, a brilliant goal and won a penalty against Twente, set up the first goal against Bremen, the hat-trick and two assists against holders Inter......you know, the kind of performances that got him into the team of the tournament.

 

[spurs9]

Can't really agree with that. At the same age Lamela is NOW, Bale was demolishing teams in the Champions League and winning PFA Player of the Year. Where is Lamela at the same stage? Will he even be a regular first team starter this season? He's coming 23 this season and I hope he can come up with the goods, but not convinced at all.

At the same age, Bale had, in the league (inc Championship), played 118, scored 17 (0.14 goals per game ave), assisted 19 (0.16 ave).
In all comps (exc int), P 159, S 22 (0.14 ave), A 38 (0.24 ave).

Lamela in comparison P 107, S 23 (0.21 ave), A 19 (0.18 ave).
In all comps (exc int), P 120, S 24 (0.20 ave), A 23 (0.19 ave).

 

[kungfugrip]

At the same age, Bale had, in the league (inc Championship), played 118, scored 17 (0.14 goals per game ave), assisted 19 (0.16 ave).
In all comps (exc int), P 159, S 22 (0.14 ave), A 38 (0.24 ave).

Lamela in comparison P 107, S 23 (0.21 ave), A 19 (0.18 ave).
In all comps (exc int), P 120, S 24 (0.20 ave), A 23 (0.19 ave).

And how many of those games did Lamela play at Left Back???!!!! Bit easier to score and assist where Lamela has played further up the pitch!!

I'd prefer to compare Bale's early stats to Ronaldo. In their first 100 Premiership games for Spurs and United, Bale had scored more goals, made more assists, completed more dribbles, more tackles and had a better pass completion rate than Ronaldo. To me, that is a more accurate barometer of how good Bale was when he was a bit younger.

 

[Mullers]

3 assists and a goal against Young Boys, a brilliant goal and won a penalty against Twente, set up the first goal against Bremen, the hat-trick and two assists against holders Inter......you know, the kind of performances that got him into the team of the tournament.

We weren't in the Champions league when we played young boys and I already mentioned Inter. To me demolish means like the performance against inter.

 

[kungfugrip]

We weren't in the Champions league when we played young boys and I already mentioned Inter. To me demolish means like the performance against inter.

Ok....put it another way.......Lamela hasn't demonstrated, on the biggest club stage, what Bale did at the same age.

 

[Mullers]

Ok....put it another way.......Lamela hasn't demonstrated, on the biggest club stage, what Bale did at the same age.

We haven't qualified for the CL since we were last in it. So it wasn't possible for him to demonstrate it on the biggest stage.

But anyway, it's not a race, people peak at different times, he was injured and left out of the side for a large part of last season. New manager, new start for everyone, I'm confident he is going to come good.

 

[fedupyid]

Every Spurs fan knows that Pochettino is not going to be backed our defence is a shambles still the only one who shown us recently he is a good defender out of our centre backs is Verthongen. The fact is we should have signed a new centre back weeks ago as it is we are starting the season with Verthongen only being in training under a new manager for two and half weeks if Mussachio is too expensive forget about him the deal is not worth doing.

Then there is our midfield which is a disaster we are so over established in this area we have 6 central midfielders who started matches last season 4 wingeresque type players and 1 playmaker.

Strikeforce we have 3 centre forwards and all have their problems. The only position that is sorted in our squad that is sorted is keeper and even then I would be tempted not to register Friedel for the premier league because that would mean of the 17 foreign players your allowed to register 3 would be keepers.

My belief is because we are side that goes through constant change it has left us with a squad which has absolutely no balance no centralised group of players that make up the foundation of the team. We are all saying that we do not expect a top 4 finish this season but with the way we act in the transfer market and the very few players we bring through our academy can we ever expect to challenge for top four. While Redknapp was manager he had a strong foundation of players to work with, very little needed to be added to it, to allow top 4 race to be close but unless someone has a clear vision of what they want to happen at the club and start laying the foundations of squad this summer the future looks bleak.

 

[lukespurs7]

Still a mess. Not enough balance in the team, Chaldi and Lamela just cut inside all day long. Lloris and Rose were good today and Eriksen did ok, as for the rest they just don't seem up to or up for it.

We have bought a mish mash of a squad with some very average players with no real plan of where they all fit in,we lack characters leaders and players the fans can have rapport with like we used to have e.g. Dawson,King,BAE,Parker,VDV,Bale,Keane,Defoe etc.

Right now I don't have as much connection with or passion for our current crop of players to do well,we have massively gone backwards and anyone who says we haven't needs to take a look at themselves.

Of course we need to give Potch time but it's not his fault he has an unbalanced squad. Newcastle were there for the taking today and as usual we fucked it up. Our home record so far is a joke,even the win against Southampton was quite lucky and QPR are shocking.

This director of football shit does not work,the one time recently we haven't used one with Redknapp we had a well balanced squad with some good players,we are now an absolute mess and AVB,Sherwood and Potch are all finding the same issues.

Sort it out Levy and sort it out Spurs, I want my Tottenham back. The Jol and Redknapp days we were building something special and moving in the right direction and I enjoyed watching us and coming to the lane and seeing our development. Right now we are poor COYS.

 

[striebs]

Listening to the intro for Man Utd Chelsea on the radio I actually thought about walking up the road to a watch some real football as an antidote to listening to THFC .

Relinquished my season ticket at the end of last season and so far am not regretting it .

Spurs are not even a good team playing badly . We are woeful and the goalkeeper is our best player most weeks .

Will do Tottenham some good to finish bottom half of the table for a change .

Under AVB , Tim and Poch , Spurs have been horrible to watch . Just rubbish .

 

[Montasura]

And we are still a mess...

You know what, you're right. We are a fucking shambles right now and this team is sucking my soul away.

That said, you're still an arse that started a stupid bloody thread.

 

[Lilbaz]

You know what, you're right. We are a fucking shambles right now and this team is sucking my soul away.

That said, you're still an arse that started a stupid bloody thread.

That is probably the best post since deer face.

 

[lukespurs7]

You know what, you're right. We are a fucking shambles right now and this team is sucking my soul away.

That said, you're still an arse that started a stupid bloody thread.

Agree with all except the last bit

 

[Hotspur33]

Wasn't sure where to post this ramble...but from a tactical point of view I think we are making some mistakes.

We use inverted wingers in a 4-2-3-1 formation and we always seem to lack width. For me a real weak point in our squad are the full backs. We have Rose and Walker who although have plenty if pace, make poor decisions and choose to smash the ball as hard as they can across goal rather than pick a pass.
Then we have Naughton and Davies. They are both better passers and have better delivery, but are very conservative in making runs forward.

Better fullbacks would improve us no end

 

[spurs9]

Wasn't sure where to post this ramble...but from a tactical point of view I think we are making some mistakes.

We use inverted wingers in a 4-2-3-1 formation and we always seem to lack width. For me a real weak point in our squad are the full backs. We have Rose and Walker who although have plenty if pace, make poor decisions and choose to smash the ball as hard as they can across goal rather than pick a pass.
Then we have Naughton and Davies. They are both better passers and have better delivery, but are very conservative in making runs forward.

Better fullbacks would improve us no end

I don't know how you can refer to Walker as weak point in Poch's system when he hasn't played for Poch (other than a couple of pre-season friendlies). Lets give him a chance first.

 

[Hotspur33]

I don't know how you can refer to Walker as weak point in Poch's system when he hasn't played for Poch (other than a couple of pre-season friendlies). Lets give him a chance first.

I'm referring to what I have seen from walker over the past few seasons. If Poch can help improve him then I will be delighted.
I am just surprised we persist with the inverted wingers when the fullbacks aren't providing enough quality in wide positions.