Bit of a mess!

[DogsOfWar]

agree with most of that pal and as when Harry took over it was also a bit of a mess. BUT what I am saying is if we can address the issues we can do very well. Davies and Vorm being a great start.

I think the problem with this season are the 'unknowns'.
Will Lamela step up?
Will Soldado find his goalscoring touch?
Will Ade keep his head together?
Will Kaboul stay fit?
Will we find a link man in our mass of CMs (or, if not, can we get Schneiderlin in)?
Will Davies be a fairly immediate success?
Can Poch get us playing football and make a team that is stronger than the sum of it's parts?

If the answer to all these questions is yes then I have no doubt we will have a genuine run at top four.
It's a question of how much confidence you have in them. Personally I see enough in Lamela and Soldado to believe they are capable of tearing up this league, Ade shouldn't have any distractions this season, and the rest is up to the manager or his judgement.
My biggest fear is Kaboul's fitness and Dawson having to deputise for most the season again.

As a result I really would like to see another CB come in, but apart from that, I'm happy enough as it stands.

 

[lukespurs7]

http://www.thetottenhamway.com/2014/07/26/eriksen-spurs-mega-big-mess-last-season/

So Eriksen agrees with me

 

[leffe186]

I didn't think the OP was all that negative tbh. The squad IS a bit messy, but that's at least in part because of the recent turnover of managers. Much like when Harry took over. I fully expect it to get sorted out over the next year or two if Poch sticks around.

Liverpool's squad was messy too, and they're just finishing it up now by buying Southampton. They still have some deadwood, like Borini, and it's taken Rodgers a couple of years to sort out.

 

[goughie1966]

I didn't think the OP was all that negative tbh. The squad IS a bit messy, but that's at least in part because of the recent turnover of managers. Much like when Harry took over. I fully expect it to get sorted out over the next year or two if Poch sticks around.

Liverpool's squad was messy too, and they're just finishing it up now by buying Southampton. They still have some deadwood, like Borini, and it's taken Rodgers a couple of years to sort out.

I wouldn't say the bin dippers are buying Southampton when it looks like we will have 2 of theirs soon, as well as their manager oh, and all their back room staff. And apparently we're taking Mavis their tea lady too. I read that on here earlier, that's not itk though.

 

[NEVILLEB]

The squad had been put together in a haphazard way.

Too few strikers.
Too many defensive central midfielders
Too few left backs
Not enough premier league experience
Not enough leaders

But Poch is addressing this I hope. A new Striker and another centre back and we 'll have a good squad.

More importantly a coach who creates a good team spirit and encourages attacking football will do wonders to bring back the atmosphere at WHL.

So the OP had it right but is perhaps a little late in posting it.

Who knows what Poch is going to be capable of!

 

[dontcallme]

http://www.thetottenhamway.com/2014/07/26/eriksen-spurs-mega-big-mess-last-season/

So Eriksen agrees with me

Eriksen didn't say anything like your OP.

I don't think your views are particularly bad but you've worded the OP really weirdly and it's hard to find what your real point is.

I wonder if our transfer policy is the right one. Last summer we bought 7 relatively expensive signings. It was never going to be an easy job to get them to click straight away and gel as a team.

Redknapp was much more safe in the transfer market and largely bought Prem based players he'd had before so the integration period was shorter but the talent often just wasn't quite there and we hit a ceiling.

I like what we've done so far this summer. A couple of intelligent, non-high profile signings and the onus is on our new players from last summer to step up their game. They haven't been frozen out based on a bad season.

 

[lukespurs7]

Eriksen didn't say anything like your OP.

I don't think your views are particularly bad but you've worded the OP really weirdly and it's hard to find what your real point is.

I wonder if our transfer policy is the right one. Last summer we bought 7 relatively expensive signings. It was never going to be an easy job to get them to click straight away and gel as a team.

Redknapp was much more safe in the transfer market and largely bought Prem based players he'd had before so the integration period was shorter but the talent often just wasn't quite there and we hit a ceiling.

I like what we've done so far this summer. A couple of intelligent, non-high profile signings and the onus is on our new players from last summer to step up their game. They haven't been frozen out based on a bad season.

Agree with all that.

And probably not my most eloquently written post as it was a 'Spur' of the moment rant on a mobile after a few too many Sangrias.

If Morgan and J-Rod come in + a CB id say we'll have had a near enough perfect window when combining the astute whilst not spectacular signings with new contracts for our 2 best players.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I stopped reading there.

Arry knew how to collect a bunch of last pay day Mercenaries and run them into the ground with no squad rotation and no plan B.

He had a wealth of youth players available to him but didn't know how to coach them or use them to rotate the first team players so he sent them on loan to clubs that COULD coach and give them a game.

Bale & Modric were going to go no matter what.

I don't know where this scattergun theory comes from. We've had shocking luck with injuries to defensive players and we've not seen any major transfer movement yet. As far as I can see we actually have 2 players for every midfield position if we were going to be playing a midfield 5 with 2 DMs and 3 AMs, and 3 decent strike options.

The club can't be blamed for Benny burning his bridges and Dawson winning his place back - the only transfer I've not been able to understand is the sale of Caulker.

We've easily got the most talented squad outside of the top four, they just need a system and a coach that believes in his own system strongly enough to convince the players to pull it off.

And the fans to stop being such fickle fucks.

Not a single fan was saying no to Dembele, Soldado, Paulinho or Lamela before we signed them - players need backing from the fans, not groaning and discontent at every touch of the ball.

A few fans said no to Soldado to be fair.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I think the quote actually was 'we need to get rid of some of these foreigners WHO DONT HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE AND ABILITY' so don't label me as some sort of racist. I am simply addressing that two of the players with often the poorest attitude or workrate were from overseas. I think as good a player as Ade is,he plays well for a few games then can't be arsed again. Players who we had a few years ago had the right attitude AND ability: E.g. Corluka,Modric,Parker,VDV etc.

Ones similar to those now are:Lloris,Holtby,Eriksen.

Anyway you get the point, we need players with the right attitude and ability to take us forward weather that be British or from overseas.

Why does their nationality have anything do with it at all? Why couldn't the sentence have been: 'we need to get rid of some of these players who don't have the right attitude'.

No one is saying you're racist. However, if someone was to say you were being xenophobic...

 

[Tottenham_God]

Cocaine

 

[sloth]

The squad had been put together in a haphazard way.

Too few strikers.
Too many defensive central midfielders
Too few left backs
Not enough premier league experience
Not enough leaders

But Poch is addressing this I hope. A new Striker and another centre back and we 'll have a good squad.

More importantly a coach who creates a good team spirit and encourages attacking football will do wonders to bring back the atmosphere at WHL.

So the OP had it right but is perhaps a little late in posting it.

Who knows what Poch is going to be capable of!

Levy and Baldini remain at the club.

 

[myhartlane]

You're fighting yesterday's war mate.

 

[SteveH]

The squad had been put together in a haphazard way.

Too few strikers.
Too many defensive central midfielders
Too few left backs
Not enough premier league experience
Not enough leaders

But Poch is addressing this I hope. A new Striker and another centre back and we 'll have a good squad.

More importantly a coach who creates a good team spirit and encourages attacking football will do wonders to bring back the atmosphere at WHL.

So the OP had it right but is perhaps a little late in posting it.

Who knows what Poch is going to be capable of!

Nice to see you are up and looking forward to the new season - you will be booking in to Dignitas come September. Chillax geezer

 

[DJS]

So I'm currently riding a usual wave of Spurs pre-season optimism. I feel we made the right choice in manager,he's young plays football the right way and will get the best out of our squad.

But then I also feel pretty pissed off that our squad is in my opinion such a mess. Since we sacked arry we've sold our best 3 players:VDV,Bale,Modric, we have also lost or ousted one way or another very influential parts of a team that got us to a CL quarter final:King,Corluka,Parker,Defoe...we also broke up a strong spine of experienced internationals and British players who know the PL.

Arry knew how to build a team and a squad and since he left we have adopted a scattergun approach to hiring players which does not work. We have bought players not thinking about how they may fit not only into the system but also how they will work with the current blend in the squad.

We have since then bought some class players who we still have and can build a good team around: Lloris,Vergthongen,Lamela?,Eriksen etc.

We need to get rid of some of these foreigners who don't have the right attitude and ability e.g. Pauliniho,Ade? Etc and bring in a few more with prem experience Davies is a good start and ones in positions we need to strengthen who will balance the squad.

It's not a disaster but as good a coach as Poch might be he has a bit of a mess of a squad on his hands. Player recruitment is so so key at a club and this director of football shit means we take 1 step forward 4 back time after time.

If Poch is the right man and starts getting performances and results I say get rid of Baldino and bloody leave the manager to it.

COYS,

Erm...

 

[Sweech]

I don't think you give this team enough credit.

VDV and Modric were foreign and we got rid of them. Should probably help the team out getting rid of them then, yeah? Should give more room to the guys that deserve it like Townsend.

 

[lukespurs7]

I don't think you give this team enough credit.

VDV and Modric were foreign and we got rid of them. Should probably help the team out getting rid of them then, yeah? Should give more room to the guys that deserve it like Townsend.

Give them enough credit for what? Losing to west ham 3 times last year,getting battered 5/6-0 buy the top4,going out early in all the cups,playing possibly at times the most diss-jointed and boring football I have seen at the lane for the last 10 or so years.

Sorry but last season was a mess from start to finish on and off the field,I think we have a huge amount of potential and hopefully potch is the right man to get us playing again.

Your comments about VDV and Modric don't have any meaning as I explained a few times before,I may have miss-phrased slightly re getting rid of players however I did state that I meant the ones who don't have the quality or right attitude hardly think that applied to VDV or Modders.

Townsend is a young chap with bags of ability but needs coaching.

Not really sure why I've even replied to this tbh.

 

[C0YS]

Disagree with the OP but am bored to shit with all this shouting down a post which disagrees with whatever the herd mentality thinks this month.

We are, however, not as good as we were 2011/12 I agree with that. But that year we really had one hell of a team which in the end actually under performed.

Even so I really don't want to see many big changes. Players develop after all. Nor Bale nor Modric came here as the finished article. I can really see Lamela and Eriksen reaching a similar level as well (I don't think they ever quite will, but they have bags of potential the two of them) and I really believe Eriksen will surpass VdV level by the time he leaves us (at 42 years to the New York Cosmos, now a MLS team, after eclipsing the Greaves record from midfield. What?). But most importantly we need stability, the team hasn't really been a team since the start of AVBs reign really. A lot of new faces with few players having really been at the club for all that long. Stability really does help bread success.

But, this season I expect little. Liverpool have looked poor in the market, but then again have a good team. Man utd have a new coach and he will instill a wining mentality, the could yet fail though. Arsenal and Chelsea have strengthened. Man city are way above us. Everton will be no push overs. Getting 6th again would not exactly indicate the worst season this year.

So rather then thinking about league position I want us to just play with freedom and excite a little again. I want to see this team develop. I would love to go on a little cup run, maybe win something The Europa League may actually be the easiest way into the CL for us next year as well. But even with this little expectations, or maybe because of them, I find myself really fucking excited about the start of the new season!

 

[Sweech]

Give them enough credit for what? Losing to west ham 3 times last year,getting battered 5/6-0 buy the top4,going out early in all the cups,playing possibly at times the most diss-jointed and boring football I have seen at the lane for the last 10 or so years.

Sorry but last season was a mess from start to finish on and off the field,I think we have a huge amount of potential and hopefully potch is the right man to get us playing again.

Your comments about VDV and Modric don't have any meaning as I explained a few times before,I may have miss-phrased slightly re getting rid of players however I did state that I meant the ones who don't have the quality or right attitude hardly think that applied to VDV or Modders.

Townsend is a young chap with bags of ability but needs coaching.

Not really sure why I've even replied to this tbh.

Yeah, I was just taking the piss.

 

[NEVILLEB]

It's depressing that the majority of the forum can't recognise the relative accuracy of the opening post.

 

[dontcallme]

It's depressing that the majority of the forum can't recognise the relative accuracy of the opening post.

TBF he has edited the OP a lot. The first draft was a right mess.