Do we need Dier now?

[thinktank]

True, but the question still stands. Is he capable of keeping his CM spot when Wanyama comes back?

Wrong way to think of it. SQUAD.

 

[nightgoat]

Fuck my life it's as if BC's indoctrination bullshit has seeped through. We lost because the whole team came out second half assuming the game was already won. Vorm, Alderweireld, Foyth variously at fault for goals. Alli cocking up at least two counters by holding on to the ball too long. Sissoko returning to last season's Sissoko after scoring and not being on the same plane of thought as the likes of Son. Putting crosses in once Llorente had been subbed and there was no one to get on the end of them. The sole addition of Wanyama to tonight's game (the good Wanyama at that, not the dreadful version of games like Monaco away last season) wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference to the collective effort, or lack thereof of that second half.

 

[WiganSpur]

Wrong way to think of it. SQUAD.

I don't think so tbh. This is just my opinion but I think Wanyama is the better midfielder. If I was the manager Dier is getting less of a look in for me. I'd want Victor starting most important games if he's fit.

I don't think Eric sees himself as a squad player. The problem is that he overrates his own ability in midfield.

 

[nightgoat]

Was very good first half. Not sure why he's getting stick.

Someone always has to be the scapegoat.

 

[WiganSpur]

Someone always has to be the scapegoat.

Nobody is blaming just him for the defeat.

Look how old the thread is, this argument has been considered and debated for months.

 

[Maske2g]

I don't think so tbh. This is just my opinion but I think Wanyama is the better midfielder. If I was the manager Dier is getting less of a look in for me. I'd want Victor starting most important games if he's fit.

I don't think Eric sees himself as a squad player. The problem is that he overrates his own ability in midfield.

1st point, not even close to VW.

2nd point, he doesnt know his role. Same as in the Swansea game and the Burnley game. When the shit hits the fan he takes it on himself to be some sort of creative visionary, but he isnt particularly gifted. I admire the will to take responsibility but know your role in the team. Give it to the talented attacking players rather than attempting the round the corner dinked Hollywood Pirlo balls etc etc.

 

[nightgoat]

Nobody is blaming just him for the defeat.

Look how old the thread is, this argument has been considered and debated for months.

Apart from the posts that are effectively blaming him for tonight and other games we haven't won this season. It might be an old thread, but it was a stupid thread to begin with.

 

[Maske2g]

Someone always has to be the scapegoat.

certainly not. If you want some more, Alli and Sons little love in in the second half was disgraceful. Neither have been good enough this season to warrant strolling around, and trying to embarrass the other side with tricks and cuteness, and they only succeeded in inciting WH.

I felt sorry for Sissokho because his confidence is only just building its fragile.

Poor GKN only seems to get a nod when we have 5 mins to pull off an escape. Give the boy 20 mins when 3-0 up. That is how you build confidence.

 

[Charly***]

Thinky is bang on about squad. You can write down your best 11 with Victor etc but with games coming thick and fast & injuries how often can you get your best 11 on the pitch?
A player like Dier is invaluable, Ferguson used to have the likes of Phil Neville. Dier is a class above him. Plus Dier is young and learning two positions in a very competitive league. Not easy.
We lost a game of football tonight, to a horrible rubbish team, but one that has great motivation to beat us. It happens. Don't look for scapegoats.

 

[Maske2g]

Apart from the posts that are effectively blaming him for tonight and other games we haven't won this season. It might be an old thread, but it was a stupid thread to begin with.

1) He isnt worth 60 million pound not in any market. Very few defensive players are.

2) The question, before Wanyama missed half a season, and having bought a better centre half, was , can we afford to turn down 60m for effectively a utility sub.

So, I would say the only stupidity would be failing to grasp those very valid arguements.

And given he has been poor to mediocre in all bar one game he has played in midfield this season, the argument still stands today.

We, as a football club, cannot afford to have 60m pound average utility players.

 

[WiganSpur]

1st point, not even close to VW.

2nd point, he doesnt know his role. Same as in the Swansea game and the Burnley game. When the shit hits the fan he takes it on himself to be some sort of creative visionary, but he isnt particularly gifted. I admire the will to take responsibility but know your role in the team. Give it to the talented attacking players rather than attempting the round the corner dinked Hollywood Pirlo balls etc etc.

My main issue with him in CM is that he gets turned very very easily because he doesn't possess the necessary agility and a lot of the time he is too afraid to show for the ball. Not good when you're a possession based side.

It's a shame because I like the guy and especially his attitude, but the more he plays CM the more I just think CB playing out of position for one game.

Poch is a genius of a coach so I hope he can really bring on this side of his game but he hasn't been successful in doing so as of yet.

 

[WiganSpur]

1) He isnt worth 60 million pound not in any market. Very few defensive players are.

2) The question, before Wanyama missed half a season, and having bought a better centre half, was , can we afford to turn down 60m for effectively a utility sub.

So, I would say the only stupidity would be failing to grasp those very valid arguements.

And given he has been poor to mediocre in all bar one game he has played in midfield this season, the argument still stands today.

We, as a football club, cannot afford to have 60m pound average utility players.

It's funny because as a CB he's probably worth that, but not as a midfielder.

 

[Maske2g]

It's funny because as a CB he's probably worth that, but not as a midfielder.

No CB is worth that. Whilst everyone is getting carried away with transfer fees, its for attacking players. Attacking players have always commanded the big fees and the big salaries, and for good reason. There are 50-100 diers playing centre back in Europe. There arent 50-100 Kanes, Mbapps, Lukakus etc etc. More like 10.

 

[WiganSpur]

No CB is worth that. Whilst everyone is getting carried away with transfer fees, its for attacking players. Attacking players have always commanded the big fees and the big salaries, and for good reason. There are 50-100 diers playing centre back in Europe. There arent 50-100 Kanes, Mbapps, Lukakus etc etc. More like 10.

Yeah, I guess what i'm getting at is he would be more valuable to another club than to us, because we already have 3 excellent centre backs and Foyth too.

It's a strange situation with Dier tbh. We don't know what's going to happen with Wanyama yet, but if he comes back as fit as ever then that renders Dier as a backup player for me. The only way I could see him fitting in is rotating with players both in the CB and CM roles, without holding down a permanent spot in the side. Is he going to be happy with that? I doubt it.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Who bumped this bloody thread.

Knee jerking all over the shop.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Fuck my life it's as if BC's indoctrination bullshit has seeped through. We lost because the whole team came out second half assuming the game was already won. Vorm, Alderweireld, Foyth variously at fault for goals. Alli cocking up at least two counters by holding on to the ball too long. Sissoko returning to last season's Sissoko after scoring and not being on the same plane of thought as the likes of Son. Putting crosses in once Llorente had been subbed and there was no one to get on the end of them. The sole addition of Wanyama to tonight's game (the good Wanyama at that, not the dreadful version of games like Monaco away last season) wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference to the collective effort, or lack thereof of that second half.

Pochettino must have bought into my indoctrination bullshit too because he said he sees Dier as a CB not a CM.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

1) He isnt worth 60 million pound not in any market. Very few defensive players are.

2) The question, before Wanyama missed half a season, and having bought a better centre half, was , can we afford to turn down 60m for effectively a utility sub.

So, I would say the only stupidity would be failing to grasp those very valid arguements.

And given he has been poor to mediocre in all bar one game he has played in midfield this season, the argument still stands today.

We, as a football club, cannot afford to have 60m pound average utility players.

Lol people said he would be a utility player last season and he started nearly every game.

 

[Bobbins]

Fuck my life it's as if BC's indoctrination bullshit

Also known as: having a different opinion. Which is actually allowed.

 

[swarvsta]

is this knee jerky? I started the OP 3 months ago. He did a dcent job first season vastly eclipsed by Wanyama. He did a decent job 2nd season except for when he played in midfield with Wanyama which culminated in 1 win in 7 (october 16)

We lacked pace at the back though, and Sanchez is looking great.

But yeah, knee jerk, well done

Wanyama only joined last season. So how have Dier and Wanyama had two seasons together? FFS.

 

[Anurag Jo]

True, but the question still stands. Is he capable of keeping his CM spot when Wanyama comes back?

Yes.