Last Bit of UEFA Chat

[mkkid]

It was all over the North West News last night. It shown one policeman getting absolutely battered by about 20 fans, stamped on & everything, he was lucky to walk away with only bruising. Absolute disgrace. There was a bloke on from the Manchester City Council who was saying how much they'd organised for the fans etc, also warning fans with no tickets not to turn up. They even organised shuttle buses (at very short notice) to take thousands of fans to another area of the City so they could watch another TV.
I also saw on the News this morning that the police in Moscow have stepped up as to stop this happening next week. Another downer against British football fans.

I cant argue about the tv footage but i been on the end of a police battering and there footage of Manchester police bantering fans last night.
I arrived in Manchester in the afternoon and it was heaving.
they simply werent prepared.
Therent` werent enough toliets,litter bins,We were drinking in the city centre and its was full,the fanzone were packed and overflowing.
My m8s without ticket watched the game through a pub window. Straight after the game,everything stopped,no beer,no entermainment everyone was on the streets.They shut down the train stations because of the amount of people.The trouble would have happened even if Rangers had won.Young men beer and sun,simply doesnt go.
Walking back to the Men arena,you notice most of the people attacking the police ,didnt have colours and for Rangers thats odd.

This would have happen anywhere and any sport event!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZn2x8TNJ0A&feature=related
Looks to me like they were giving it out too!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7402817.stm

 

[LSUY]

Young men beer and sun,simply doesnt go.

This would have happen anywhere and any sport event!

Sorry but it wouldn't happen at any sport event.

I've attended numerous different sporting events and I can safely say that it is mainly football fans that have a problem with beer.

Rugby and cricket fans drink as much, if not more but are still better behaved. During the rugby world cup when one of the fan screens broke the fans didn't resort to throwing bottles at the people trying to fix it.

 

[Yid-ol]

Rangers rans have been in trouble with Uefa alot this season, and last if i rememebr right! away legs in CL where fans pelt bus's with objects, songs that should never be sung and so on... Rangers fans are one of the worst sets of fans i have seen! there are a alot of decent rangers fans dont get me wrong.

I really hope they get the booked thrown at them so they can finaly start seeing that they can no logner get away with there thugish behaviour

 

[mkkid]

Rangers rans have been in trouble with Uefa alot this season, and last if i rememebr right! away legs in CL where fans pelt bus's with objects, songs that should never be sung and so on... Rangers fans are one of the worst sets of fans i have seen! there are a alot of decent rangers fans dont get me wrong.

I really hope they get the booked thrown at them so they can finaly start seeing that they can no logner get away with there thugish behaviour

Yeah agree last 10 away games no arrests.

 

[Kevealis]

Rangers rans have been in trouble with Uefa alot this season, and last if i rememebr right! away legs in CL where fans pelt bus's with objects, songs that should never be sung and so on... Rangers fans are one of the worst sets of fans i have seen! there are a alot of decent rangers fans dont get me wrong.

I really hope they get the booked thrown at them so they can finaly start seeing that they can no logner get away with there thugish behaviour

absolute pish! Zero arrests all season so get your facts straight before making outragous claims.

Chelsea, Millwall and West Ham thugs were all up for the game. Ive got a clip from manchester the next day with a guy reporting on the riots when suddenly a guy walks up behind him and starts shouting "Chelsea!" over and over. They WERE there. Also heard that Man Utd fans were there for a fight with Chelsea but i cant confirm that.

Im not in any way trying to justify the scenes, but Im extremely offended by some of the posts in this thread. I was there and I seen what happened. If you watch the vids from during the day, its a sea of blue. The riots were full of people with no colours. And everything was started by 4 guys without colours throwing bottles at a group of rangers fans standing on a booth trying to geta view of a big screen (came out today in the Manchester Evening News). There were quite a few rangers fans involved and i hope they all fuck off and never soil the name of the club again, but there were plenty of others there purely to cause trouble.

Lets also remember that these nasty rangers took down almost 200,000 fans, yet only an approx 200 were involved in the trouble. So approx 199,800 people went down and were fantastic. So next time you want to make a generalisation, stop and look at the figures.

 

[Kevealis]

Please, if anyone recognises any of these people can you PM me their names etc. Ovo i doubt anybody will, but theres an outside chance someone might recognise some well know chelsea scum or something like that. We arent gonna let the minority ruin a fantastic event for rangers football club and the fans aim to get as many people as possible who were involved in the troubles prosecuted.

Like ive said, almost all the true rangers fans there were wearing colours or at least supporters club t-shirts etc. Very very few werent in colours and the pictures from the day back that up.

 

[Netty]

I've seen even more footage tonight, also my mum's boyfriend is a Manchester City policeman (who was there at the time) & the stuff I've heard (ok, he's slightly biased), it was an absolute disgrace. No excuses.

 

[TheChosenOne]

The whitewash has begun.

The powers that be, in Scotland were in denial of any wrongdoing
last night, until cctv proved different.

The cover up begins, it sounds like a Nu-Lab government squirming
and turning and repudiating facts with flannel and bullshit.

Provocation and victimisation.

 

[ScotBear]

Look at the pictures of genuine Rangers fans pre-kick off. Up to 200,000 in the city of Manchester, the overwhelming majority were praised and a credit to the club, and notice the fact that it's a sea of blue.




Compare that to the images posted above. Where are our fans ? Where are the strips and colours ? Also, look at the footage the media keep showing of a crowd chasing the police through the streets......and play a game of 'spot the Rangers strip'. You won't be very successful.

This was a showpiece game that was easy access for organised thugs and other scum elements to come down for the party. They don't care about the football, they just wanted the booze and a fight, and so they attached themselves to our support for the day.

We've had 19 european matches this season. Before the final, we had been on 9 away trips to the likes of Serbia, France, Germany, Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy.......and suffered no arrests and no reports of violent behaviour. That's what happens when it's genuine Rangers fans supporting the side. But in a situation where idiotic scum were able to come along for the ride, without the need for passports, flights, accomodation, or high expenses........the potential for trouble makers to turn up was always there unfortunately.

I hope that the police, along with help from our club, fans and others who have seen these pictures up and down the country........manage to identify these idiots.

But again, I'd emphasise that these are not true Rangers fans. The true Rangers fans are the ones that have supported their team all season without any action having to be taken against them. And the true Rangers fans are the 150,000-200,000 that came down for a party and had a great time. A group of 200 people out of 200,000 rioting does not represent the fans of Rangers Football Club.

 

[Kevealis]

The whitewash has begun.

The powers that be, in Scotland were in denial of any wrongdoing
last night, until cctv proved different.

The cover up begins, it sounds like a Nu-Lab government squirming
and turning and repudiating facts with flannel and bullshit.

Provocation and victimisation.

Sorry, who was in denial of any wrong doing? Ive heard nothing but condemnation of the actions. Or are you just gonna make more claims with no backup?

And the coverup? Dont talk pish mate!

 

[LSUY]

Sorry, who was in denial of any wrong doing? Ive heard nothing but condemnation of the actions.

The Scottish Conservative deputy leader Murdo Fraser blamed the police saying that they inflamed the situation by deploying riot police. However, once he saw the CCTV footage he backtracked and condemned the attacks on police officers and paramedics.

 

[Kevealis]

The Scottish Conservative deputy leader Murdo Fraser blamed the police saying that they inflamed the situation by deploying riot police. However, once he saw the CCTV footage he backtracked and condemned the attacks on police officers and paramedics.

but maintained that riot police inflamed the situation and his call for an enquiry still stood. Everybody is condemning the attacks.

As an aside, Murdo Fraser is a prick anyway :rofl:

 

[TheChosenOne]

The Scottish Conservative deputy leader Murdo Fraser blamed the police saying that they inflamed the situation by deploying riot police. However, once he saw the CCTV footage he backtracked and condemned the attacks on police officers and paramedics.

Exactly.

I saw this statement from the cozzer who took a kicking....
It is relevant..

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1316277,00.html

thank gawd for that.

 

[TheChosenOne]

This was the bit that made me glad humans still live on this planet....

The officer managed to get up off the ground and ran away from the crowd when he came across two more Rangers fans.

"One of them shouted at me saying 'I'm British Army, I'm a medic'. He grabbed me by the collar and he propelled me up the street.

"Then one of our vans came round the corner. He threw me in the back of it and off he went. Thank God."

 

[bomberH]

I have to agree to a certain extent with our Scottish contingent here in that 200 out of 200,000 is a very small minority. What i don't believe however, is that these hooligans were from other clubs who saw the chance of a freebie fight. I guess more will come to light in the near future, but we'll see how many arrested are Rangers season ticket holders.

The other argument is that if we got into a final would the same thing happen? Would we take 200k ticketless to a city abroad? Would some of our fans riot if the screen went down? Are there complete twats amongst us that love a fight? Can anyone say No to any of those? Doubt it, until it happens.

I must admit i can't say i trust us completely... but i'd genuinely like to think we wouldn't get in that situation, especially attacking the police like that. The fights are usually between rival supporters but there weren't any so they had to take it out on police. The last time it went off 'big time' in England actually against the police was Millwall Birmingham where the fans rolled dustbins in the road so the police horses fell over them, killing and injuring most of them. That was nice.

 

[Yid-ol]

absolute pish! Zero arrests all season so get your facts straight before making outragous claims.

Chelsea, Millwall and West Ham thugs were all up for the game. Ive got a clip from manchester the next day with a guy reporting on the riots when suddenly a guy walks up behind him and starts shouting "Chelsea!" over and over. They WERE there. Also heard that Man Utd fans were there for a fight with Chelsea but i cant confirm that.

Im not in any way trying to justify the scenes, but Im extremely offended by some of the posts in this thread. I was there and I seen what happened. If you watch the vids from during the day, its a sea of blue. The riots were full of people with no colours. And everything was started by 4 guys without colours throwing bottles at a group of rangers fans standing on a booth trying to geta view of a big screen (came out today in the Manchester Evening News). There were quite a few rangers fans involved and i hope they all fuck off and never soil the name of the club again, but there were plenty of others there purely to cause trouble.

Lets also remember that these nasty rangers took down almost 200,000 fans, yet only an approx 200 were involved in the trouble. So approx 199,800 people went down and were fantastic. So next time you want to make a generalisation, stop and look at the figures.

well they have had fans arested, not uefa cup but i have hear there was a stabbing before an old firm game that the news wasnt made too aware off and was pushed aside. i did make amistake thinking they were in more trouble this season than they were with uefa, it was last year with tere racist chants and throwing objects at coaches.

i make a generalistic remak because i have been to ibrox enough time to see how the fans react in ibrox and to other teams and fans, i dont make it just on this game.... rangers fans are some of the wrost i have ever seen as suporters.

Yeah agree last 10 away games no arrests.

well done, that must be a great achevment for rangers :clap: though rangers normaly get fans thrown out of most football grounds in scotland so i ant even see this showing the truth too much, maybe 0 arrests, but the police will have had to step in

 

[Yid-ol]

I have to agree to a certain extent with our Scottish contingent here in that 200 out of 200,000 is a very small minority. What i don't believe however, is that these hooligans were from other clubs who saw the chance of a freebie fight. I guess more will come to light in the near future, but we'll see how many arrested are Rangers season ticket holders.

The other argument is that if we got into a final would the same thing happen? Would we take 200k ticketless to a city abroad? Would some of our fans riot if the screen went down? Are there complete twats amongst us that love a fight? Can anyone say No to any of those? Doubt it, until it happens.

I must admit i can't say i trust us completely... but i'd genuinely like to think we wouldn't get in that situation, especially attacking the police like that. The fights are usually between rival supporters but there weren't any so they had to take it out on police. The last time it went off 'big time' in England actually against the police was Millwall Birmingham where the fans rolled dustbins in the road so the police horses fell over them, killing and injuring most of them. That was nice.

i would agree, if i could belive it was just 200, with all the goings on from the minor things like throwing bottles at screens and police to the full riots, there must have been easly over 200, even from pictures shown there looks like there could be over that

as i said before, i know some great rangers fans who go to games, but when i have been to ibrox a fai few fans act like they are thugs and rule the roost there (and away games) it doesnt suprise me that rangers fans have done this, even if its a minority!

 

[deathtoarsenal]

200 badly behaved fans my arse. Don't believe 200,000 fans made the trip either. Probably half that.

The argument that all the trouble was caused by fans not wearing blue is bollocks. There were plenty of Rangers fans involved on clips and pictures that I've seen.

Interesting that someone mentioned Chelsea fans. Don't the two clubs have strong links? Probably because they both have scum fans.

 

[ScotBear]

Yid-ol, I really don't think you have a clue what you're talking about ! The throwing stuff at coaches incident was Celtic fans with the media coaches, a season or two ago. And I'm not even interested in condemning Celtic fans for that, it was a minor incident and would be a petty point to dwell on.

As for Rangers fans get thrown out of most grounds in Scotland......what are you on about ? What instances of that has there been this season ? I don't doubt the odd idiot might get thrown out now and again, not that I've seen this season though, for being drunk or whatever.......but you make it as if it's some kind of high profile regular occurrance. You've blatently just pulled that line out from where the sun don't shine

As for a 'racist' song.......'sectarian' is actually the proper phrase. It involves the use of the word 'fenian' in a song that has been sung for generations. The actual meaning of this word is to do with mainland terrorism and those that support it, something that was a serious problem for the UK in times gone by. The word is still used all over the world in it's proper context today. However, in the west of Scotland and in Ireland, the word began to be used as a derogotary term. 'Fenian b*stard' being aimed at people. Like the word 'gay', for example, the meaning of the word changed through time, became misinterpreted and offensive. So it reached the point where change had to be made. The club and fans have worked very hard, and there has been an instant reaction. You don't hear it being sung at our games at all now, the change has been almost overnight. That was the key issue. There were also some fans that indulged in singing 'F*ck the pope and the IRA' on occassion. The latter, although not exactly relevant at a football game, I have no problem with, particularly when Celtic fans are regularly singing about their support for them which I find awful. The former I can see why it would be offensive. Although, we know that the former involves himself in some very controversial political viewpoints, but still, I don't think a lot of the fans were concerning themselves with the political issues when chanting it unfortunately. But again, it's been eradicated.

Also, for the guy that said he saw plently of blue in the clips he saw.......what clips were these ? In the clips where it's large groups of fans charging police, the rioters, there is barely any, if any, Rangers strips to be seen. All plain clothed thugs.

In the images where blue strips can be seen, it's where the police are wading through areas where the crowd have begun to disperse. Reports from journalists in the area state that the troublemakers, the plain clothed thugs, were trying to get a reaction from the police. When they did, the thugs retreated and then the police were wading through innocent crowds. There are reports of journalists having to run away holding their heads as police tried to baton them, kids being hit, women and elderly people running away. There is a video on youtube where a Rangers fan is just standing still with his mate, arms by his side, and a policeman runs up and batters him to the ground, before just moving on.

That isn't meant to be a go at the police, although I think some questions can be asked of their actions, but just to illustrate that a lot of innocent fans were caught up in the trouble, but in no way were being aggressive towards the police.

 

[ChRiStOpHe]

Yid-ol, I really don't think you have a clue what you're talking about ! The throwing stuff at coaches incident was Celtic fans with the media coaches, a season or two ago. And I'm not even interested in condemning Celtic fans for that, it was a minor incident and would be a petty point to dwell on.

I might be wrong, but I think Yid-ol is referring to Villarreal away in the Champions League run under Big Eck.