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Everlasting Seconds

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on the whole our static, unimaginative, predictable central midfield, has cost us far more this season IMO.
Sums up our season. SC user were even predicting this 12 months ago, so it's not like this issue came out of nowhere. I think our FBs in fact have had a highly acceptable season. Not a flawless one, but I'm adequately satisfied with them, Davies in particular.
 

Hercules

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As I have said mate, both full back positions could be upgraded. I'd far rather it was Aufier and Rose that went than Davies and Trippier.
As for the flanks being our weakness??? Maybe from a defensive POV but on the whole our static, unimaginative, predictable central midfield, has cost us far more this season IMO.
Take your point
 

BringBack_leGin

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Sorry mate but you can't just take one stat, especially not "assists" which is one of the most misleading and useless stats in football, and say that's proof Rose isn't that good afterall. What he did for us when he was fit etc. was not about how many assist stats he racked up.
Assists with fullback is far more telling than any other position on the pitch because for them to assist they either need to have worked themselves into a great position, delivered a great ball, or both, and given that strikers won’t score every good chance they get, to get high assist stats a full back needs to perform the aforementioned very regularly. Fullbacks are far less likely than midfielders and attacking midfielders to tap a 4 yard pass which the forward the blasts in from distance.
 

lukespurs7

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There is a significant difference when Rose is bombing up and down the flank vs. Davies trying to do the same. It's the exact same thing as Trippier. Sure Trippier probably has better assist numbers but does anyone really prefer him to Walker? Rose at full strength is exponentially a better player than Davies.
This. Assists are one thing but Rose/Walkers pace pushes teams back and they commit and beat men, Trippier and Davies do not.
 

lukespurs7

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Take your point
I think it’s both issues lads and a little bit Poch.
1st choice Full backs (trip and Davies) not dynamic enough with enough pace an ability to beat a man. Lamela, Alli and others don’t deliver often enough so we rely on Eriksen and Kane, and the way Poch has us playing is also a little to blame.

Sort these 3 things out an we may wins things.
 

tiger666

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I think it’s both issues lads and a little bit Poch.
1st choice Full backs (trip and Davies) not dynamic enough with enough pace an ability to beat a man. Lamela, Alli and others don’t deliver often enough so we rely on Eriksen and Kane, and the way Poch has us playing is also a little to blame.

Sort these 3 things out an we may wins things.

Dele has more assists, key passes, chances created this season than any other. He's joint 5th for assists in the league.
 

bubble07

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Walker and rose allowed transition from defense to attack quicker then with trippier and walker. Opposition hate pass and counter attacking breaks. Last season we have a perfecr blend with walker and a fit rose as first choice and trippier and davies as great back ups
 

yankspurs

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Walker and rose allowed transition from defense to attack quicker then with trippier and walker. Opposition hate pass and counter attacking breaks. Last season we have a perfecr blend with walker and a fit rose as first choice and trippier and davies as great back ups
And then the backups became first choice and seemingly some people want them to remain first choice. At this level, they are both good back ups. Could start for teams lower than us but to be where we want to, they should not be preferred. And Trippier should go this summer as he’s only blocking a really good FB who fits us far more.
 

WiganSpur

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Rose has lost pace, he's a worse player than he was last season. He also still misses too many games via injury.

Davies is a lot more reliable, i'd sell Rose and replace him with someone who was similar to how he was last season.
 

'O Zio

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Assists with fullback is far more telling than any other position on the pitch because for them to assist they either need to have worked themselves into a great position, delivered a great ball, or both, and given that strikers won’t score every good chance they get, to get high assist stats a full back needs to perform the aforementioned very regularly. Fullbacks are far less likely than midfielders and attacking midfielders to tap a 4 yard pass which the forward the blasts in from distance.

I'm sorry but the reason we were much better with Walker and Rose had nothing to do with how many assists they each generated. Having two genuinely top wingbacks with pace meant that other teams were pushed back, which helped the rest of the team to press, and the other team's defense were stretched wide, which made it harder for them to "park the bus" properly and opened up bigger spaces in the middle of the likes of Eriksen and Alli to exploit. Due to their speed they were also able to play very high up and provide options on the overlap and still be able to get back to defend as well.

The way Walker and Rose were made us very hard to play against and allowed the rest of the team to be more effective. I think both Davies and Trippier are decent fullbacks, but they're not even in the same league as Rose and Walker were as wingbacks and as a result we're much easier to play against and find it much harder to break teams down.

Just saying Rose didn't get many assists so we don't really miss him is so simplistic and misses the point entirely to be honest.
 

werty

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Assists with fullback is far more telling than any other position on the pitch because for them to assist they either need to have worked themselves into a great position, delivered a great ball, or both, and given that strikers won’t score every good chance they get, to get high assist stats a full back needs to perform the aforementioned very regularly. Fullbacks are far less likely than midfielders and attacking midfielders to tap a 4 yard pass which the forward the blasts in from distance.
You mean like Davies' pass for Eriksen's goal against Chelsea, or Kane's against Everton last year. I'm sure there's others that I can't think of. Full-backs, especially in our system, are no less likely to get an insignificant 4 yard pass to turn into an assist
 

werty

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Rose has lost pace, he's a worse player than he was last season. He also still misses too many games via injury.

Davies is a lot more reliable, i'd sell Rose and replace him with someone who was similar to how he was last season.
Similar to how Rose was last season? I'm sure it won't be too hard to find someone who was by far the best left back in the league.
 

C0YS

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I prefer both Trix! That is not really a difficult ask. At this rate, with that concept we won’t go far I don’t think. The modern game has changed. As someone (can’t remember who) said about Guardiola (Obvs spelt wrong). Think it was Henry. He likes fast in the mind and transition-players, who also have the speed. Combine both, and you are difficult to contain.

That should be our benchmark, and objective. Our flanks is our weakness. Respectful debate.
Who do you legitimately bring in though? There are really not that many top quality fullbacks around these days. There just arn't.
 

C0YS

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Similar to how Rose was last season? I'm sure it won't be too hard to find someone who was by far the best left back in the league.
Exactly, people seem to want simply unrealistic things, I mean there really arn't many amazing fullbacks out there. And I say this as someone who is sick of seeing Rose in the team. Mainly because his performances this season are arguably not even good enough for the league yet alone us and his attitude on the pitch, yet alone off it sucks. The other day the amount of appeals for none existent fouls when the ball was there to be played, and the just complete slowness to his play really makes me think his head is not in the right place. He needs a change we need a change lets move on. There still may be a player in there though, but..
 

WiganSpur

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As I have said mate, both full back positions could be upgraded. I'd far rather it was Aufier and Rose that went than Davies and Trippier.
As for the flanks being our weakness??? Maybe from a defensive POV but on the whole our static, unimaginative, predictable central midfield, has cost us far more this season IMO.
They're both weaknesses but central midfield is to a much greater extent and should be the priority.
 

Hercules

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Very interesting one indeed. I don’t think he will reach the levels of before, and with his suspect knees and ankles, can’t see how he will past a fitness test. Knowing him, he would rather stay than demote himself to Everton, or similar. Erm...
 

L-man

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God that would be absolutely hilarious if he went to Everton after giving it the big one about wanting to play with exciting, big names.
 
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