Ratings Vs West Ham

Discussion in 'Match Ratings Archive' started by Bulletspur, Aug 16, 2014.

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  1. Lloris

    78 vote(s)
    17.1%
  2. Naughton

    4 vote(s)
    0.9%
  3. Kaboul

    1 vote(s)
    0.2%
  4. Dier

    321 vote(s)
    70.4%
  5. Rose

    3 vote(s)
    0.7%
  6. Capoue

    25 vote(s)
    5.5%
  7. Bentaleb

    12 vote(s)
    2.6%
  8. Lamela

    2 vote(s)
    0.4%
  9. Erikssen

    2 vote(s)
    0.4%
  10. Lennon

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Adebayor

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Townsend

    5 vote(s)
    1.1%
  13. Holtby

    1 vote(s)
    0.2%
  14. Kane

    2 vote(s)
    0.4%
  1. nssmuckers

    nssmuckers Active Member

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    Bentaleb wasn't our best player, but he was a hell of a lot better than a lot of people here are capable of admitting.

    I feel like he could surpass Zidane and there would still be a sect of people who can't get over the "Sherwood's pet" idea.

    He is no longer being judged as a 19 year old who until last season hadn't played a minute of first-team football at any level. That is a testament to how comfortable he looks in this league.

    He is one of the best talents of his age group in the league, and hopefully he gets plenty of games this year. And not just throwaway Europa League bullshit in Kerplackistan; he is ready to progress in the Premier League.
     
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  2. Spurger King

    Spurger King can't smile without glue

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    It was very much what I was expecting, so I don't really agree with either the enthusiasm or negativity being shown on here. In general the performances were far from great, but this is a group of players that (for the most part) have gone from Harry's open, expressive but vague instructions, to AVB's suffocatingly deliberated micro-tactics, followed by Sherwood's wild stabs in the dark. Pochettino was always going to have a lot of work to do in order to adjust these players to his approach, and a few pre-season games was never going to suffice. It will take several more games before we see real signs of what he's trying to implement, because he's working with a group of players that have really been put through the tactical mill.

    Therefore it's no great surprise to me that the newbie had the best game. He wasn't shackled by any preconceptions of how we play, and was able to concentrate on what he was asked to (as well as being better placed to go with his own instincts in a way that proved to be crucial).

    There's going to be a period of adjustment of far greater difficulty than that experienced when AVB took over from Harry, for the very simple reason that AVB was tasked with fine-tuning a group of players that were already very comfortable with how they were playing, whereas Pochettino has to work with a team that has been all over the place for the last 12 months or so (Pochettino also took over a Southampton team that were already performing very well). Fortunately we have enough individual quality for that period of adjustment to not be too painful, but I wouldn't be expecting huge strides any time soon. The circumstances require patience, so I won't be dissecting the performances just yet.
     
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  3. whitelanefever

    whitelanefever Well-Known Member

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    That's a great post Spurger
     
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  4. leffe186

    leffe186 Well-Known Member

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    Dunno mate. I'm watching it for the first time right now, I'm up to 15 minutes and we're pissing it.
     
  5. leffe186

    leffe186 Well-Known Member

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    I'm watching it right now, we're up to 15 minutes, and we've been almost completely dominant.
     
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  6. leffe186

    leffe186 Well-Known Member

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    So far, first 20 minutes was pretty decent but very AVB - excellent possession, some nice attempts at attacking moves, some decent closing down, but barely a sniff of a chance. 70% possession at Upton Park in the first 20 minutes is just what you want. Then West Ham built up a head of steam for seven minutes, culminating in the sending-off.

    I just think people are being excessively negative, having watched the first half-hour without any pre-conceptions and without having to watch 30 minutes of 10 vs 11 away from home against the team that is arguably most up for beating us at their place. We've been OK so far.
     
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  7. Flashspur

    Flashspur Well-Known Member

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    Lloris 8 - was there when needed and made some excellent saves
    Naughton 6 - unlucky and wasn't doing too badly up to that point but took one for the team
    Dier 8.5 - solid debut, ran all day, marshalled the defence despite Kaboul's mistakes and took his goal well MOM
    Kaboul 5 - Very nervous, hesitated too much and made a number of poor decisions, looked shaky right through
    Rose 7.5 - he was pretty good but had a tough afternoon as West Ham targeted his side and Downings runs put him under pressure. Cant see Davies taking his place on this form.
    Capoue 7 - looked really good as CM in the first 15 minutes. Not as confident at CB but did the job required.
    Bentaleb 6 - Disappointing. He lost the ball very often in first half and consistently misplaced passes. Improved in the second half. Will be under pressure when Paulinho and Dembele return.
    Eriksen 5 - Poor game today. Wasn't able to produce much during the whole game. He needs to show up when we play the more robust teams.
    Lamela 6 - Gave the ball away needlessly in the 1st half. But was the only one pressing from the front. Big Sam had two players on him most of the time which made it difficult.
    Lennon 5.5 - contributed little again offensively.
    Adebayor 4.5 - awful first touch and looked disinterested and should have been replaced earlier.

    Townsend 6.5 - looked threatening when he came on. But he needs to get behind the defender and improve his crossing.
    Holtby 6 - Did okay.
    Kane 6.5 - Harry didn't set the world alight but played a beautiful pass to Dier for the goal.
     
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  8. Redfap

    Redfap Active Member

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    This year I'm avoiding SC during the game. I haven't read the match thread but reading a few posts on here it appears to have been very negative.

    Personally, and this is just my view, I thought it was a terrific win in difficult circumstances. It was a hostile start to the season, away to West Ham who had the wood over us last year, with some new signings eager to impress and a manager eager to prove he deserves the gig. I also feel we are a bit underdone, still learning and adapting under a new manager. I was always going to be happy with a point from this one.

    What impressed me the most was the way we simply hung in there. Sure, we were out played in the first half, even before going to ten men, but unlike many times last year, we stuck it out, kept our heads held high and battled through. We did enough to keep a clean sheet with Lloris in typically enigmatic form. We started to control the game in the 2nd half even before Collins was correctly sent off. We didn't back away and hope for a draw we pushed them right to the end and got a result via a great team goal. Kane's clever little ball to a fantastic effort by Dier. A defender rounding the keeper, very nice!

    I would also like to add that the 3 a day training sessions must have worked because we looked fit and finished strongly against a tiring west Ham, despite playing more than 60mins with just 10 men. I think we might score a lot of goals in the 80min+ range this season.

    All in all, it was for mine, always a very tough fixture and to keep a clean sheet and get the points was a great effort.

    COYS
     
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  9. spud

    spud Well-Known Member

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    I see that somebody has given Rose a MoM vote. Must be a closet West Ham fan. Rose made Downing look world class. I may have missed one, but I can't recall him stopping a single cross, or forcing Downing to backtrack and lay the ball off. Still, at least he was in position today; although I don't suppose it matters if all he is going to do is give a passable impression of being a hologram.
     
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  10. Conando

    Conando Active Member

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    I was most pleased with the lack of abject capitulation that has become our forte in recent years, as soon as we go down to 10!
     
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  11. dondo

    dondo Well-Known Member

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    Yes the players you mentioned were poor too I never said they wasn't but capoue was still poor and part of the reason we were so bad in the 1st half
     
  12. Gilzeanking

    Gilzeanking Well-Known Member

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    Firstly , a great feeling to win . We're all fans and the thrill of that winning goal is what we live for...wonderful.

    However , as some of the more grounded posters here have noticed , chance is a very underestimated factor and surviving a pen and many other solid goalscoring opportunities for the Spammers involved a shedload of luck for us .

    The first 15 mins was ok (tho no chances were created by us) but then , by anyone's measure we were truly battered til the pen . We couldn't get a head onto their crosses that were sailing in (our full backs ??) . The repeat viewers here could possibly work out Dier's (7)part in this dealing-with-crosses failure ,I couldn't say if he was at fault with his marking etc.

    So weird that the pen miss/going down to 10 men seemed to stem the fury of the Spammer attacks , mebbe they thought 'We've got this' and relaxed . Good fortune stayed with us thankfully .

    Lamela (5.5) . Not sure I've seen a more one footed player in our colours . This is a tragic problem for a close control dribbler . The defenders stand in front of him and a little to the left , they know he has to go that way , it makes him very predictable and blunts his effectiveness. As his trainer I'd force him to do an extra hour after training working exclusively on right foot use . Always baffles me that these multimillionaires won't work on truly obvious flaws like this .Its just sodding practice . Too comfortable I suppose . Two footedness was everywhere when I played at a way lower level ...its so fucking basic :banghead: Lamela has balance and intelligence ,what a waste that he's SO predictable .

    Thought it was telling that Kane (7) got the sub nod ahead of Soldado . Why people think Soldado is going to suddenly play much better than last season I don't fully understand . Right decision by Poch (6.5)

    Eriksen (5.5) seemed to have no appetite for the game . I find this worrying . The prem seems a little physical for him sometimes . He's very talented but no battler .

    Lloris MoM (8)

    Hopefully Poch can establish some more coherence in our play and pressing . He'll have learned a lot from this match.
    ATM it doesn't look a whole lot different to last season . Go Poch :finger:
     
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  13. bigpalacios

    bigpalacios Well-Known Member

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    LLoris - Is the fucking man

    Naughton- Tried to impersonate Lloris

    Kaboul- Shocking

    Danny Dyer-Proper naughty little geezer

    Rose- Ok, lets crosses get in too easily

    Capoue- Did his best once shifted to cb

    Bentaleb- Started to look decent once it was 10 v 10.

    Eriksen- Poor

    Lamela- Still not happening for him but it will come.

    Lennon- Wasnt in the game

    Adebayor- Didnt look fit.

    Townsend- Had a positive impact on the game

    Holtby - Busy

    Kane- Lovely assist.

    Tony Gale- Twat
     
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  14. danielneeds

    danielneeds Kick-Ass

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    Dunno if it matters but someone on a Yid Facebook group translated a Danish interview with Eriksen post-match where he says that the West Ham pitch was bone dry and bobbly and that he and the other players were surprised at how badly it was playing, and they struggled to put together their passing game. Just the sort of tactic Big Sam loves to try and unsettle us with.

    You put that together with being down to 10 for an hour, let's cut them some slack and wait and see what they serve up in the next one.
     
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  15. kitchen

    kitchen Well-Known Member

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    There's no taking away from the fact that that was a poor performance from us. We defended reasonably well, but West Ham didn't take their chances, and when ours came Eric stepped up.

    We didn't keep possession well, we didn't press well, and we only created about one good goalscoring opportunity in 90 minutes. A draw would have been a fair result.

    The silver lining for me is that, worse opposition or not, our pre-season performances were much better. We saw the high press, we saw the quick one-touch passing, we carved the openings. We saw the system being implemented.

    I'm not sure what happened yesterday. But I'll assume it was a blip rather than a step backwards, and I'm certain that the good performances are on their way. I'll happily take blips that have us leaving the game with 3 points!
     
  16. ShayLaB

    ShayLaB Well-Known Member

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    If Ade was as unwell over the summer as we gave been told it is not surprising how was off the pace.

    I can understand why we didn't start with Kane (having an experienced player up front for an awkward away game) but the fact that Soldado didn't get a look in is very disappointing. It means we now have a third successive manager who doesn't seem to have full faith in him to perform in this league.

    I know it's early but it's not a great sign.
     
  17. Sp3akerboxxx

    Sp3akerboxxx Adoption: Nabil Bentaleb

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    Spam for asking a question @Flobadob ?
     
  18. crokey

    crokey Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Eriksen can start the next game. Been poor in preseason and was poor yesterday.
     
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  19. mark_2017

    mark_2017 Well-Known Member

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    Read the rest of the sentence and not just the bit you've bolded.
     
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  20. Beni

    Beni Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, Adebayor likes to hold onto the ball (although he couldn't hold anything up yesterday) and this slows the play, where as Soldado likes to play one touch passes round the corner to get in behind.

    Playing against a team like West Ham, who sit back, our play in the final 3rd needs to be quick to get in behind, and Soldado yesterday would have been best suited.
     
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