Should England & Scotland be allowed to wear poppies?

[nailsy]

I just laughed my nuts off mate with that typo. The remembrance poopy, a smell you'll never forget.

I should probably correct it, but it's too good to fix.

 

[Lilbaz]

The poopy itself is a symbol of rememberence in various countries, but the ones sold by the British legion are specifically for our nations soldiers.

The money goes to current and former british personell. Which i totally understand if people don't want it to go to them. But the poppy is meant to be a symbol for all soldiers in all wars. It wasn't started by the british legion and shouldn't end with them.

At the end of the day it is personal choice. Wear one or don't. If you don't fair enough, there shouldn't be pressure or anger if you don't. But fifa saying england players can't wear one is wrong.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

When did all this start? All my life football teams never wore poppies on their shirts and nobody expected them to, mind you those people who never expected them to were just the generations that fought in the two world wars so what would they know?
Wearing the poppy should be a personal thing not an organizational parade.
For the record I am wearing my poppy as I write, I don't wear it as a badge of honour I wear it as a mark of respect to those men and women for whom it is a badge of honour and to mourn their death.
Too many people these days don't get that but then again too many people seem to think its all about them.

where have you been??

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=e...KEwjkpdzp3o7QAhXLKMAKHRwjDI0Q_AUIBygC#imgrc=_

 

[worcestersauce]

where have you been??

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=england football shirt poppy&espv=2&biw=1408&bih=930&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkpdzp3o7QAhXLKMAKHRwjDI0Q_AUIBygC#imgrc=_

I'm sixty years old, this is a new thing as far as I'm concerned.

 

[widmerpool]

FIFA is a basket case, but their ruling is perfectly sensible. Poppies are the thin end of a wedge which ends with teams agreeing to commemorate Naksa Day. A blanket moratorium on political display is the only way to make international football possible.

The whining from the FA - and May giving them air cover - is the sort of arrogant British exceptionalism that led to Brexit.

Late to the thread, apologies if this point has been made a dozen times already.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

FIFA is a basket case, but their ruling is perfectly sensible. Poppies are the thin end of a wedge which ends with teams agreeing to commemorate Naksa Day. A blanket moratorium on political display is the only way to make international football possible.

The whining from the FA - and May giving them air cover - is the sort of arrogant British exceptionalism that led to Brexit.

Late to the thread, apologies if this point has been made a dozen times already.

This sort of thing isn't unique to Britain. As I said on the previous page, Ireland are commemorating the 1916 uprising on their shirts. I'd argue that was majorly political. So ban it FIFA, but ban all political / socio- political gestures. Or don't.

The poppy has become far too sensitive an issue. It's no one's concern if another person is wearing one or not. Never used to be such a sore subject. My Grandad never mentioned it or pushed the agenda. As per @worcestersauce I think its a relatively new pressure / thing, particularly in footy.

 

[widmerpool]

This sort of thing isn't unique to Britain. As I said on the previous page, Ireland are commemorating the 1916 uprising on their shirts. I'd argue that was majorly political. So ban it FIFA, but ban all political / socio- political gestures. Or don't.

FIFA's disciplinary committee are about to sanction them, apparently.

 

[Dougal]

Cheers lads...

 

[worcestersauce]

This sort of thing isn't unique to Britain. As I said on the previous page, Ireland are commemorating the 1916 uprising on their shirts. I'd argue that was majorly political. So ban it FIFA, but ban all political / socio- political gestures. Or don't.

The poppy has become far too sensitive an issue. It's no one's concern if another person is wearing one or not. Never used to be such a sore subject. My Grandad never mentioned it or pushed the agenda. As per @worcestersauce I think its a relatively new pressure / thing, particularly in footy.

I think if England had always worn poppies then I doubt FIFA would stop them, they'd recognized a special case.
As for what you say about Ireland commemorating the easter uprising, I would be appalled if FIFA allow that, it's absolutely against the political rule, particularly when it seems to be Irish people that object to the poppy.
Double standards.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

I think if England had always worn poppies then I doubt FIFA would stop them, they'd recognized a special case.
As for what you say about Ireland commemorating the easter uprising, I would be appalled if FIFA allow that, it's absolutely against the political rule, particularly when it seems to be Irish people that object to the poppy.
Double standards.

@Dougal

I think, as the post by Widmerpool suggests, they will.have to stop it. Or try. As it would be double standards. But then permitting the poppy and not permitting the uprising commemoration would also be, potentially double standards. Albeit you could argue they are entirely different political statements.

The players can wear them before and after, the crowds can wave them about and dress up.as them. But perhaps it is a level playing field to carpet ban it all.

Where does it start and stop?

I just don't like FIFA, so I hope the British players come out as giant poppies and the Irish come out in a 1916 formation with neon lights.

 

[Dougal]

@Dougal

I think, as the post by Widmerpool suggests, they will.have to stop it. Or try. As it would be double standards. But then permitting the poppy and not permitting the uprising commemoration would also be, potentially double standards. Albeit you could argue they are entirely different political statements.

The players can wear them before and after, the crowds can wave them about and dress up.as them. But perhaps it is a level playing field to carpet ban it all.

Where does it start and stop?

I just don't like FIFA, so I hope the British players come out as giant poppies and the Irish come out in a 1916 formation with neon lights.

What did I say against the poppy? My first action in this thread was today because you lot dragged the Irish into it!

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

What did I say against the poppy? My first action in this thread was today because you lot dragged the Irish into it!

You didn't. Didn't intend to imply you had, i was trying to bait you into witty retorts, but i should have known you'd see through it.

Not meant to be anti anything btw, it was just drawing the comparison.

 

[Dougal]

You didn't. Didn't intend to imply you had, i was trying to bait you into witty retorts, but i should have known you'd see through it.

Not meant to be anti anything btw, it was just drawing the comparison.

Sounds like you are struggling to master baiting...

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Sounds like you are struggling to master baiting...

Yes indeed. Need an 'up rising' of my own.

 

[Dougal]

To be honest I read the opening post in this thread and decided people had made their minds up on the issue and I couldn't be bothered playing Devil's advocate.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

To be honest I read the opening post in this thread and decided people had made their minds up on the issue and I couldn't be bothered playing Devil's advocate.

Thought I'd wait to page 6, when everyone has lost interest and disappeared. Safer that way.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37872020

 

[max cady]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37872020

Disappointing a case of closing the stable door when the horse has already bolted. Or do they have to be seen to act on that MP's comments.

 

[Wellspurs]

I think if England had always worn poppies then I doubt FIFA would stop them, they'd recognized a special case.
As for what you say about Ireland commemorating the easter uprising, I would be appalled if FIFA allow that, it's absolutely against the political rule, particularly when it seems to be Irish people that object to the poppy.
Double standards.

The Beatles mention "A pretty nurse selling poppies from a tray" in Penny Lane but I bet the Irish don't have any songs about The Easter Uprising?

 

[ExpatFan]

The Beatles mention "A pretty nurse selling poppies from a tray" in Penny Lane but I bet the Irish don't have any songs about The Easter Uprising?[/QUOTE]
Can't work out if you're being ironic or moronic!