The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 31 July 2011

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Indeed.

We also need to shrewd, picking the right player with the right attributes. This guy for Hamburg I havn't seen much of but he looks handy alright.

I'm hoping that the powers that be have the abilities to get us the right players. Who knows though?!

But then when they get big they leave anyway like Berb

Well, we got lucky with Berbatov in many ways. We took a chance on him, but we weren't really ready for him. Our strikeforce then was top notch, him and Keano, but the rest of the team was dire. Now it's the other way round! We're ready for a strikeforce that matches Berbatov and Keane! If only we had those two circa 2006ish on the end of our team now, hey?!

And sure, even if we make it to the top some players may want to leave. But that happens to Man Utd and Arsenal too. Look at Cristiano Ronaldo? He was at United, one of the best clubs in the world, and still he forced a move to Real Madrid.

Arsenal - well, Fabregas wants to go. Whether he will or not, I dunno.

People move on. The trick is to roll with the punches. You don't think Fergie's complaining about players who've left over the years? He's built dozens of teams and consistently won stuff! He doesn't hanker after players who have left.

 

[kdspur]

Absolutely! And Dawson, Huddlestone, Lennon, Sandro, BAE, the list goes on!

We can't compete for the Upper Echelon players, we have to make our own. There's nothing wrong with that, we're still reaching for the top, we haven't made it yet. One season in the Champions League doesn't give us the pull of a Barcelona or a Real Madrid...

But our expectations have, rightly or wrongly, been raised by our recent steps in the right direction. So now we want it all. I guess it's the nature of the WANT IT NOW society we live in. Patience is now something we're blessed with in abundance!

Yes. but what do u do now? do u but or try to take a punt on a striker u think might be great or has the potential to be great or do u try n go out and get the finsihed article that will take your good team to next level and MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE. thats what is about for me now. players who can come in and improve team and bring us up notch and not some player who puts in a one in 3 or 4 games.

 

[trasores]

Rather than leave it to the last minute and sign nobody we should aim for good forwards with potential that can improve the team... Ola Toivonen, Óscar Cardozo, Lisandro López. players that would improve the squad.

 

[Mr Pink]

just read harrys latest about players wages etc and reading between lines does not bode well at all. Nothing we did not know before but still failry depressing reading with less than 2 weeks now to start of season.Not the positivity players and fans want to hear but that the reality of it.

Yeah so did I mate and have started a thread in Spurs chat...come on over :wink:

 

[DiamondLites]

I like Osvaldo as a dark horse purchase. Not many seem to agree though. I happen to think he'd potentially take the PL by storm, with his blend of pace, work rate, first touch/skill and decent strength. He'd enjoy the open spaces of our league..

Absolutely, he reminds me of a young Hernan Crespo. He could come over here and have a Berbatov type impact. I think Vucinic could have done the same, but the draw of the old lady was too much for him

 

[kdspur]

Yeah so did I mate and have started a thread in Spurs chat...come on over :wink:

i dread too depressed reading his comments again. obviously knocked back a few times already reading that in chasing players

 

[StartingPrice]

Interesting trend seems to be occurring.
Both players linked for up front have a strong link to VdV.
Do you think someone's asking his opinion on who he'd like to link up with?
Just a thought.

If our main problem last season was that our strikers couldn't adjust to playing with VDV, and 4-5-1 is the future, it may not be too bad an idea to consult him on players he knows he can play with who may be available.

Might also be a sign of his commitment, which isn't a bad thing. May een strengthen that commitment if we include him in the process, a bit.

Yes! This, in a nutshell, is what I'm trying to say.

We need to discover the Agueros, Falcaos, Hulks, etc, before they make it to a level where they think they're too good/big for us.

ie Modric and Bale...

^^^ This is the thing, though, WLWH, we are doing that - we have been working on it for quite some time, and (if you'll forgive me saying it) but your posts seems to imply that you don't know we are, adn you hit on a wonderful idea (no offence intended). Our problem is that at this precise moment we pretty much need a fully formed, top level striker. Identifying young ones now isn't going to solve that; none of the strikers we have or are aimng to bring in, that fit your criteria, are going to solve it; even identifying it as the long-term solution (pretending for a moment that we haven't invested a great deal of time and energy into it already) isn't going to resolve it. Because we need a top level striker who can hit the ground running and doesn't require any development right now.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Yes. but what do u do now? do u but or try to take a punt on a striker u think might be great or has the potential to be great or do u try n go out and get the finsihed article that will take your good team to next level and MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE. thats what is about for me now. players who can come in and improve team and bring us up notch and not some player who puts in a one in 3 or 4 games.

Do we have £150k-£200k a week to get an Aguero type striker? The answer, I'm afraid, is no.

 

[kdspur]

Do we have £150k-£200k a week to get an Aguero type striker? The answer, I'm afraid, is no.

well that type of striker is obviously out but im talking about maybe a player who wants a 100k a week. shoudl we go for him or try to offer player that kind of wage. We are not even doing that and that does not get u the top end of strikers.

Personally i have given up on what spurs might do striker wise. gave up long time ago . I want harry to sort out central midfield more and get center half in to be honest. making us real strong in those positions is just as crucial and even more so in that we are carrying a few injuries with not many players getting game time

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

^^^ This is the thing, though, WLWH, we are doing that - we have been working on it for quite some time, and (if you'll forgive me saying it) but your posts seems to imply that you don't know we are, adn you hit on a wonderful idea (no offence intended). Our problem is that at this precise moment we pretty much need a fully formed, top level striker. Identifying young ones now isn't going to solve that; none of the strikers we have or are aimng to bring in, that fit your criteria, are going to solve it; even identifying it as the long-term solution (pretending for a moment that we haven't invested a great deal of time and energy into it already) isn't going to resolve it. Because we need a top level striker who can hit the ground running and doesn't require any development right now.

No offence taken, first off.

And I don't know if we have the money to pull off signing a fully formed, top level striker. Those players such as Aguero, Tevez, Eto'o, etc, cost a fuck load of money up front (£30m+) and then £200k a week wages. Everything we know about our football club suggests we're not gonna do that. So what then?

I would like to think we could get a Vucinic, or whoever (they're a slight step down from the Eto'os, of this world, but excellent in their own right) but there's always some other bastards out there who could offer better. What do we do then? We're not gonna suddenly start spending £100k per week for player wages, not at this stage. So we're stuck.

Do we, in that case, just stick with what we've got and hope for the best? I hope not.

 

[Hot-Spur]

If nothing happens this week then my belief may start to waver

 

[Mr Pink]

If our main problem last season was that our strikers couldn't adjust to playing with VDV, and 4-5-1 is the future, it may not be too bad an idea to consult him on players he knows he can play with who may be available.

Might also be a sign of his commitment, which isn't a bad thing. May een strengthen that commitment if we include him in the process, a bit.





^^^ This is the thing, though, WLWH, we are doing that - we have been working on it for quite some time, and (if you'll forgive me saying it) but your posts seems to imply that you don't know we are, adn you hit on a wonderful idea (no offence intended). Our problem is that at this precise moment we pretty much need a fully formed, top level striker. Identifying young ones now isn't going to solve that; none of the strikers we have or are aimng to bring in, that fit your criteria, are going to solve it; even identifying it as the long-term solution (pretending for a moment that we haven't invested a great deal of time and energy into it already) isn't going to resolve it. Because we need a top level striker who can hit the ground running and doesn't require any development right now.

We do SP...its why I got excited regarding Vucinic. He had the attributes and the ability to do just that and of course he was realistic from a financial point of view.

The likes of Real Madrid's super stars arn't realistic. We need to be ambitious but also realistic.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

harry furiates me he always puts the squad down and can never back his word http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/31/tottenham-harry-redknapp-luka-modric? read the article

 

[kdspur]

says it all when even players knopw and talk about it --

xabi alanso taking about league this year --

“Tottenham have done well, have a great manager but financially they will miss the last push. Liverpool have a fantastic coach and they will improve and Arsenal will be there but won’t arrive.”

 

[Mr Pink]

harry furiates me he always puts the squad down and can never back his word http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/31/tottenham-harry-redknapp-luka-modric? read the article

already being discussed in Spurs chat...

 

[bomberH]

harry furiates me he always puts the squad down and can never back his word http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/31/tottenham-harry-redknapp-luka-modric? read the article

Where has he put the squad down in that article?

 

[OneHotspur1988]

I expect Harry to leave or be pushed out soon. Sometimes he's poison.

 

[Dare!]

Oh come on. Harry's just telling the truth in that article. We can't afford the top wages.

But yeah, Spurs Chat.

 

[kdspur]

I expect Harry to leave or be pushed out soon. Sometimes he's poison.

fucking idiot. go to bed. Whats so poison that he said and that we dont already know?

 

[Hot-Spur]

1st of August, a new month might mean some new signings :grin: