The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Hot Spur]

But it's not three games is it. Since the days of Harry, we've gone from free flowing attacking football that was a joy to watch, to turgid possession that's slow and quite dull to watch. We've bought very poorly and seem to have a transfer policy totally unsuited to life in the Premiership.

Yes because the players mainly responsible for creating that free flowing attacking football were promptly sold. First Modric and vdV and subsequently Bale. That isn't the manager's fault. AVB recognized the importance of Modric which is why he wanted Moutinho as replacement. Then when Bale was sold after he was told Bale wouldn't be sold at any price, he lost interest and walked.

 

[eddiebailey]

It was always the plan for jol to take over at some point.

It was always Frank's plan, not sure Daniel was in on it.

 

[theShiznit]

It's worrying that in a "dynamic" possession based game, Poch is introducing more players that slow the game down...

Yesterday we had, Walker, Chadli, Dembele and Dier all of whom contribute in their own special way to slow the game down.

And when you are moving the ball slowly from side to side to create gaps, what gaps you create will be fleeting, and you'll be lucky if Kane or Mason is on the ball when one of those gaps appears as none of the others will even attempt to exploit those gaps.

None of those I’ve mentioned pass the ball on the move, all just pass and stand there or at best, look around after they’ve passed it to say they can have it again.

We need more dynamic passing and moving and give and goes. Those four players I mentioned cannot offer that with any regularity or comfort.
When teams have all their players behind the ball you have to move them around, Dembele can take 2-3 out of the game by standing them up and gliding past them but then by the time he’s decided what to do with the ball, the wall’s been rebuilt and he gives a simple pass or has an average shot.
How many players in our team do we see accelerate into a pass with purpose? so they’re off on a sprint into space as soon as they’ve passed it? Possibly only the much derided Mason currently in the team, We have others that can pass and move, just need to get them in to move teams out of shaper quicker and more efficiently and then have players that can see the holes the movement has created and exploit them.

All we’re doing currently is moving teams side to side slowly and any small gaps that appear go unseen by our slow witted “creative” players.
Which is when you get a game that becomes reliant on whether a player can produce a moment of individual brilliance to win the game rather than the team creating through dynamic play/movement.
Otherwise having slow users of the ball against solid banks of 4 will just stifle the game and create unrest (yay they are creative after all) as we have seen...

I understand the Manager/coach needs to trust players and hope they will fight for him, but that trust is not being rewarded ATM and how many of those players would throw Poch under the bus if it suited them.

The tide is turning Poch, sort it now or it will be too late for you to turn around especially if the WHL crowd turns.

 

[Jamturk]

Haha, right. So you are suggesting that we should have kept Soldado and Adebayor around?

Indeed, they are still football players and are better strikers than no strikers.

 

[ilikeost]

Indeed, they are still football players and are better strikers than no strikers.

I very much disagree.

 

[Jamturk]

I very much disagree.

On what grounds?

 

[ilikeost]

On what grounds?

Well, I agree that they are football players, hard to disagree with that. But I'd rather have Kane as our only striker with Chadli and N'jie covering for him than Soldado and Adebayor wasting two spots on the team roster.

 

[TH1239]

At the end of the day, you can't expect to keep up in this league with a transfer policy entirely dependent on generating sales of players to fund new players. Brendan Rodgers would've been fired at Liverpool inside of 18 months if John Henry had told him he had to sell to buy, and so would lots of other managers. We may have done well getting 5th and 6th in recent years, but this league has fundamentally changed now. It's almost unavoidable for us to fall out of the top 6 if we genuinely will not spend more than we take in via sales, as clubs below us will spend more and more in the coming years snapping up all the quality continental talent, while we try to offload players to generate funds (though I suspect in the coming windows, we'll be selling some of our best players to generate funds, too).

So, I guess in the end, I'll repeat what I said when Pochettino was appointed: if Levy doesn't back him with serious money in the transfer market, he'll fail. It's pretty simple, really.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

The fact is right before our eyes.... 2 pts in 3 games and that double pivot bull shit means we don't have the right players when the window closes. We play a Defender in the midfield and some of you claim it is progress? Bloody hilarious...

Poch has coach 3 clubs... Espanyol, Southhampton and Spurs. So i won't have high hopes... Tbh

Great summary.. Hit the nail fair and square on the head

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

It is incorrect for people to say that Poch's system isn't working because we haven't got the players. If, at the time of sending the players out, a manager hasn't got the players he needs to play the system he wants to play, the answer is simple; play a system that gets the best out of the players you have.

During the transfer windows you obviously try to get the players to fit the system you, ideally, want to play. However, if, for whatever reason, you don't get those players, again, you need to formulate a system that gets the best out of the players you have.

Poch isn't adapting in any way, which is massively worrying.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

But he's not a natural fit for midfield, we look less fluid with him in there and we don't look any better defensively for it.

I'd rather stick with Mason and Bentaleb than have Dier in there. He's a much better CB.

I'd rather have a functioning midfield that's fit for purpose. If this comprises players all ready at the club or we buy, I don't really care, but we cant continue with what we're currently doing because it clear to everyone it not working.

 

[spursfan77]

It's worrying that in a "dynamic" possession based game, Poch is introducing more players that slow the game down...

Yesterday we had, Walker, Chadli, Dembele and Dier all of whom contribute in their own special way to slow the game down.

And when you are moving the ball slowly from side to side to create gaps, what gaps you create will be fleeting, and you'll be lucky if Kane or Mason is on the ball when one of those gaps appears as none of the others will even attempt to exploit those gaps.

None of those I’ve mentioned pass the ball on the move, all just pass and stand there or at best, look around after they’ve passed it to say they can have it again.

We need more dynamic passing and moving and give and goes. Those four players I mentioned cannot offer that with any regularity or comfort.
When teams have all their players behind the ball you have to move them around, Dembele can take 2-3 out of the game by standing them up and gliding past them but then by the time he’s decided what to do with the ball, the wall’s been rebuilt and he gives a simple pass or has an average shot.
How many players in our team do we see accelerate into a pass with purpose? so they’re off on a sprint into space as soon as they’ve passed it? Possibly only the much derided Mason currently in the team, We have others that can pass and move, just need to get them in to move teams out of shaper quicker and more efficiently and then have players that can see the holes the movement has created and exploit them.

All we’re doing currently is moving teams side to side slowly and any small gaps that appear go unseen by our slow witted “creative” players.
Which is when you get a game that becomes reliant on whether a player can produce a moment of individual brilliance to win the game rather than the team creating through dynamic play/movement.
Otherwise having slow users of the ball against solid banks of 4 will just stifle the game and create unrest (yay they are creative after all) as we have seen...

I understand the Manager/coach needs to trust players and hope they will fight for him, but that trust is not being rewarded ATM and how many of those players would throw Poch under the bus if it suited them.

The tide is turning Poch, sort it now or it will be too late for you to turn around especially if the WHL crowd turns.

If we don't beat Everton next Saturday, rightly or wrongly, there will be boos. There were boos after the Stoke game and that was the first game of the season.

The last 12 months has been horrible watching spurs for 90% of the games at whl. We go to football matches for enjoyment and to be entertained. I don't expect to win every game. I just want to go and enjoy watching an attractive team. It really isn't too much to ask.

 

[SteveH]

At the end of the day, you can't expect to keep up in this league with a transfer policy entirely dependent on generating sales of players to fund new players. Brendan Rodgers would've been fired at Liverpool inside of 18 months if John Henry had told him he had to sell to buy, and so would lots of other managers. We may have done well getting 5th and 6th in recent years, but this league has fundamentally changed now. It's almost unavoidable for us to fall out of the top 6 if we genuinely will not spend more than we take in via sales, as clubs below us will spend more and more in the coming years snapping up all the quality continental talent, while we try to offload players to generate funds (though I suspect in the coming windows, we'll be selling some of our best players to generate funds, too).

So, I guess in the end, I'll repeat what I said when Pochettino was appointed: if Levy doesn't back him with serious money in the transfer market, he'll fail. It's pretty simple, really.

"serious money".........??

Do you mean money like the 'top five spenders"?
not going to happen... yet!

 

[tototoner]

It's not Pochettino's fault we have an average, unbalanced and inexperienced squad.

I am concerned though that the pressing game he had at Southampton has disintegrated and we look like the lethargic team we had under Villas-Boas again.

Levy must back the manager if we are to get anywhere close to qualifying for the CL again, I doubt he will and therefore I fear for Tottenham and Pochettino this season.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

If we don't beat Everton next Saturday, rightly or wrongly, there will be boos. There were boos after the Stoke game and that was the first game of the season.

The last 12 months has been horrible watching spurs for 90% of the games at whl. We go to football matches for enjoyment and to be entertained. I don't expect to win every game. I just want to go and enjoy watching an attractive team. It really isn't too much to ask.

You give a manager time if they have a plan or the ability to change to another if it isn't working. We've stagnated under Poch and there's no sign of any progression, especially in central midfield and offensively. Every week is Groundhog Day, same mystifying line ups and like watching paint dry performances.

 

[guy]

It is incorrect for people to say that Poch's system isn't working because we haven't got the players. If, at the time of sending the players out, a manager hasn't got the players he needs to play the system he wants to play, the answer is simple; play a system that gets the best out of the players you have.

During the transfer windows you obviously try to get the players to fit the system you, ideally, want to play. However, if, for whatever reason, you don't get those players, again, you need to formulate a system that gets the best out of the players you have.

Poch isn't adapting in any way, which is massively worrying.

agree completely

 

[felmani26]

It's not Pochettino's fault we have an average, unbalanced and inexperienced squad.

I am concerned though that the pressing game he had at Southampton has disintegrated and we look like the lethargic team we had under Villas-Boas again.

Levy must back the manager if we are to get anywhere close to qualifying for the CL again, I doubt he will and therefore I fear for Tottenham and Pochettino this season.

I'm fairly certain the remit isn't a Champions League berth unlike previous years.

Deadwood has been cleared in almost unprecedented fashion and the prominence of youth is coming to the fore - that is progress and does put us on a solid and stable footing going forward.

Am I convinced Pochettino is the long term answer? No, and the misgivings have been widely documented but I'm happy in the main with what we've done this offseason on the proviso that deals for a striker and defensive midfielder materialise and as such, Pochettino does deserve time to bring through the correct personnel and evolve his system to accommodate them accordingly.

Now is certainly not the time to start reaching for the metaphorical trapdoor lever over Poch's reign at the club but we'll have a damn sight more evidence to suggest whether he's the right man come the end of this season.

 

[lukespurs7]

The only saving grace will be if we sign another striker and CDM and Winger! who fit in with whatever Potchs system/philosophy is supposed to be.

Get N'Jie, Berahino, Pritchard, Rose, Trippier and a new CDM into the first XI and then if we are still playing the slow turgid football we are now we need to really look at Potch I'm sorry to say.

I've been quite pro potch and really would like us to actually keep a manager for a long time for once but we've got rid of the dead wood now and have a young talented squad yet there are still many worrying signs, defensively, offensively and selection wise.

WHY play Dier CDM when we have Bentaleb?
WHY not play Rose and Trippier?
WHY start Lamela EVER?!
WHY play dembele out of position
WHY is the team moving the ball so slowly with no creativity?
WHY are there no leaders and do we ship goals so easily?


The football has been boring to watch for a while now and it's needs to change soon.

Levy needs to take some blame but the buck will stop with potch soon enough. He was the managerial equivalent to signing Stambouli instead of Schneiderlin, we should've got De Boer when we could have!!!

 

[lukespurs7]

I'm fairly certain the remit isn't a Champions League berth unlike previous years.

Deadwood has been cleared in almost unprecedented fashion and the prominence of youth is coming to the fore - that is progress and does put us on a solid and stable footing going forward.

Am I convinced Pochettino is the long term answer? No, and the misgivings have been widely documented but I'm happy in the main with what we've done this offseason on the proviso that deals for a striker and defensive midfielder materialise and as such, Pochettino does deserve time to bring through the correct personnel and evolve his system to accommodate them accordingly.

Now is certainly not the time to start reaching for the metaphorical trapdoor lever over Poch's reign at the club but we'll have a damn sight more evidence to suggest whether he's the right man come the end of this season.

Agreed.

 

[Gilzeanking]

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we look like the lethargic team we had under Villas-Boas again.

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No , any time Leicester started to break we went into crisis mode (Chadli excepted of course) and fouled
or raced back . I reckon there was a fair amount of effort from many . You can't pen back a form team like Leicester like we did without effort . No big gaps in our defence , that's effort imo .

Lethargic in terms of creative ideas ,absolutely .