The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[beats1]

Interesting use of a semicolon there. A sign of credible journalism if ever there was one.

It looks like the Sports direct logo as well

 

[thinktank]

I agree there is the odd post that is over the top (see above), but there are plenty of constructive, well thought out posts voicing genuine concerns about poch which have been dismissed and sometimes ridiculed by certain posters.

We know this next appointment is crucial for the future of the club and so it is only fair to have a debate on the pros and cons of each candidate in a reasoned manner.

Not the case; tino supporters have consistently spelt out his merits when challenged and defended attacks on him step-by-step from what I've seen.

If someone has been dismissive it's likely to have been because they have spelt it all out 50 times already yet are still being posed with the same questions that have been answered 50 times before.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Whilst it is true they don't have negredo and nasri, you could say no team outside of the top 4 has that strength in depth, so I think its fair to ask why saints were the only team out of the 20 teams who didn't win from a losing position.
Their bench may not have been as strong as man citys but they did have Osvaldo and Ramirez for large parts of the season as well as lambert and rodriguez, so they arguably had better or similar options than teams below them.
As faulks said, its not just about making subs but tactical or formation changes can make a big difference.

There are some articles from saints supporters talking about lack of plan b, so its not something I am imagining!

Particularly relevant are these quotes after they lost to cardiff:-

"our opponents know exactly how we are going to play, substitutes are always like for like and we dont seem to have the ability to change games"

"The last four games are in the hands of the manager, but as have always said, in football if you do the same things you get the same results, fine when you are winning, but the best managers know how to win a game by changing it sometimes and surprising opponents."

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...4763/saints-lack-cutting-edge-says-pochettino

And it is mentioned again here after a loss to newcastle:-

"It was a lead newcastle had warranted, but it did ask serious questions of the saint's defence, and of the need for a plan b when things aren't going well"
http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/...b-will-make-for-nervy-end-to-saints-season/#_

And from a saints fansnetwork forum:-

"The lack of a Plan B has also been a big issue. After eighteen months of setting up with exactly the same system, being forced to change it before the Everton game put us 2-0 up before they had even realised what was going on. If he stays, he needs a down gear & an up-gear to either see-out games or to chase them"

I agree that the stats in themselves don't tell the whole story, but its interesting that various saints supporters who watch all of their games have highlighted it as a problem.

Hopefully its something poch is aware of and will be able to address the issues with a superior spurs team.

That last one is something I've alluded to in previous posts. My impression from watching Southampton quite a few times is that they are intense press/high line/high tempo on the ball until energy runs low and it all drops off, which is why they are the worst in the league for losing leads and chasing games. The second half/final third of games is not being managed very well (to be honest, I think Rodgers Liverpool were very similar, they just have better individuals creatively who can still capitalise on the break when in that passive phase).

I think Pochettino learned a lot from Bielsa, who's teams were very similar - high tempo, hard press etc.

Klopp's Dortmund often seem to vary the tempo/press/defensive line throughout a match or depending on opponent.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

All the talk earlier was that Poch is imminent. Suggested by Jj.
To hear talk sport say it's off, I'm still leaning towards it being BS.
However, if we are genuinely going to miss out, it is very worrying. Longer it goes, more unsettled the squad become.
I wanted someone in and working on plans for the season before the world cup.
Also makes us look very amateur that we can't appoint anyone.

 

[thinktank]

Talk Sport reporting that Poch is set to stay at Southampton and we may not appoint a coach until after the WC

Announcement tomorrow then....

 

[SpartanSpur]

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Ajax fans have only complained about the footy this season(small amount as well, they also mentioned they have played good faster football against the big teams) and they don't want de boer to leave because they realise that the team isn't very good.

I can link you to post on their forums saying that their players aren't as technically good as the teams in the past and that this is their worst team to win the League but de boer has performed miracles. People will discount De Boer and once he achieves something in Europe it will be too late. The same thing happened with Pellegrini, Simeone and etc. all were available but discounted because they didnt do anything of note when we went for AVB and now we would have no chance in hell for either.

As for the earlier bit that may well be true but here is the table for the stats
Points gained whilst losing

Here is points lost from winning positions

The argument about going ahead may be fair but then look at the teams around them they are all lower based teams and the same goes for the points gained. In total only west ham have lost more points from points gained and points lost with minus 16 and Southampton had minus 14

We on the other hand did have one benefit of AVB, which he installed this strong mentality in the squad and we never lost one game from that we led all season. Which is remarkable.

Looking at the table you notice even the lower teams had done well in one table and the only teams to do bad in both were West Ham, Southampton, Sunderland and Norwich.

Interestingly this Southampton only won 1 game when they conceded 1 goal and 1 game when they conceded 2 goals. Out of Southampton's 15 wins, 13 came from those with a clean sheet. Only Norwich won less matches when conceded a goal or more. Other than West Brom and Hull everyone else won more matches when they conceded a goal or more(i.e. 3 wins or more)

I was not criticising FDB btw, I was trying to point out how fans grumbles can be more of a game by game thing. Saints fans love Poch, and Ajax fans love FDB. As such I believe both could be a success here and are unlikely to be a disaster waiting to happen.

Stats like this are hard to fully digest, but does suggest a remarkable consistency in form. If there was a table of points held on to from winning positions I'm sure they would be top half for example. It seems they are quite controlling in games and aren't as defensively suspect as some think. Solid system that is pleasing on the eye. Sign me up.

Yes these stats are a big concern, I appreciate that, hopefully he could be more of a game changer for us. We don't know. We know even less of what FDB could bring and how he can adapt to a new environment at spurs and the PL. Hence why I think both are gamble but would be happy with either. To dare is to do.

 

[parklane1]

If someone has been dismissive it's likely to have been because they have spelt it all out 50 times already yet are still being posed with the same questions that have been answered 50 times before.

Good point and i think you could say the same for the FDB backers. There has been plenty of posters giving their reasons why they prefer one or the other and i do not think most will change their minds now, i still think FDB would be the best choice but if Pooch gets it i will back him. I hope that all fans will do the same whoever gets the job, though i have my doubts.

 

[beats1]

I was not criticising FDB btw, I was trying to point out how fans grumbles can be more of a game by game thing. Saints fans love Poch, and Ajax fans love FDB. As such I believe both could be a success here and are unlikely to be a disaster waiting to happen.

Stats like this are hard to fully digest, but does suggest a remarkable consistency in form. If there was a table of points held on to from winning positions I'm sure they would be top half for example. It seems they are quite controlling in games and aren't as defensively suspect as some think. Solid system that is pleasing on the eye. Sign me up.

Yes these stats are a big concern, I appreciate that, hopefully he could be more of a game changer for us. We don't know. We know even less of what FDB could bring and how he can adapt to a new environment at spurs and the PL. Hence why I think both are gamble but would be happy with either. To dare is to do.

I have many fears about FDB and style of football is one based on this season however then i do remember this is a very weak ajax side and I look back to the matches against Man City, Man Utd and etc.

Also frank has alot of control with the youth which is something he may not have here

He hasn't had any money to spend so he may sign duds

However the issue with Poch, is similar to what we had before(philosophy wise he is better but thats more down to the spanish background however he hasn't won as much as our prior managers)

Whereas FDB represents something we haven't had before imo

 

[Metalhead]

All the talk earlier was that Poch is imminent. Suggested by Jj.
To hear talk sport say it's off, I'm still leaning towards it being BS.
However, if we are genuinely going to miss out, it is very worrying. Longer it goes, more unsettled the squad become.
I wanted someone in and working on plans for the season before the world cup.
Also makes us look very amateur that we can't appoint anyone.

I agree. I'm not panicking about a story on TalkSport or indeed panicking per se as it's still early in the off season but if it goes on too long then I would start worrying.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I have many fears about FDB and style of football is one based on this season however then i do remember this is a very weak ajax side and I look back to the matches against Man City, Man Utd and etc.

Also frank has alot of control with the youth which is something he may not have here

He hasn't had any money to spend so he may sign duds

However the issue with Poch, is similar to what we had before(philosophy wise he is better but thats more down to the spanish background however he hasn't won as much as our prior managers)

Whereas FDB represents something we haven't had before imo

All fair points, again as I mentioned my posts are mainly aimed at those that flat out dismiss Poch in favour of FDB rather than those who see the merits of both and prefer one over the other. I think both could do a pretty decent job considering our points total from what can only be described a shambolic season. Imagine what we could do with some organisation and some clear direction...

 

[Tom Pops]

Dan Brett ‏@DanBrett90 2m
Had heard, very confidently that Pochettino was set to stay at Southampton, but Spurs' pursuit has been telling across the last week.

backtracking much

 

[KILLA_SIN]

I would be happy with either FDB or Poch, I see both as young hungry managers wanting to take the next step the next challenge but equally I see both as managers with varying degrees of high risk. One has a poor European record the others teams lose to many leading positions and so and so on. We can keep ebating each managers pros and cons but If there is one thing I like is that both are in fact risks and neither is the perfect choice. They are two good candidates that are available too us now. I don't see why everyone can't accept that for once that which ever manager we choose will be a risk and has huge level of expectation when he takes on this job and neither is guaranteed to deliver.

 

[spurs9]

Not the case; tino supporters have consistently spelt out his merits when challenged and defended attacks on him step-by-step from what I've seen.

If someone has been dismissive it's likely to have been because they have spelt it all out 50 times already yet are still being posed with the same questions that have been answered 50 times before.

That is not true bro. I have seen many legitimate concerns about Poch that have been answered with snarky comments without any one actually addressing them.

 

["sir"billynic]

A well known blogger, who's name I won't mention, except for it rhyming with barry botspur. Has suggested we may not have had permission to speak with MoPo, thus all the cloak and dagger stuff.

I almost immediately dismissed this theory. But then I have been wondering about JJ's meltdown on twitter yesterday, when he suggested that it wasn't MoPo in the picture. Could it be some kind outlandish attempt to cover the meeting up? I do love a good conspiracy and do apologise if I'm talking absolute shit, but I have had 1 or 2 drinks.

 

[nidge]

Now it might be a courteous to talk to Southampton to let them know our intent to pursue Pochettino as manager but is there actually a rule that says we have to?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Sports Tonight Live ‏@SportsTonightTV 38m
Just to confirm it's our understanding Mauricio Pochettino will sign a Three year contract to be the new Tottenham Hotspur manager very soon


They still can't get their grammar correct.

 

[spurs9]

What Ward-Prowse says about Pochettino and training is really interesting. Maybe his gym sessions also contribute towards Southampton having one of the best injury records last season.

Saints lost 708 days to injury last season. Spurs lost 1441 days!!

It will be because of the whole training philosophy he has (there is a discussion about it in the "Tottenham Phisios/Medical Staff" thread.

Definitely a plus for Poch though.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'm scared.

 

[xtrac]

I'm scared.


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i am now!!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ttino-new-manager-ruling-Roberto-Mancini.html