The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[thinktank]

I just don't think he's that great. I think he has some decent ideas about how he wants to play and actively encourages risk but I don't think he manages that risk well, I think his teams can be entertaining in patches but I think they are also always vulnerable. I think he lacks something in the mentality department.

Huh?? That's one of his strengths, BC. What's given you that impression?

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Potch is the latest 'in' manager. Of course we will go for him that's what we do.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong but I do not believe Potch or even FdB are the answer to our problems. They may well paper over the cracks with a good start, but it will surely end the same as the last manager we hired who was the hottest thing since Mourinho ran up the old Trafford touch line.

Spurs' last three managerial appointments are Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood.

Please tell me how any of them could be defined as 'in' at the time of their appointment. AVB was the victim of a press witch hunt at the time.

 

[beats1]

Ah, that makes much more sense.

You can always manipulate stats in someone's favour, so I'm not sure this means much, but it gives me hope nonetheless.

The accounts for this season hasn't been published yet and team operating on a championship wage still play it safe their first season as it would be a big risk to pay high wages and be lumbered with those wages in relegation

Last season wigan had the lowest despite being a premier league club for years then followed by the two promoted teams with west ham the other premier league team paying premier league wages in the championship

Since then they signed Gallagher, Schneiderlin, Shaw, Osvaldo, Wanyama, Lovren, Lallana and Lambert though got rid of some dead wood

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Huh?? That's one of his strengths, BC. What's given you that impression?

He's too fucking nice. he just doesn't exude a strong mentality to me, he comes across as a bit of a wimp. And that vulnerability seems to be prevalent in all his teams.

 

[beats1]

Spurs' last three managerial appointments are Radknapp, AVB and Sherwood.

Please tell me how any of them could be defined as 'in' at the time of their appointment. AVB was the victim of a press witch hunt at the time.

AVB had one great season at porto and people called him the next mourinho
Redknapp had just had a great season with portsmouth taking them to the Uefa cup and winning the Fa Cup

Sherwood was never hired as manager in all honesty, he was a caretaker and continued after it seemed levy couldn't get his man in december

Edit:
Hoddle a good job at england for 2 seasons that got embroiled in controversy and off the back of Southampton's best finish in the league at the time
Santini off the back of a great season with lyon winning the title
Jol wasnt hired as manager but got the job after being decent as a caretaker
Ramos off the back of a great season with Seville, winning two cups and a title challenge

 

[thinktank]

He's too fucking nice. he just doesn't exude a strong mentality to me, he comes across as a bit of a wimp. And that vulnerability seems to be prevalent in all his teams.

Nah, he's a strong minded dude and you can see that translated onto the pitch with everton imo.

 

[dontcallme]

Quite pathetic on here sometimes!

Poch wasn't my first choice but it seems as though he will become manager of our team!
So everyone should get over it and get behind him, no point debating if he's the right man for the job as it won't change once it's decided!
And I would think everyone wants what's best for the team!

Football would be so dull if people didn't discuss their opinions, in fact life would.

Everyone wants what's best for Spurs and we come to a forum to discuss what we think is the way forward.

Should we close down the forum because what we discuss won't make a physical difference?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Nah, he's a strong minded dude and you can see that translated onto the pitch with everton imo.

I don't agree, you can see a bunch of players who'd spent years being balled out by Moyes if they didn't defend properly. All said and done Martinez had CL in his own control and fucked it and he only moved Everton up one place on last year and that was with Lukaku, Barry, Doleufiou (my spelling), A year older Barclay, and some decent players inherited and well drilled by Moyes.

 

[jambreck]

AVB had one great season at porto and people called him the next mourinho
Redknapp had just had a great season with portsmouth taking them to the Uefa cup and winning the Fa Cup

Sherwood was never hired as manager in all honesty, he was a caretaker and continued after it seemed levy couldn't get his man in december

Edit:
Hoddle a good job at england for 2 seasons that got embroiled in controversy and off the back of Southampton's best finish in the league at the time
Santini off the back of a great season with lyon winning the title
Jol wasnt hired as manager but got the job after being decent as a caretaker
Ramos off the back of a great season with Seville, winning two cups and a title challenge

AVB was an in vogue appointment when Chelsea took him from Porto. But not when we took him from the dole queue. Harry had won the FA Cup with Portsmouth. But there's no way that he could have been described as an in vogue manager. Santini likewise. Glenn had done a great job with England and Southampton but was damaged goods after the Eileen Drewery mockery and the karma comments.

I'd say that the only genuinely in vogue manager that Levy has appointed is Juande Ramos.

 

[CRUSADER]

Would have prefered FDB but i think Poch will be ok if only the players would allow him to work with them.

 

[whitelanefever]

The accounts for this season hasn't been published yet and team operating on a championship wage still play it safe their first season as it would be a big risk to pay high wages and be lumbered with those wages in relegation

Last season wigan had the lowest despite being a premier league club for years then followed by the two promoted teams with west ham the other premier league team paying premier league wages in the championship

Since then they signed Gallagher, Schneiderlin, Shaw, Osvaldo, Wanyama, Lovren, Lallana and Lambert though got rid of some dead wood

That's wrong, Schneiderlin, Shaw, lallana & rest weren't signed when they were in Pl, the only signings by Poch were Wanyama, lovren & Osvaldo

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Would have prefered FDB but i think Poch will be ok if only the players would allow him to work with them.

Well, they can't exactly refuse to work with him...

 

[Flashspur]

I just don't think he's that great. I think he has some decent ideas about how he wants to play and actively encourages risk but I don't think he manages that risk well, I think his teams can be entertaining in patches but I think they are also always vulnerable. I think he lacks something in the mentality department.

first time i agree with you 100%, Good call!

 

[Rorschach]

Long term lurker, who has decided to quit the creepy, weirdo stuff and finally post so I am expecting no mercy.

I'm sorry to move the discussion back somewhat, but having read the thread I can saw that the whole Southampton being the worst team for dropping points from a winning position and at chasing games has been discussed. This piqued my interest as to where they stood in terms of teams who conceded the most late goals this season (You would presume pretty near the top). I've spent quite a while on google trying to find this stat but have failed miserably.

Does anyone actually know, or alternatively could point me in direction of stats site that might actually record such things, as I think it would make an interesting comparison between them and us at the beginning of the 2012/2013 season under AVB, when we too attempted to play a high intensity pressing game for 90 minutes and often conceded late on.

As has been said, results and the numbers that I have been able to find so far seem to suggest a flaw in Poch's (Bielsa's) system, along with a certain fragility in the mentality of the team and an inability of the manager to address it (conceding a high number of late goals would further confirm this). Despite our stronger, deeper squad, I find this concerning, especially as we have both a higher number and frequency of games to contend with (it is a known weakness of Bielsa's system is that it requires either an infeasibly large squad, or low game frequency in order to produce consistent/sustained success).

Thank you for reading my inane nonsense, and any help would be much appreciated.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I appreciate the funny ratings of the Poch picture I posted but if you find that funny, you are some sort of sick bastard.

That picture is creepy as fuck. Even if some of you on here are homosexual, surely you must still find it frightening...

 

[beats1]

AVB was an in vogue appointment when Chelsea took him from Porto. But not when we took him from the dole queue. Harry had won the FA Cup with Portsmouth. But there's no way that he could have been described as an in vogue manager. Santini likewise. Glenn had done a great job with England and Southampton but was damaged goods after the Eileen Drewery mockery and the karma comments.

I'd say that the only genuinely in vogue manager that Levy has appointed is Juande Ramos.

I didnt say they were in vogue but they had all come off the back of great seasons or short term success. AVB was still the next big thing after Chelsea sacked him since chelsea sack everyone like Mourinho, Ancelotti and etc.

AVB was still linked with most top jobs.

There is a clear pattern that levy would go for managers who had just achieved success not too long before their appointment. None of those managers had sustained success.

Whilst harry may not been in vogue we were desperate and a fa cup winning manager when we had 2 points from 8 games would probably be the best we could get

 

[Mouse!]

Being truthful, in the ENIC era the two managers that have had me most excited when they joined were Ramos and AVB, due to the glowing media profiles of the two men before they joined Spurs. And I ended up being very disappointed with how the reality matched up to the sales pitch with both of them.

I was also underwhelmed at the appointments of Jol and Redknapp, and they have turned out to be the two managers whose tenures I enjoyed the most under ENIC.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know my arse from my elbow at the time a manager is appointed.

(Slight preference for Pochettino this time round, btw.)

EDIT - whoops, wrong thread! This was supposed to go in the Which Managerial Appointment Were You Most Excited By thread. Seems I truly don't know my arse from my elbow!

If anyone was going to know their arse from their elbow, I'd have thought a poster named Scat1620 might.

 

[thinktank]

I don't agree, you can see a bunch of players who'd spent years being balled out by Moyes if they didn't defend properly. All said and done Martinez had CL in his own control and fucked it and he only moved Everton up one place on last year and that was with Lukaku, Barry, Doleufiou (my spelling), A year older Barclay, and some decent players inherited and well drilled by Moyes.

Ok, we disagree then.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I don't agree, you can see a bunch of players who'd spent years being balled out by Moyes if they didn't defend properly. All said and done Martinez had CL in his own control and fucked it and he only moved Everton up one place on last year and that was with Lukaku, Barry, Doleufiou (my spelling), A year older Barclay, and some decent players inherited and well drilled by Moyes.

Did you know that if you search "Doleufiou" on the internet, the only thing that comes up is this post...

 

[SpurSince57]

I didnt say they were in vogue but they had all come off the back of great seasons or short term success. AVB was still the next big thing after Chelsea sacked him since chelsea sack everyone like Mourinho, Ancelotti and etc.

AVB was still linked with most top jobs.

There is a clear pattern that levy would go for managers who had just achieved success not too long before their appointment. None of those managers had sustained success.

Whilst harry may not been in vogue we were desperate and a fa cup winning manager when we had 2 points from 8 games would probably be the best we could get[/quote]

It was widely rumoured (and believed) that Kemsley had tried to persuade Levy to replace Jol with Harry.