The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[CornerPinDreamer]

I dont get this notion about pochs pressing game as of yet because apart from arsenal,Chelsea and Everton last season, i have not seen us use this system to effect.
The question is why after a season in charge are we still not operating his system correctly.

..without a doubt the one thing that you would expect from a Bielsa inspired manager is pressing. Irrespective of anything else. I worry that Poch can;t get the players to do that basic thing...

 

[spursfan77]

I dont get this notion about pochs pressing game as of yet because apart from arsenal,Chelsea and Everton last season, i have not seen us use this system to effect.
The question is why after a season in charge are we still not operating his system correctly.

Maybe we are. Maybe THIS is his system.

 

[mpickard2087]

I dont get this notion about pochs pressing game as of yet because apart from arsenal,Chelsea and Everton last season, i have not seen us use this system to effect.
The question is why after a season in charge are we still not operating his system correctly.

I think some of it is almost certainly down to the fact that he's come to a bigger club now, purely in terms of other clubs will play us and stick most of their men behind the ball most weeks, especially to start games. His game plan, with buzzwords such as 'fast transitions' and finding forward passes quickly has to be adapted as there isn't the same space to play in. It's up to him to find an effective style, even if it isn't what he ideally wants.

The lack of a consistent pressing game though he doesn't really have any excuse for. It hasn't been good enough.

 

[shelfboy68]

Maybe we are. Maybe THIS is his system.

Maybe so but he came here based on the system he played.

 

[shelfboy68]

I think some of it is almost certainly down to the fact that he's come to a bigger club now, purely in terms of other clubs will play us and stick most of their men behind the ball most weeks, especially to start games. His game plan, with buzzwords such as 'fast transitions' and finding forward passes quickly has to be adapted as there isn't the same space to play in. It's up to him to find an effective style, even if it isn't what he ideally wants.

The lack of a consistent pressing game though he doesn't really have any excuse for. It hasn't been good enough.

Agree so far not been good enough.

 

[Jamturk]

I believe our players are being stifled by rigid systems and that they are better than they look.

 

[Sevens]

Perspective is needed but I do think we have a right to be ever so slightly concerned. As for the perspective the season we qualified for the CL we won our first four matches but then only two of our next seven.

Three games is a tiny sample size. It's also not entirely uncommon for the first 10 matches throw up some weird runs and results.

What concerns me more than the results is I can't see how it's going to be fixed whilst our purchasing strategy appears to be so incoherent. I like Dier a lot but I find it odd that we are picking him in midfield. If need a DM in Poch's system why was Sandro sold, why was Stambouli sold and why haven't we purchased a specialist replacement prior to selling Stambouli?

 

[lukespurs7]

i see a lot of posts saying things will be better when we get a DM & Berahino will it really though?

there have been ZERO sings of improvement or of even having a plan or a system!!!

its not suddenly going to change I thoroughly believe he will be gone by xmas possibly and by the summer definitely

I think we'd 100% need another pacey winger like Bolaise also and to bed N'Jie and or Pritchard into the first XI for a real difference to occur. A 2nd ST and CDM will help but until we get attacking players with some pace and ability our build-up play will be too laboured and predictable and the pressure will be straight back on the defence. It also doesn't help when we play Davies instead of Rose which further adds to our lack of pace!

 

[panoma]

We cry out for width and pace, yet Poch stick with Davies as our LB instead of Rose. Desicions like that is why im worried about Poch. I get it that he feel it's harsh to drop Davies after 1 game, but sometimes you just have to be a little bit more ruthless.

 

[lukespurs7]

We cry out for width and pace, yet Poch stick with Davies as our LB instead of Rose. Desicions like that is why im worried about Poch. I get it that he feel it's harsh to drop Davies after 1 game, but sometimes you just have to be a little bit more ruthless.

Davies is a good full-back but NOT in the system Potch is trying to play with current inverted wingers and especially not when we have fuck all pace and fluidity going forward at the moment. It is clear as day to see. Hopefully as we bring in N'Jie, Berahino and another winger or Pritchard then this will change but it does seem ridiculous that a former Argentinian international defender can't see the obvious things that us fans can!

 

[Sweech]

I think Poch is perfect for the job. Where the discretion seems to come is the difference in what many fans perceive as what "the job" is.

To me Poch is a builder. He helps promote a team culture and unity and cuts out those who don't participate. We're currently seeing a lot of this in action. He plays and trains youth more so than 99% of other managers so he creates a gateway to the academy which seems to be what we want our focal point to be.

I don't expect tactical wizardry from him so that we can sneak a fourth place spot. I think he's here to set a foundation for this team and I think he's doing it.

 

[spursfan77]

Maybe so but he came here based on the system he played.

Yep, but he hasn't played it in the main

 

[Nebby]

So! What you going to, whinge and whine for ever and a day?
Harry is history! move on.
Yes we bought badly and 'everybody' knows this and is now trying to overcome those disastrous signings. It's no good crying over spilt milk, it is counter productive.

We need to up our game as fans!

You're missing the point: people keep saying that we are only three games in, and should give things time. My point is that we've been incredibly boring to watch for a lot longer than three games. The football we are playing under Poch is mind numbingly dull.

 

[SteveH]

You're missing the point: people keep saying that we are only three games in, and should give things time. My point is that we've been incredibly boring to watch for a lot longer than three games. The football we are playing under Poch is mind numbingly dull.

I'm not a big fan of Poch's style and especially at this point in time but he is going no where! So I will stick by the guy and hope it improves.
There is no point in whining about thing you can't change. I'll give him some more time!

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

 

[balalasaurus]

I imagine successful managers have enough confidence in their own ability to not be deterred by the sacking of managers. It's hardly a rarity in the PL and for example Chelsea have changed manager 10 times in the last ten years

And Chelsea have the financial clout and resources to assemble a squad that any manager would jump at the chance to manage. Comparatively, we don't have the same resources, yet somehow believe that top managers should find us a desirable prospect. Some perspective is sorely needed.

 

[Nebby]

I'm not a big fan of Poch's style and especially at this point in time but he is going no where! So I will stick by the guy and hope it improves.
There is no point in whining about thing you can't change. I'll give him some more time!

You can give him all the time you want, but if things don't pick up soon Levy won't think twice about pulling the trigger.

 

[whitesocks]

I think Poch is perfect for the job. Where the discretion seems to come is the difference in what many fans perceive as what "the job" is.

To me Poch is a builder. He helps promote a team culture and unity and cuts out those who don't participate. We're currently seeing a lot of this in action. He plays and trains youth more so than 99% of other managers so he creates a gateway to the academy which seems to be what we want our focal point to be.

I don't expect tactical wizardry from him so that we can sneak a fourth place spot. I think he's here to set a foundation for this team and I think he's doing it.

Seems to me that he is just a coach then. Possibly a good one.
The transfers and tactics, entertainment and results are incidental to his job - that is the manager's job and we simply do not have one.

 

[Sevens]

We cry out for width and pace, yet Poch stick with Davies as our LB instead of Rose. Desicions like that is why im worried about Poch. I get it that he feel it's harsh to drop Davies after 1 game, but sometimes you just have to be a little bit more ruthless.

Rose isn't fast. More than once last year he was comfortably outpaced by players that wouldn't be regarded as fast. I wouldn't be surprised if he was slower than Davies (who isn't that slow).

 

[Sevens]

I think Poch is perfect for the job. Where the discretion seems to come is the difference in what many fans perceive as what "the job" is.

To me Poch is a builder. He helps promote a team culture and unity and cuts out those who don't participate. We're currently seeing a lot of this in action. He plays and trains youth more so than 99% of other managers so he creates a gateway to the academy which seems to be what we want our focal point to be.

I don't expect tactical wizardry from him so that we can sneak a fourth place spot. I think he's here to set a foundation for this team and I think he's doing it.

Bit early to say that IMO. What exactly did he build at Espanyol and Soton?