The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Wow, it's not only the ITK discussion thread that is full of kneejerking idiots...

 

[Gassin's finest]

Levy isn't going to fire Poch this season, bar a cataclysmic run which results in us being bottom half of the table at christmas. Poch is an ideal manager for Levy right now, not really going to set the world alight, but not really going to be shit either... vintage Tottenham. He's low maintenance and plays the game, i.e. inexpensive. With the new stadium etc being paid for, Levy will want to keep the expense of swapping managers and staff to a minimum. So while we put on the face of top 4 aspirations, the reality will be that Europa League places will be fine, as it keeps us ticking over and the coffers secure.

Not saying that we should be happy with this, just that I suspect this is the more likely reality.

Then again, it could be complete bobbins, and he'll sack him in October after being cuffed 5-0 by Liverpool...

 

[tonyc]

You see this is where I disagree with the term cock ups, the majority of players we signed have been because they were doing really well at previous clubs under different coaches. They weren't bad players that arrived only that have left. Isn't a lot of that down to the coach? finding the right shape and style to make them work, working on their strengths and weaknesses, selecting the players around them that maximise those strengths whilst mitigating their weaknesses
This whole idea of any coach having to come in and bring in all his own players and drastically overhaul the squad is imo a lot of nonsense. Sure it's always likely there will always be a couple of weak links in any squad that need to be changed, but if you need a complete overhaul-particularly in a team that has finished around top five for best part of the last decade then you have gotten the wrong coach.
What bothers me about Poch is that he can't seem to get his ideas across to the players and feels he needs a huge change round already more than 20 first team players in or out in just over a year but still needing his players. Then of course who are his players? judging by a lot of links many were his old Soton players, the same players that finished below us and our bunch of cockups two years back
I worry about his limited tactics, his limited experience, his apparent dogmatic approach and his seeming inability to get the best out of a number of players who other coaches have managed to get very good service out of

Best post I've read here in a long while, Bazza.

 

[SteveH]

You see this is where I disagree with the term cock ups, the majority of players we signed have been because they were doing really well at previous clubs under different coaches. They weren't bad players that arrived only that have left. Isn't a lot of that down to the coach? finding the right shape and style to make them work, working on their strengths and weaknesses, selecting the players around them that maximise those strengths whilst mitigating their weaknesses
This whole idea of any coach having to come in and bring in all his own players and drastically overhaul the squad is imo a lot of nonsense. Sure it's always likely there will always be a couple of weak links in any squad that need to be changed, but if you need a complete overhaul-particularly in a team that has finished around top five for best part of the last decade then you have gotten the wrong coach.
What bothers me about Poch is that he can't seem to get his ideas across to the players and feels he needs a huge change round already more than 20 first team players in or out in just over a year but still needing his players. Then of course who are his players? judging by a lot of links many were his old Soton players, the same players that finished below us and our bunch of cockups two years back
I worry about his limited tactics, his limited experience, his apparent dogmatic approach and his seeming inability to get the best out of a number of players who other coaches have managed to get very good service out of

Cockups was the wrong word. We need to sell Lamela, Townsend and I think there are few others......none of the new intake although Davies is looking not up to scratch.
The fans this season are simply OTT and the players lack confidence other than City it does seems not uncommon throughout the league we even nullified 'the magnificent' Leicester for the most part.


Poch is an easy target and dont our fans enjoy having a dig.

 

[SteveH]

Levy isn't going to fire Poch this season, bar a cataclysmic run which results in us being bottom half of the table at christmas. Poch is an ideal manager for Levy right now, not really going to set the world alight, but not really going to be shit either... vintage Tottenham. He's low maintenance and plays the game, i.e. inexpensive. With the new stadium etc being paid for, Levy will want to keep the expense of swapping managers and staff to a minimum. So while we put on the face of top 4 aspirations, the reality will be that Europa League places will be fine, as it keeps us ticking over and the coffers secure.

Not saying that we should be happy with this, just that I suspect this is the more likely reality.

Then again, it could be complete bobbins, and he'll sack him in October after being cuffed 5-0 by Liverpool...

I dont think he would. Relegation fight will trigger Poch's P45 but little else.
You are spot on with the rest.

 

[Barry Mead]

Cockups was the wrong word. We need to sell Lamela, Townsend and I think there are few others......none of the new intake although Davies is looking not up to scratch.
The fans this season are simply OTT and the players lack confidence other than City it does seems not uncommon throughout the league we even nullified 'the magnificent' Leicester for the most part.


Poch is an easy target and dont our fans enjoy having a dig.

We have already sold Stam and had agreed to sell Fazio two players that arrived under Poch's tenure. If we carry on selling half the players we buy every year under Poch it might take a while to build this squad of his players

The fans are disappointed with the dull football Poch delivers and the same weaknesses in our game we see every week, don't run away with the idea that fans love a dig, we'd all be happier singing from the rafters and applauding our play and our success, stop making excuses for Poch and blaming fans for criticising him, it's down to him to win them over

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The fans are disappointed with the dull football Poch delivers and the same weaknesses in our game we see every week, don't run away with the idea that fans love a dig, we'd all be happier singing from the rafters and applauding our play and our success, stop making excuses for Poch and blaming fans for criticising him, it's down to him to win them over

Like with Redknapp?

"We never had it so good"

 

[Styopa]

Like with Redknapp?

"We never had it so good"

And of course Redknapp was right. For most of us anyway.

You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time..

 

[SteveH]

We have already sold Stam and had agreed to sell Fazio two players that arrived under Poch's tenure. If we carry on selling half the players we buy every year under Poch it might take a while to build this squad of his players

The fans are disappointed with the dull football Poch delivers and the same weaknesses in our game we see every week, don't run away with the idea that fans love a dig, we'd all be happier singing from the rafters and applauding our play and our success, stop making excuses for Poch and blaming fans for criticising him, it's down to him to win them over

"The fans are disappointed with the dull football Poch delivers" I hate it also but it does not surprise me as it was the same at Espanyol.
Did you watch the EPL this weekend because it looks like it contagious as Southampton and few other looked just as one passed and dreadful.
I dont give a toss what the fans really do or think. We are 3 games in to a new season. Poch is here for the foreseeable future so they might as well shut fuck up and cut him some slack. All this incessant negativity serves little purpose, it won't make Poch change his style. So as far as I'm concerned they can blow the pipes if they think the will help.

Poch is here to oversee football coaching while the stadium is built......then, at this rate, he will be gone.

But be my guest ........

 

[dagraham]

This was always inevitable when you employ a "philosophy" manager. God I hate that term and if we are ever in a position of needing another manager I hope anyone with a motherfucking philosophy is as far away from it as possible........and no, I didn't want Sherwood to be kept on before you ask.

A bit of a wake up call when a team like Swansea with a supposed British "nobody" in charge can play far better football than us.

Even so, this is still only the beginning of his second season so we have to give the bloke a bit of time. We're not going to be anywhere near top four no matter who the manager is and another change will just see yet another exodus of players.

I don't have much confidence in the current set up, but we have little choiice really other than to see where it takes us in the next couple of years even if it's not going to be much fun watching the journey in the meantime.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

We finished 5th last season and have only narrowly lost once this season and fans are already getting twitchy. I fucking despair reading some of the shit on this forum, I really do...

 

[dagraham]

We finished 5th last season and have only narrowly lost once this season and fans are already getting twitchy. I fucking despair reading some of the shit on this forum, I really do...

To be fair I think a lot of people's concern is about the nature of our performances and the football we play, rather than our results.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

We finished 5th last season and have only narrowly lost once this season and fans are already getting twitchy. I fucking despair reading some of the shit on this forum, I really do...

They are not so much twitchy, but frustrated by the turgid and uninspiring performances that have continued on from last year, irrespective of our 5th place finish.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

To be fair I think a lot of people's concern is about the nature of our performances and the football we play, rather than our results.

We are clearly taking steps to try and improve our performances by targeting players with pace and hopefully a defensive midfielder.

We are never going to play champagne football every match, no team in the world does, but as long as we are still picking up the results to compete then the manager definitely deserves patience.

We've played 3 GAMES this season. Some fans need to grow a pair and strap in for the ride.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Some fans need to grow a pair and strap in for the ride.

Sure, no worries there, and you can throw in "kick back and relax" for good measure. But once strapped in, there is no obligation to enjoy nor support every single aspect of a rollercoaster on questionable foundation.

 

[IMissTheWaddler]

I despair at our quality of football, our slow play, lack of penetration, woeful control of games and the fact we rarely look a threat to teams and never destroy anyone any more. Also the transfer policy seems weird, team selection I never agree with and the fact that the manager is even worse at subs than Harry was.

So why is it I'm not even thinking of replacing Poch and am quite happy to give him time?

 

[spursfan77]

Just wondering, when

"The fans are disappointed with the dull football Poch delivers" I hate it also but it does not surprise me as it was the same at Espanyol.
Did you watch the EPL this weekend because it looks like it contagious as Southampton and few other looked just as one passed and dreadful.
I dont give a toss what the fans really do or think. We are 3 games in to a new season. Poch is here for the foreseeable future so they might as well shut fuck up and cut him some slack. All this incessant negativity serves little purpose, it won't make Poch change his style. So as far as I'm concerned they can blow the pipes if they think the will help.

Poch is here to oversee football coaching while the stadium is built......then, at this rate, he will be gone.

But be my guest ........

I agree a lot of teams are dull. Every team playing 4231 with inverted wingers will do that to a league.

 

[RuskyM]

A tad worried that the only defence Pochettino's fans can seem to come to is "give it time". Effectively it can be translated as "alright, nothing has happened yet, but it might. Let's see".

It's the argument equivalent of throwing a smoke grenade onto the floor and disappearing into the night.

 

[spursfan77]

We are clearly taking steps to try and improve our performances by targeting players with pace and hopefully a defensive midfielder.

We are never going to play champagne football every match, no team in the world does, but as long as we are still picking up the results to compete then the manager definitely deserves patience.

We've played 3 GAMES this season. Some fans need to grow a pair and strap in for the ride.

Have a read through the last ten or so pages of this thread dude and you'll see nobody is talking about the last 3 games. It's since he's joined. Anyway, read the pages and you'll see I'm not going to type out what everyone has said. Im not sure if anybody is going over the top, it's a level headed discussion about the last 12 months.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

For sake of a balanced view, I will happily point out one thing Pochettino has got right. In the media, he is perfectly loyal to Levy and is not showing any divide in public what so ever. Not saying Pochettino is expressing my views on Levy's dealings, but publicly, he is sticking by Levy. That's well done.
As for what goes on the pitch, I'm sure somebody more eloquent and enthusiastic than me can point out what the plusses actually are. (Apart from statistics on possession, which I highly doubt is a good stand alone measurement).