The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Jimmyjimmyo]

Thats bullshit... Still achieved 5th last year which is as good as most managers have in the 20 years. At the same time we got to a cup final and improved a number of the players at his disposal:

Kane
Mason
Bentaleb
Rose
Eriksen
Chadli

Half the first team squad were quickly deemed not good enough or fitting for his style of play and are now out of the club. Getting what he did out of the squad considering we had one striker that performed and at times last year a CB playing RB and a couple of young kids playing cm should be seen as an achievement. Personally I'll judge him once we have the squad assembled and he has successfully integrated more of the younger players that look likely to get a shot this year.

Some people just love to moan and call for a managers head. No doubt you wanted Jol and Redknapp gone as well thinking there was better out there. Seeing what Poch got out of the Southampton squad that actually had some pace about them I'm looking forwards to seeing us introduce players like N'Jie and hopefully Berahino.

I was genuinely gutted when we lost both of those guys and still feel they were better than Poch, AVB and Ramos.

With the exception of Mason all those players were performing to a high standard under Sherwood along with Ade, What happened with the Miracle coach who could spin sugar from shit? We keep replacing defenders yet the results are the same no matter who is back there, Poorly organised with no bollocks.

Poch has his man in charge of scouting if we are to believe the papers yet the players we have got in still look scared and clueless and the ones that remain from last year still cannot seem to understand their roles within the system.

I wonder if Poch is still here next season how many of this years crop will be leaving

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Need to let him have more than 1 season and a couple of games to get his point across. .

12 months ago people said he had to have "probably 6 full months before we could form any opinion".
Now, a year later, twice that time is still not enough?

improved a number of the players at his disposal:

Kane
Mason
Bentaleb
Rose
Eriksen
Chadli

Didn't improve Kane I think (in fact he probably sidelined Kane for too long at the start of the season).
Did Improve Mason (basically by omitting all other more senior CMs from the squad, so that was costly).
Didn't improve Bentaleb I think.
Did improve Rose.
Didn't improve Eriksen I think.
Did improve Chadli (all though Chadli himself took his own steps to becoming a better player).

 

[yido_number1]

"With the exception of Mason all those players were performing to a high standard under Sherwood along with Ade, What happened with the Miracle coach who could spin sugar from shit? We keep replacing defenders yet the results are the same no matter who is back there, Poorly organised with no bollocks."

People have opinions that is the beauty of this site. To say that Pochetino didn't improve Bentaleb and Kane is something I will struggle to accept.

With the exception of King and Mabbut we have had a terrible defence for as long as I have been a spurs fan. (getting on for 28 years). Our current crop aren't that bad but our desire for attacking football (Rightly so) means we are always prone to errors at the back.

We had a manager that sacrificed some of the flair for organisation and we achieved a record points total a lot of 1-0 wins. He was deemed not good enough and shipped out.

 

[balalasaurus]

Top teams will always be more attractive but that doesn't make us any less attractive to managers and coaches who are looking for a club when the top clubs already have those positions filled

Managers look at the club and the job, the only consideration of previous sacked managers is trying to use it to get an extra year on their contract to pad out their pay off if the same happens

If that's the case then why take the job to begin with? Operating under that premise implies that they believe that the likelihood of them being jobless in the near future is high which further implies that we're seen as nothing as more than a cash cow for managers. As far as top managers are concerned, they want to win, not just be paid well. If paying well is all we have to offer, then how can we expect to attract winners?

 

[Spurger King]

We had a manager that sacrificed some of the flair for organisation and we achieved a record points total a lot of 1-0 wins. He was deemed not good enough and shipped out.

The last sentence isn't strictly true. We were going games without looking remotely capable of scoring, the football was unbelievably dull, AVB seemed to be falling out with players throughout the squad, and we were on the receiving end of a series of severe thrashings. The players looked lost, AVB looked like a rabbit in the headlights, and the fans had turned against him.

And on top of all that we don't conclusively know that he was sacked. The official line was 'mutual consent' when we've never been shy to state that a manager's contract has has been terminated. After the Liverpool hammering, AVB went on quite a rant about he didn't want half the signings, and hadn't been properly supported. I think he'd had enough of the club, and the feeling was mutual.

I suspect Pochettino was given a more realistic explanation of what to expect in terms of financial backing (hence the emphasis on developing young players), and his willingness to agree to that was probably a decisive factor in him getting the job. I don't see that as a bad thing, but Pochettino will be the scapegoat if we're left with glaring holes in the team that he's in no position to resolve.

 

[mpickard2087]

The last sentence isn't strictly true. We were going games without looking remotely capable of scoring, the football was unbelievably dull, AVB seemed to be falling out with players throughout the squad, and we were on the receiving end of a series of severe thrashings. The players looked lost, AVB looked like a rabbit in the headlights, and the fans had turned against him.

And on top of all that we don't conclusively know that he was sacked. The official line was 'mutual consent' when we've never been shy to state that a manager's contract has has been terminated. After the Liverpool hammering, AVB went on quite a rant about he didn't want half the signings, and hadn't been properly supported. I think he'd had enough of the club, and the feeling was mutual.

I suspect Pochettino was given a more realistic explanation of what to expect in terms of financial backing (hence the emphasis on developing young players), and his willingness to agree to that was probably a decisive factor in him getting the job. I don't see that as a bad thing, but Pochettino will be the scapegoat if we're left with glaring holes in the team that he's in no position to resolve.

All this, plus during the second half of that Liverpool game I remember him looking an absolutely broken and totally fed up man whenever the camera panned to him. Never seen a manager like that. He'd had enough, it wasn't working out how he imagined, he couldn't get the team playing better football, he felt he hadn't been backed even if his targets were on the whole wildly overambitious. So he threw in the towel.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

People have opinions that is the beauty of this site. To say that Pochetino didn't improve Bentaleb and Kane is something I will struggle to accept.

I strongly doubt that Pochettino achieved anything of substance in terms of Kane's career, save having to start him when all other options had failed. However, with some doubt, I will assume that you may be correct and I shan't shut the door on the possibility completely.
When it comes to Bentaleb, Pochettin brought nothing what so ever.

 

[Spurger King]

All this, plus during the second half of that Liverpool game I remember him looking an absolutely broken and totally fed up man whenever the camera panned to him. Never seen a manager like that. He'd had enough, it wasn't working out how he imagined, he couldn't get the team playing better football, he felt he hadn't been backed even if his targets were on the whole wildly overambitious. So he threw in the towel.

 

[mpickard2087]

Ha! It got worse than that, I swear at one point he was in tears.

Ahh the memories...

 

[Spurger King]

Ha! It got worse than that, I swear at one point he was in tears.

Ahh the memories...

I think I know the image you mean (couldn't find it unfortunately). It was after the 4th or 5th goal and he was sat on the bench looking utterly shell-shocked and mortified. Actually felt sorry for him for a bit.

 

[Jimmyjimmyo]

"With the exception of Mason all those players were performing to a high standard under Sherwood along with Ade, What happened with the Miracle coach who could spin sugar from shit? We keep replacing defenders yet the results are the same no matter who is back there, Poorly organised with no bollocks."

People have opinions that is the beauty of this site. To say that Pochetino didn't improve Bentaleb and Kane is something I will struggle to accept.

With the exception of King and Mabbut we have had a terrible defence for as long as I have been a spurs fan. (getting on for 28 years). Our current crop aren't that bad but our desire for attacking football (Rightly so) means we are always prone to errors at the back.

We had a manager that sacrificed some of the flair for organisation and we achieved a record points total a lot of 1-0 wins. He was deemed not good enough and shipped out.

We don't play attacking football, we play sideways football punctuated by someone smacking in a longshot or getting on a rebound, we rarely cut a team open with a decent throughball or put a telling cross into the box. We are prone to errors at the back because our players are not drilled properly and as soon as they sign for us they seem to become idiots overnight.

Maybe the new training ground has made them soft? who knows but something is not right when international defenders look sunday league week after week

Every other team in the league can play slick passing football we just don't seem to be able to coach our guys to be brave and show some nous from the back to the front

 

[yido_number1]

If you asked Pochetino what he thought of Levy selling Bale and Modric this would probably have been his answer. I'm actually a Levy fan and both wanted to go so what can you do. For AVB that must of been hard to take.

 

[spursfan77]

We've started the season with one striker and you guys lay into the Manager.

It's ridiculous.

He agreed to sell soldado and ostracised Adebayor.

Again, it's not just this season people are annoyed with!!!

 

[Khilari]

Ha! It got worse than that, I swear at one point he was in tears.

Ahh the memories...

I really did not enjoy our football under AVB - but felt bad for him. He just didn't have the personnel for the sort of football he thought he could get us playing. And (I am a fairly strong pro-Levy advocate) I do think he was not backed by Levy in terms of the specific players he wanted. There just is no point in a manager saying I want this player and being given some alternative who the 'transfer board' feel is an adequate alternative.

Saying that, I think AVB's sort of players would have cost an arm and a leg.
Saying that... perhaps he was told he would get that kind of support from the board in terms of personnel when he took on the job.

I really believe AVB genuinely thought he would be supported in a long-term project to "bring titles back to Tottenham", as pie in the sky as it sounds now.

With Pochettino, I think he's more realistic and appreciates what I think is a more patient, longer term lower-spending approach to improving us. It just has to be accepted that with our income, we cannot compete financially with the the 5 teams around us and until that changes it will be hard to attract star players to WHL. I hope we as a fan base get that.

 

[Khilari]

He agreed to sell soldado and ostracised Adebayor.

Again, it's not just this season people are annoyed with!!!

He 'agreed' to sell Soldado I'm sure on the promise he will be replaced. It's quite clear he's incredibly frustrated with the situation - you only need to listen to his post-match conferences. He is at the same time trying to stay professional, not piss off his boss and keep his job.
And there's clearly more going on behind the scenes with Adebayor given three separate clubs have had issues with him and two separate Tottenham managers have too.

 

[RuskyM]

Stalin did something similar.

this is my favourite post

 

[RuskyM]

i know a lot of you dislike avb but remember he lost van der vaart & modric and had them replaced by dembele and dempsey. i'm surprised he didn't go postal

 

[beats1]

i know a lot of you dislike avb but remember he lost van der vaart & modric and had them replaced by dembele and dempsey. i'm surprised he didn't go postal

He didn't lose VDV, VDV left after a bad start with AVB

 

[eddiebailey]

I really did not enjoy our football under AVB - but felt bad for him. He just didn't have the personnel for the sort of football he thought he could get us playing. And (I am a fairly strong pro-Levy advocate) I do think he was not backed by Levy in terms of the specific players he wanted. There just is no point in a manager saying I want this player and being given some alternative who the 'transfer board' feel is an adequate alternative.

Saying that, I think AVB's sort of players would have cost an arm and a leg.

In another thread I saw a Leicester fan saying that Spurs were trying to play like Barcelona with (and I paraphrase) a bunch of bog ordinary players. And that is kind of the nub of the problem, the brand of football to which AVB and Poch are wedded to can be effective AND entertaining IF you have the best footballers in the league. In the Premiership on our budget that is not going to happen. But I do believe that within our resources we could adopt another style of play that would achieve results just as good as we have had under these two without boring our arses off.

 

[eddiebailey]

And there's clearly more going on behind the scenes with Adebayor given three separate clubs have had issues with him and two separate Tottenham managers have too.

Though in fairness two haven't.